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    From Tilde@invalide@invalid.invalid to sci.lang,sci.anthropology.paleo on Fri Sep 5 22:36:58 2025
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    https://phys.org/news/2025-09-fast-brains-humans-marmosets.html

    When a baby babbles and their parents respond,
    these back-and-forth exchanges are more than
    adorable-if-incoherent chatterrCothey help to
    build a baby's emerging language skills.

    But it turns out this learning strategy makes
    humans an oddity within the animal kingdom.

    Only a handful of other speciesrCoincluding a
    few songbirds such as cowbirds and zebra
    finchesrColearn to "talk" by noting their
    parents' reactions to their initial coos and
    gurgles.

    How did humans become adept at learning
    language this way? A new study across multiple
    members of the primate family tree suggests the
    answer may lie, in part, in newborn babies'
    fast-growing brains.

    Published August 19 in the journal Proceedings
    of the National Academy of Sciences, the
    findings come from research on a squirrel-size
    monkey called the marmoset.

    In the wild, marmosets use their high-pitched
    calls to stay in touch when they're out of sight
    of one another in the thick, dense forests of
    northeastern Brazil.

    Just over a decade ago, while studying marmoset
    vocalizations, Princeton professor of
    neuroscience and psychology Asif Ghazanfar and
    colleagues noticed that baby marmosets go
    through a babbling phase, just like humans do.

    As newborn marmosets grow, their first
    sputtering cries transform into the more
    whistle-like calls of adults. The researchers
    also found that baby marmosets who received more
    frequent adult feedback during their babbling
    bouts were quicker to catch on. They learned to
    produce adult-like calls significantly faster
    than the controls.
    ...
    In the new study, led by Princeton Ph.D. student
    Renata Biazzi, the researchers collected and
    analyzed previously published data on the brain
    development of four primate species including
    humans, marmosets, chimpanzees and rhesus
    macaques, from conception to adolescence.

    The results suggest that, in early infancy, the
    brains of humans and marmosets are growing faster
    than those of other primates. Importantly, most
    of that growth happens not in the confines of the
    womb, as is the case for chimpanzees and macaques,
    but right around the time they are born and first
    experience the outside world.

    In marmosets, as in humans, this also happens to
    be an incredibly social time, Ghazanfar said.
    That's because marmoset moms, like human mothers,
    don't raise their offspring without help. Babies
    interact with multiple caregivers who respond to
    every cry.
    ...

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@naddy@mips.inka.de to sci.lang,sci.anthropology.paleo on Sat Sep 6 12:23:55 2025
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    On 2025-09-06, Tilde <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2025-09-fast-brains-humans-marmosets.html

    Why does like every pop-sci article have to contain a throwaway
    paragraph that gives me pause:

    Only a handful of other speciesrCoincluding a
    few songbirds such as cowbirds and zebra
    finchesrColearn to "talk" by noting their
    parents' reactions to their initial coos and
    gurgles.

    How does that work for cowbirds? They are brood parasites.
    Also, sampling bias? How many species have been studied in detail?
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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  • From DDeden@user5108@newsgrouper.org.invalid to sci.lang,sci.anthropology.paleo on Mon Sep 29 14:23:35 2025
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    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> posted:

    On 2025-09-06, Tilde <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2025-09-fast-brains-humans-marmosets.html

    Why does like every pop-sci article have to contain a throwaway
    paragraph that gives me pause:

    Only a handful of other speciesrCoincluding a
    few songbirds such as cowbirds and zebra
    finchesrColearn to "talk" by noting their
    parents' reactions to their initial coos and
    gurgles.

    How does that work for cowbirds? They are brood parasites.

    Faster brain growth at birth/hatch, not in womb. Cowbird fetus can hear birth mother through shell, then hears adopted mother after hatching.
    Alloparenting induces or increases initial 2-way speech/song
    Cowbird brood parasitism may produce effect of alloparenting, having two mothers communicating.
    Or not.



    Also, sampling bias? How many species have been studied in detail?

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