• Re: Key difference between math and the philosophy of math

    From olcott@polcott333@gmail.com to sci.math,sci.logic,comp.theory,sci.lang,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Jan 2 17:17:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 1/2/2026 4:30 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    olcott wrote:
    The philosophy of math says maybe we have
    been thinking about this stuff all wrong.

    Says who, you?

    Mathematics is an exact structural _science_; hence "*sci*.math".

    Math says of course we haven't been thinking
    about this stuff all wrong everyone knows
    that math is infallible.

    /Ex nonsenso quodlibet./

    Why do you write about things that you know nothing about?


    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    is fully computable entirely on the basis of finite
    string manipulation rules applied to finite strings.

    In the philosophy of mathematics, formalism is the
    view that holds that statements of mathematics
    and logic can be considered to be statements about
    the consequences of the manipulation of strings
    (alphanumeric sequences of symbols, usually as
    equations) using established manipulation rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formalism_(philosophy_of_mathematics)
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott<br><br>

    My 28 year goal has been to make <br>
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"<br>
    reliably computable.<br><br>

    This required establishing a new foundation<br>
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  • From Richard Damon@Richard@Damon-Family.org to sci.math,sci.logic,comp.theory,sci.lang,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Jan 2 18:41:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    On 1/2/26 6:17 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 1/2/2026 4:30 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    olcott wrote:
    The philosophy of math says maybe we have
    been thinking about this stuff all wrong.

    Says who, you?

    Mathematics is an exact structural _science_; hence "*sci*.math".

    Math says of course we haven't been thinking
    about this stuff all wrong everyone knows
    that math is infallible.

    /Ex nonsenso quodlibet./

    Why do you write about things that you know nothing about?


    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    is fully computable entirely on the basis of finite
    string manipulation rules applied to finite strings.

    But it isn't.


    In the philosophy of mathematics, formalism is the
    view that holds that statements of mathematics
    and logic can be considered to be statements about
    the consequences of the manipulation of strings
    (alphanumeric sequences of symbols, usually as
    equations) using established manipulation rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formalism_(philosophy_of_mathematics)


    Yes, but doesn't say they are computable.

    Your problem is you just fail to actually learn enough of what you talk
    about.
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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.math,sci.logic,comp.theory,sci.lang,comp.ai.philosophy on Sat Jan 3 22:20:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.lang

    olcott wrote:
    On 1/2/2026 4:30 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    olcott wrote:
    The philosophy of math says maybe we have
    been thinking about this stuff all wrong.

    Says who, you?

    Mathematics is an exact structural _science_; hence "*sci*.math".

    Math says of course we haven't been thinking
    about this stuff all wrong everyone knows
    that math is infallible.

    /Ex nonsenso quodlibet./

    Why do you write about things that you know nothing about?

    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    is fully computable entirely on the basis of finite
    string manipulation rules applied to finite strings.

    Pseudoscientific word salad.

    Again: Why do you write about things that you know nothing about?

    In the philosophy of mathematics, formalism is the
    view that holds that statements of mathematics
    and logic can be considered to be statements about
    the consequences of the manipulation of strings
    (alphanumeric sequences of symbols, usually as
    equations) using established manipulation rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formalism_(philosophy_of_mathematics)

    That does not confirm your initial claim.

    Also, it should be noted that "the philosophy of (i.e. *about*) mathematics"
    is apparently a questionable concept to begin with, as one can see by the marker of "multiple issues" if one follows the link in that Wikipedia article.

    You would do well to not continue this mindbogglingly stupid crosspost
    across 5 (!) newsgroups (F'up2 sci.math set), and to post to Usenet using
    your real name.

    But given your record, probably you are just trolling again.
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