• Nagelprobe -- (Latin [ad unguem]) -- Nietzsche's Zarathustra.

    From HenHanna@HenHanna@dev.null to rec.puzzles,sci.lang,alt.language.latin on Wed Jun 11 03:03:47 2025
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    Nagelprobe -- was a Ling. Factoid I learned when I was 19 --- I
    think it was from my teacher (of German 101 class). He may have
    mentioned Nietzsche and Zarathustra.



    From the following 2 links, I get the feeling that...


    0. Nagelprobe may have come from Latin [ad unguem]


    1. Many educated Germans today don't know both meanings -- drinking
    (which is more common?) and [sculptorrCOs practice of running a
    fingernail across...]

    There's a similar process in designing Autos. (done with
    Clay)


    2. Both meanings were probably common by the time of Goethe (1749 --
    1832)




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    I can only find one or two ref's by Google Searching, but
    this 1st one is great. --- and the 2nd one is even better!


    https://www.dw.com/en/nagelprobe/a-6617013
    Nagelprobe rCo DW rCo 09/13/2011

    Nagelprobe
    Learn a funny, quirky German word each week with DW's Word of the Week
    feature. This week: Nagelprobe.


    A "nail test" (Nagelprobe) sounds like it should involve a hammer and
    result in something getting broken. However, nail refers here to the physiological kind, which is German is also called "Nagel."


    It is said that the ever-so-popular expression refers to an old drinking tradition: After a toast, the merrymakers would turn the empty
    glass over onto their thumb. A dry thumbnail was proof that every
    drop had been drunk -- the theoretical goal. A moist thumbnail
    naturally meant try, try again!

    Though you'll rarely see Germans with glasses on their thumbs in pubs
    today, the term "Nagelprobe" is in common use -- frequently in the realm
    of politics -- and refers to a particularly challenging trial.

    As for Bavaria's former Premier Guenther Beckstein (pictured), he'll
    have to drink up if he wants to pass the old-fashioned "Nagelprobe." But considering that he lost his job earlier this year when he party, the
    CSU, failed to get an absolute majority, it seems he couldn't exactly
    pass the contemporary "Nagelprobe."

    --------- Perhaps here there's a confusion (or
    Conflation)
    with the [Fine - Tuning] sense.


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    https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/nietzsches-thus-spoke-zarathustra-before-sunrise-9781472547187-9781847062215-9781441116536.html

    Queue | NietzscherCOs Thus Spoke Zarathustra: Before Sunrise
    9781472547187, 9781847062215, 9781441116536 - DOKUMEN.PUB


    Nietzsche recounts in EC that the first part of
    Zarathustra came to him rCo rCyand above all Zarathustra himself, as a type
    . . overwhelmed me rCO rCo


    .......... Thus Spoke Zarathustra. ............


    When on the same day he writes to his best friend, Franz Overbeck, to
    tell
    him about the new book, he adds: rCyI am now engaged for a couple
    more
    days with the Nagelprobe revisions, a work requiring refined hearing,
    for
    which one cannot be sufficiently alonerCO (324).

    The mix of metaphors is significant:
    Nagelprobe alludes to the Latin ad unguem, which refers to the sculptorrCOs practice of running a fingernail across a surface to test its smoothness rCo and yet Nietzsche is testing the perfection of his language
    by listening to it.19
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@naddy@mips.inka.de to sci.lang on Wed Jun 11 18:05:02 2025
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    On 2025-06-11, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

    1. Many educated Germans today don't know both meanings -- drinking
    (which is more common?) and [sculptorrCOs practice of running a
    fingernail across...]

    Oddly enough, neither feels familiar to me. My association was
    mineralogy or such, a check to see if a material is soft enough
    that it can be scratched by fingernail.
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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  • From Aidan Kehoe@kehoea@parhasard.net to sci.lang on Wed Jun 11 21:00:19 2025
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    Ar an t-aon|| l|i d|-ag de m|! Meitheamh, scr|!obh Christian Weisgerber:

    On 2025-06-11, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

    1. Many educated Germans today don't know both meanings -- drinking (which is more common?) and [sculptorrCOs practice of running a fingernail across...]

    Oddly enough, neither feels familiar to me. My association was
    mineralogy or such, a check to see if a material is soft enough
    that it can be scratched by fingernail.

    I have no knowledge of or interest in mineralogy, but I knew the word rCRNagelprobe.rCL I couldnrCOt have given you a definition of it, I admit.
    --
    rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
    (C. Moore)
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  • From HenHanna@HenHanna@dev.null to sci.lang on Thu Jun 12 17:14:25 2025
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    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 20:00:19 +0000, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an t-aon|| l|i d|-ag de m|! Meitheamh, scr|!obh Christian Weisgerber:

    On 2025-06-11, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

    1. Many educated Germans today don't know both meanings --
    drinking
    (which is more common?) and [sculptorrCOs practice of running a fingernail across...]

    Oddly enough, neither feels familiar to me. My association was
    mineralogy or such, a check to see if a material is soft enough
    that it can be scratched by fingernail.

    I have no knowledge of or interest in mineralogy, but I knew the word rCRNagelprobe.rCL I couldnrCOt have given you a definition of it, I admit.


    Thank you... my AI gave me that 3rd sense, but I wasn't sure if that
    was real.

    I'd say that... Nietzsche's sense [sculptorrCOs practice of running
    a
    fingernail across...] is all but forgotten today.




    https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nagelprobe

    Synonyme: [2] Bew|nhrungsprobe, Feuerprobe, Feuertaufe, Lackmustest
    [Trial by Fire] -- as in The Magic
    Flute


    in Newspaper articles, very much like [Litmus Test] in English.
    but less common.

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    Nagelprobe is a word that's often used about politicians, etc.

    and would not be used for Greta Thunberg , because
    she is seen as a Lightweight by the Media.



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