• new X-chapters

    From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 21 10:43:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of the
    X-chapters out soon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=books

    It will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'm
    designing a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is still
    analog!



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Martin Rid@martin_riddle@verison.net to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 21 15:25:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs
    --


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  • From Joerg@news@analogconsultants.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 21 14:10:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/21/26 10:43 AM, john larkin wrote:
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of the
    X-chapters out soon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=books

    It will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'm designing a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is still
    analog!


    The world will remain analog. Past a certain clock rate all digital
    becomes analog again but the supply of analog engineers is drying up.
    Which is why I am yanked back out of retirement a lot. The next urgent
    problem is supposed to arrive Monday before 10am. Maybe I get a chance
    to walk the dog before it's here.
    --
    Regards, Joerg

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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  • From ehsjr@ehsjr@verizon.net to sci.electronics.design on Sun Feb 22 10:15:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/21/2026 5:10 PM, Joerg wrote:
    On 2/21/26 10:43 AM, john larkin wrote:
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of the
    X-chapters out soon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=books

    It will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'm
    designing a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is still
    analog!


    The world will remain analog. Past a certain clock rate all digital
    becomes analog again but the supply of analog engineers is drying up.
    Which is why I am yanked back out of retirement a lot.

    Yes. That's why we have to get old enough that they think we're
    too old. Until then they'll keep on yanking.

    The next urgent
    problem is supposed to arrive Monday before 10am.

    My next urgent (OT) problem is due this afternoon:
    blizzard with 14 - 24 inches of that white global
    warming predicted.

    Maybe I get a chance
    to walk the dog before it's here.


    Snowfall keeping me from going to the gym.

    Ed

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 11:00:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 14:39:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid ><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and
    arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe
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  • From Lasse Langwadt@llc@fonz.dk to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 23:23:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/23/26 20:00, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.


    I think Amazon has the Kindle version for ~3-u


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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 14:25:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and
    arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and
    interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at
    City College. They had me autograph them.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From JM@sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 22:42:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>$85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and
    arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and
    interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at
    City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 14:54:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:42:11 +0000, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the >>>>X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>>$85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and
    arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and
    interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at
    City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL


    rofl?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 20:17:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:54:32 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:42:11 +0000, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >>>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the >>>>>X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>>>$85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and >>>>arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and >>>interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at
    City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL


    rofl?

    Roll On the Floor Laughing
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 19:18:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 20:17:01 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:54:32 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:42:11 +0000, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >>>>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the >>>>>>X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>>>>$85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and >>>>>arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and >>>>interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at >>>>City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL


    rofl?

    Roll On the Floor Laughing

    Of course, but I didn't know that people still used that old
    expression.

    What I wonder is what he found amusing.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Mon Feb 23 19:19:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:23:35 +0100, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 20:00, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.


    I think Amazon has the Kindle version for ~3u


    Yeah. Kids don't read books any more.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 17:27:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 24/02/2026 2:18 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 20:17:01 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:54:32 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:42:11 +0000, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>>>>> $85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and
    arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and
    interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at
    City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL


    rofl?

    Roll On the Floor Laughing

    Of course, but I didn't know that people still used that old
    expression.

    What I wonder is what he found amusing.

    You will probably never find out. People wit a better grasp of
    electronics than yours will have less difficulty.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 17:32:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 24/02/2026 2:19 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:23:35 +0100, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 20:00, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around
    $85.


    I think Amazon has the Kindle version for ~3-u


    Yeah. Kids don't read books any more.

    A book that you can read on a Kindle isn't a book any more? I've got the second edition of the Williams and Taylor "Electronic Filter Handbook
    Design Handbook" on my bookshelf and the the third edition on my Kindle
    which I used when travelling. Both work exactly the same way.
    --
    Bill Sloman. Sydney

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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 14:01:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:18:40 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 20:17:01 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:54:32 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:42:11 +0000, JM
    <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:25:58 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:39:18 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:00:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid >>>>>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the >>>>>>>X-chapters.

    Yes.


    AoE has sold over a million copies so far. The current price is around >>>>>>>$85.

    A million copies? That's immense for such a deeply technical and >>>>>>arcane book. Is there a breakdown available? Worldwide?

    Joe

    Google AI says over a million in 8 languages.

    It's not arcane!

    I've probably bought 20 copies of AoE. I give them to employees and >>>>>interns and recently gave away a couple as prizes to an ee class at >>>>>City College. They had me autograph them.

    ROFL


    rofl?

    Roll On the Floor Laughing

    Of course, but I didn't know that people still used that old
    expression.

    What I wonder is what he found amusing.

    Yeah. It's best to not ask.

    Joe
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  • From Joerg@news@analogconsultants.com to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 12:34:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/22/26 7:15 AM, ehsjr wrote:
    On 2/21/2026 5:10 PM, Joerg wrote:

    [...]

    The next urgent problem is supposed to arrive Monday before 10am.

    My next urgent (OT) problem is due this afternoon:
    blizzard-a with 14 - 24 inches of that white global
    warming predicted.


    I want my fair share of this global warming!


    Maybe I get a chance to walk the dog before it's here.


    Snowfall keeping me from going to the gym.


    Shoveling lots of snow replaces the gym :-)

    In my case it's splitting firewood so my gym visit are sparse now.
    --
    Regards, Joerg

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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  • From Joerg@news@analogconsultants.com to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 14:53:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the
    cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the
    ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read.
    --
    Regards, Joerg

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 15:57:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the
    cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the
    ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read.

    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 16:12:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 12:34:00 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/26 7:15 AM, ehsjr wrote:
    On 2/21/2026 5:10 PM, Joerg wrote:

    [...]

    The next urgent problem is supposed to arrive Monday before 10am.

    My next urgent (OT) problem is due this afternoon:
    blizzarda with 14 - 24 inches of that white global
    warming predicted.


    I want my fair share of this global warming!


    Maybe I get a chance to walk the dog before it's here.


    Snowfall keeping me from going to the gym.


    Shoveling lots of snow replaces the gym :-)

    In my case it's splitting firewood so my gym visit are sparse now.

    We just got a new bench for our outdoor deck. This morning we were out
    here in our panties getting our Vitamin D.

    The blue jays and crows harass us, wanting us to feed them Cheetos.

    One of my guys did a JLC proto board. It has edge-launch SMAs. The
    center pin is fat on the cheap connectors, so we have a big pad for
    soldering.

    But that makes a capacitive glitch unless you cut away all the
    interior PCB planes. He didn't.

    I dremeled from the bottom all the way up to remove the layer 3 and 2
    copper pours. Tricky. I was about 3 mils from punching through to the
    other side.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k1fd6i5upfjo7uucq2sx6/X126A_SMAs_Top.jpg?rlkey=871v8n1ng388yz11ibjr1sz2e&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ubqushwcc19xww9hc5azf/X126A_Dremel_SMA.jpg?rlkey=610uod206u93z4x1iysvwp4n7&raw=1

    Since I replaced the copper and the FR4 with air, the transition went
    from very capacitive to slightly inductive.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 19:12:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the
    cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the
    ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read.

    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 01:42:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Am 25.02.26 um 01:12 schrieb john larkin:

    One of my guys did a JLC proto board. It has edge-launch SMAs. The
    center pin is fat on the cheap connectors, so we have a big pad for soldering.

    But that makes a capacitive glitch unless you cut away all the
    interior PCB planes. He didn't.

    I dremeled from the bottom all the way up to remove the layer 3 and 2
    copper pours. Tricky. I was about 3 mils from punching through to the
    other side.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k1fd6i5upfjo7uucq2sx6/X126A_SMAs_Top.jpg?rlkey=871v8n1ng388yz11ibjr1sz2e&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ubqushwcc19xww9hc5azf/X126A_Dremel_SMA.jpg?rlkey=610uod206u93z4x1iysvwp4n7&raw=1

    Since I replaced the copper and the FR4 with air, the transition went
    from very capacitive to slightly inductive.
    Same here.

    Solder-friendly pads:
    < https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/51843174578/in/datetaken/lightbox/
    >

    Z-friendly pads:
    <
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/52973542168/in/datetaken/ >

    result is slightly overcompensated:
    <
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/53780597885/in/datetaken/ >

    the setup:
    < https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/52973631607/in/datetaken/lightbox/
    >


    cheers, Gerhard

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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 20:15:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the
    cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.

    Winfield did licence a special edition sold only in places like India.
    The text is the same, but the book is printed on onionskin paper and glue-bound. I don't know what they cost in India, but it's far less
    than USD 85. Anyway, those 8 languages are probably included in the
    special edition audience.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the
    ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read.

    Yep.

    Joe
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  • From Edward Rawde@invalid@invalid.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 21:04:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message news:7fb54d6b-2e35-c245-dcdc-8aa9109e8e10@electrooptical.net...
    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out
    soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about
    sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland
    Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the
    cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the
    ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read. >>
    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    For some reason I was thinking about this today: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/50s/Wireless-World-1952-10.pdf
    Although it's before I was born there's a circuit on page 404 (pdf page 22) which was
    subsequently used by anyone and everyone who needed one.

    Another example of this might be Tobey Dinsdale audio amplifier.
    Before that, designers would put driver and output transformers in transistor amplifiers,
    even when driving only a single low impedance speaker.
    After that, nearly all transistor audio amplifiers were based on it.


    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com



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  • From JM@sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 02:25:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 21:04:09 -0500, "Edward Rawde"
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message >news:7fb54d6b-2e35-c245-dcdc-8aa9109e8e10@electrooptical.net...
    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out
    soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about
    sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland
    Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the >>>> cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the >>>> ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read. >>>
    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    For some reason I was thinking about this today: >https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/50s/Wireless-World-1952-10.pdf
    Although it's before I was born there's a circuit on page 404 (pdf page 22) which was
    subsequently used by anyone and everyone who needed one.

    Another example of this might be Tobey Dinsdale audio amplifier.
    Before that, designers would put driver and output transformers in transistor amplifiers,
    even when driving only a single low impedance speaker.
    After that, nearly all transistor audio amplifiers were based on it.

    You've probably seen the text below.

    Full text of a letter published Hi Fi News October 1996 pgs 129 and
    131

    THE TOBEY-DINSDALE AMPLIFIER
    (B. 1961)

    Dear Sir,

    In 1959 Dick Tobey and I were working with the Guided Weapons division
    of Elliott Brothers (London) Ltd at Borehamwood (which later became
    part of GEC-Marconi), developing circuitry for inertial navigation
    systems using discrete germanium transistors (this was pre-silicon and pre-ICs). Searching one day for a 10W wideband power amplifier
    circuit, we came across an article by Lin [1] in Electronics which
    described the now well-known 'quasi-complementary' output
    configuration. Since germanium npn power transistors were
    unobtainable, we took Lin's basic idea and developed a practical
    circuit using two pnp output transistors with complementary drivers.

    Like many young engineers at that time, we were both very keen on
    hi-fi. In the late 1950s, all top-end amplifiers used valves; some
    designs for transistor power amplifiers had been published, but these
    all required output transformers, sometimes inter-stage transformers
    as well, and the inevitable phase shifts prevented the application of sufficient feedback to compensate for nonlinearities and other
    distortion products inherent in transistor circuits of the day. There
    were a number of good power amplifiers on the market, but the
    long-established leaders were generally held to be the Leak 'Point
    One' and the Acoustical 'Quad 22'. I recall that my own equipment
    consisted then of a Garrard 301 turntable, SME 3009 arm, Decca ffss Mk
    I pickup, Williamson amplifiers built by myself five years before
    while still at school and Goodmans dual-concentric loudspeakers
    mounted on large sand-filled 'infinite baffles'.

    Our new transformerless amplifier wasn't in the same league as Leak
    and Quad; it had a flat frequency response from about 20 Hz to 20 kHz
    (referred to then as c/s), distortion less than 0.3 % and signal/noise
    ratio better than 80 dB. But also y joy of joys y it had negligible
    phase shift throughout and beyond the audible frequency range because
    it had no transformers. Substituting the prototype into either of our
    hi-fi systems provided a sound quality which was certainly comparable
    with that of up-market valve amplifiers and very much better than any
    of the transistor amplifiers then available. We then developed a
    simple 2-stage stereo pre-amplifier with all the usual facilities, and
    again, the overall performance seemed as good as anything we had
    heard.

    We decided to write up our designs for publication, choosing the
    journal Wireless World both for its reputation and for its generous
    rates of payment. This last point was doubly relevant for us because
    in return for appropriate acknowledgement, Elliott Brothers generously
    paid authors of papers in professional journals a bonus to match the publisher's fee. We also decided, before publication, to apply for
    provisional patent cover on one aspect of the pre-amplifier: by
    applying the low-pass filter around the same stage as the
    Baxandall-type tone controls, the filter slope was modified by the
    tone controls, increasing with treble boost and thus reducing the
    tendency for treble boost to increase background hiss.

    I also thought at the time that we should have filed a further
    specification covering our use of a germanium diode between the bases
    of the complementary driver transistors to control the quiescent
    current in the output stage; by mounting this diode on the same heat
    sink as the output transistors, the thermal characteristic of the
    diode automatically lowered the quiescent current if the heat sink got
    too hot, thus reducing the chance of thermal runaway. Elliott Brothers
    not only encouraged staff to publish; they also allowed staff free use
    of the company's patent agent to help draft specifications. And so,
    with free professional help we filed our patent application. This
    point is relevant to what happened later.

    Our articles describing the transformerless audio power amplifier and
    the stereo pre- amplifier were published by Wireless World in November
    and December 1961 [2],[3], and as expected they caused quite a stir.
    We received 64 letters from readers, the majority requiring either
    information on suppliers of the npn transistor or a free fault-finding
    service, and we were also approached by Henry's Radio off Edgware
    Road, the doyen of electronic hobby kit and component suppliers,
    asking us to check and approve their home construction kit which
    became known as the 'Tobey-DinsdaIe Amplifier'. We negotiated with
    Sylvania Thorn to make available to hobbyists a cheap npn transistor,
    the SYLI 750, equivalent to the mil. spec. 2N388A we had used in the
    prototype, which was after all a strictly for a defence application.
    Years later, I learned [4] that Thorn sold 484,000 of these
    transistors, either in ones and twos to hobbyists or in larger
    quantities to companies for making up into kits. I also learned that
    our circuit had made redundant many suppliers of output transformers,
    among them one Max Townshend who had been augmenting his grant as a
    student in Australia by winding transformers after lectures. I met Max
    in the late 1970s and we became firm friends in spite of my earlier
    attempt to cripple his education prospects.

    One day, we received a phone call from Harold J Leak inviting us to
    visit his South London plant to demonstrate our amplifier. On the
    appointed evening we drove there in Tobey's Mini-cooper (remember
    them?) to be received by a very affable HJL in person. Most of his
    employees had finished work for the day, but we met a few senior staff
    who had stayed on specially for us. After a conducted tour of the
    factory we were treated to a gourmet dinner, and I recall being
    impressed by the sound of the company's new 'sandwich' loudspeakers.
    While HJL was out of the room we inspected the equipment more closely
    and discovered that each channel was driven by four of his valve
    amplifiers, which said something about the efficiency of the
    loudspeakers.

    Before we left, HJL complimented us both on our achievement and said
    that his company's transistor amplifier was under development. He was
    also most insistent that we left the prototype with him 'for a few
    days' so that he could carry out some measurements. We emphasised that
    the cases were not to be opened up, pointing out that we had taken the precaution of sealing all the screws with the official 'tamper-proof'
    red lacquer used at Elliott Brothers by MoD inspectors. HJL assured us
    that the cases would remain unsullied, and we returned home well after
    midnight basking in the glow of a memorable evening.

    Two weeks later the prototype amplifier had still not been returned,
    and it took several phone calls to the company before it reappeared
    with all of the screws loosened, some missing. Our complaint to HJL
    was dismissed with a vague apology that his staff 'hadn't followed instructions'. Some time later I read in the audio press that Leak
    were planning to launch a transistor hi-fi amplifier at the
    forthcoming Audio Fair, to be held in the Russell Hotel. One evening I
    received a phone call at home from a dealer I knew.

    'Have you seen Leak's new Stereo 30 amplifier?'

    'No, not yet y I'm hoping to hear it at the Audio Fair.'

    'It's almost exactly your design - resistor values, everything! The
    transistors have funny numbers, but they'll be cheap equivalents.'

    'How do you know all this?' 'I'm going to stock them in the shop, and
    they've sent me the servicing booklet. I'll make you a photocopy. '

    The copy duly arrived, and it was indeed almost identical to the
    Tobey-Dinsdale circuit. Now this was naughty. We realised that once
    the circuit had been published anyone could use it, but we didn't see
    why Leak should make money at our expense, especially after looking
    inside without our agreement. And he clearly didn't know about the
    patent application!

    My friends at Wireless World were only too happy to send me a Press
    pass for the Audio Fair, and I crept into the back of a very crowded
    Leak room to hear HJL in full flow describing and demonstrating the
    Stereo 30. After the demo. I joined the enthusiastic crowd around HJL
    and when I could get a word in I started to complain that he was using
    our design without acknowledgement. HJL didn't want to listen, until I
    added: 'I suppose you know that the circuit is patented'. Immediately,
    his attitude changed. Disentangling himself from the crowd of dealers
    and reviewers he led me into a side room.

    'I'm going to tell you a true story', he said. 'When I was about your
    age, I was interested in condenser microphones. I did some development
    work and came up with what I thought was a new idea. I wanted to find
    out whether my idea was original, so I spent several afternoons at the
    Patents Office library in Chancery Lane investigating patents on
    condenser microphones. One day, a man approached me and asked what I
    was doing, and I said that I had an idea for a new type of microphone.
    The man then said "I am from Westinghouse, and we are currently the
    principal world supplier of condenser microphones. If you do anything
    to rock our boat, we will break you financially; we have far more
    money than you".'

    HJL then looked me straight in the eye and added 'I have far more
    money than you, and if you rock my boat I will destroy you.'

    I was totally devastated by this outburst, and left the room in
    confusion. Later on, Tobey and I decided that there was probably
    little we could do without spending quite a lot of time and money, and
    risking much more, so sadly we dropped the matter. With hindsight, I
    realise that I should have replied to HJL, with some degree of truth,

    'But Mr Leak, the amplifier patent was prepared by Elliott Brothers,
    and I fancy that they probably have more money even than you!'

    But one only thinks of these things later.

    Wireless World published updated circuits in January and February 1965
    [5], including working drawings (prepared by myself) showing printed
    circuits, metal cases and wiring details, which brought me a further
    postbag of 90 readers' letters. I was disappointed when amplifiers
    based on the design were marketed (without acknowledgement) by
    Goodmans and Truvox, but heartened when the US company Daystrom,
    famous for its range of 'Heathkits', paid me to check and approve
    their professional kit based on my circuit.

    I have already explained that the amplifier was originally designed
    for the defence industry, and it performed as well for the military as
    for the hi-fi community. The most memorable mid 1960s, when it was
    used to control the early experiments with the VTOL engine, which
    resulted in the Harrier jump-jet aircraft.

    There were a number of amusing incidents. On one occasion, the
    Government Chief Scientist paid an official visit to Elliott Brothers.
    After the usual tour of the plant he demanded to speak with myself.
    The company directors had no idea what this was all about, but I was
    hurriedly summoned from my development bench and told to clean myself
    up. I arrived at the directors' conference room to find that this
    illustrious visitor was building my circuit in his spare time and
    needed some advice! We continued to correspond and, needless to say,
    he was delighted with his amplifier. Many engineers in industry used
    their companies' facilities unofficially to manufacture my amplifiers.
    In one such company y a household name y a small error on their
    version of the printed circuit resulted in several hundred output
    transistors being written off. Rather than throw the corpses away,
    they were linked together to make a 'Dinsdale belt', which was
    presented to me when I visited the area to speak at a meeting of the
    IEE.

    In conclusion, it can fairly be said 35 years after its inception that
    the performance of the Tobey- Dinsdale amplifier, while representing a break-through at the time, was no match for the excellent circuit
    designs which were to follow. Nevertheless, this early work is
    significant because not only did it draw attention to Lin's important
    but largely unrecognised work of five years before, but it also
    demonstrated to a public, largely disenchanted with the poor
    performance of contemporary transistor amplifiers using output
    transformers, that sound quality approaching that from valve
    amplifiers was possible from these devices. Hence this work stimulated
    a serious reappraisal of the merits of transistors in high quality
    audio applications, and also paved the way for subsequent work by
    Bailey, Linsley Hood, Self and many more. Today, 35 years later, I
    occasionally meet someone who proudly tells me that they used to own a Tobey-Dinsdale amplifier.

    Some even claim that it still works, although I suspect that the
    electrolytics will be rather dry by now.

    Jack Dinsdale, Dundee

    1. Lin, HC: Quasi-Complementary Transistor Amplifier, Electronics,
    Sept. 1956

    2. Tobey, R and Dinsdale, J: Transistor Audio Amplifier, Wireless
    World, Now. 1961

    3. Tobey, R and Dinsdale, J: High Fidelity Pre-amplifier, Wireless
    World, Dec. 1961

    4. Dinsdale, J: A Design in Retrospect, Wireless World, Nov. 1969

    5. Dinsciale, J: Transistor High Quality Audio Amplifier, Wireless
    World, Jan/Feb. 1965







    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com


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  • From Edward Rawde@invalid@invalid.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 22:28:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d7nspkdm7cc4t7u5shd91qcnib0pfgia9d@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 21:04:09 -0500, "Edward Rawde"
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message >>news:7fb54d6b-2e35-c245-dcdc-8aa9109e8e10@electrooptical.net...
    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >>>> wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out
    soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about
    sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland
    Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the >>>>> cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the >>>>> ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read. >>>>
    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    For some reason I was thinking about this today: >>https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/50s/Wireless-World-1952-10.pdf
    Although it's before I was born there's a circuit on page 404 (pdf page 22) which was
    subsequently used by anyone and everyone who needed one.

    Another example of this might be Tobey Dinsdale audio amplifier.
    Before that, designers would put driver and output transformers in transistor amplifiers,
    even when driving only a single low impedance speaker.
    After that, nearly all transistor audio amplifiers were based on it.

    You've probably seen the text below.


    Wow. I hadn't seen and wasn't aware of most of that.
    Thanks for posting it.


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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Tue Feb 24 19:44:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 01:42:11 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 25.02.26 um 01:12 schrieb john larkin:

    One of my guys did a JLC proto board. It has edge-launch SMAs. The
    center pin is fat on the cheap connectors, so we have a big pad for
    soldering.

    But that makes a capacitive glitch unless you cut away all the
    interior PCB planes. He didn't.

    I dremeled from the bottom all the way up to remove the layer 3 and 2
    copper pours. Tricky. I was about 3 mils from punching through to the
    other side.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/k1fd6i5upfjo7uucq2sx6/X126A_SMAs_Top.jpg?rlkey=871v8n1ng388yz11ibjr1sz2e&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ubqushwcc19xww9hc5azf/X126A_Dremel_SMA.jpg?rlkey=610uod206u93z4x1iysvwp4n7&raw=1

    Since I replaced the copper and the FR4 with air, the transition went
    from very capacitive to slightly inductive.
    Same here.

    Solder-friendly pads:
    < >https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/51843174578/in/datetaken/lightbox/
    >

    Z-friendly pads:
    <
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/52973542168/in/datetaken/ >

    result is slightly overcompensated:
    <
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/53780597885/in/datetaken/ >

    the setup:
    < >https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/52973631607/in/datetaken/lightbox/
    >


    cheers, Gerhard


    You are using fancier connectors with tiny center pins. I'm using the
    really cheap, under $2, ones with giant round center pins. An e/m sim
    says that the pin alone, not on a board, is about 100 ohms.

    Why do people make such a big deal over right-angle trace bends? I've
    never seen one on my 30 ps TDR.

    I cut away all the planes under the connector center pin and pave over
    the bottom side with copper. That just about works.

    Most of the JLCPCB 4 and 6-layer stacks have absurdly thin L1-L2
    dielectrics. A couple have double prepreg, thicker dielectric, so let
    you make fatter traces, like 20 mils for 50 ohms. Less loss.

    Most cheap boards have grungy copper, etched or something for
    adhesion, so have gobs of skin loss. Peel up a trace. It's disgusting.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 06:52:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier: https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    Had (have?) this one, free online too anyways:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_the_Z80

    And some financial books, this one for example:
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/369708.The_Alchemy_of_Finance


    Best electronic book, where I really leared ALL about radio as kid was,
    Dutch version:
    https://archive.org/details/zoo-werkt-de-radio_1939
    He, Eugene Aisberg did one on TV and one on transistors too later,
    have read them all.
    https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/eugene-aisberg/

    There was an other book wehre I learned all about the US color TV system that
    I once borrowed from somebody, forgot the name of that book.
    There were several German magazines I did read too, Funkshau for example,

    Maybe I shoot ! write my own Fart of Electronics
    Annie Wees I have my website.
    panteltje.nl

    And ARRL handbook is a must too:
    https://home.arrl.org/action/Shop/Store
    https://www.arrl.org/

    For the rest it is all simple, including grafity and spades and really triffity

    Do not read Albert KeinStein, it does explan nothing.



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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 08:46:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 25/02/2026 03:28, Edward Rawde wrote:
    "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d7nspkdm7cc4t7u5shd91qcnib0pfgia9d@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 21:04:09 -0500, "Edward Rawde"
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
    news:7fb54d6b-2e35-c245-dcdc-8aa9109e8e10@electrooptical.net...
    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out
    soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about
    sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland
    Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the >>>>>> cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the >>>>>> ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read.

    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar >>>>> project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    For some reason I was thinking about this today:
    https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/50s/Wireless-World-1952-10.pdf
    Although it's before I was born there's a circuit on page 404 (pdf page 22) which was
    subsequently used by anyone and everyone who needed one.

    Another example of this might be Tobey Dinsdale audio amplifier.
    Before that, designers would put driver and output transformers in transistor amplifiers,
    even when driving only a single low impedance speaker.
    After that, nearly all transistor audio amplifiers were based on it.

    You've probably seen the text below.


    Wow. I hadn't seen and wasn't aware of most of that.
    Thanks for posting it.


    Yes, fascinating!

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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 09:39:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com>quoted:

    [...]
    HJL then looked me straight in the eye and added 'I have far more
    money than you, and if you rock my boat I will destroy you.'

    That wasn't the first time he employed similar tactics, he was a very unpleasant character.

    His version of their circuit had the wiring to the
    temperature-compensation diodes going through connections on the board
    edge that were separate from the base connections of the power
    transistors. Any corrosion or poor connection resulted in the output
    stage running away and destroying itself. The desigh of those
    amplifiers was dreadful and they used cheap components.

    The Leak 'sandwich' loudspeaker was a rip-off from BBC research.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 11:28:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Am 25.02.26 um 04:44 schrieb john larkin:

    You are using fancier connectors with tiny center pins. I'm using the
    really cheap, under $2, ones with giant round center pins. An e/m sim
    says that the pin alone, not on a board, is about 100 ohms.

    One can see the influence of the SMA center connector on the picture
    of the solder-friendly board on the unpopulated side. The dip is by
    far not as severe.

    Why do people make such a big deal over right-angle trace bends? I've
    never seen one on my 30 ps TDR.

    I wanted to make sure that I don't ask for trouble if I meander
    from a ball grid array.

    I cut away all the planes under the connector center pin and pave over
    the bottom side with copper. That just about works.

    ... but have enough gnd vias around. *ON* the board it's layer L2 that
    counts for GND.

    Most of the JLCPCB 4 and 6-layer stacks have absurdly thin L1-L2 dielectrics. A couple have double prepreg, thicker dielectric, so let
    you make fatter traces, like 20 mils for 50 ohms. Less loss.

    For a NMR project on 8 GHz, I had a mixed Rogers TMM-6 & FR4 board.
    Not from JLCPCB but the customer's favourite shop around the corner.

    The strip lines ended up on the FR-4 side, power supply on TMM_6.
    Yes, we *had* talked about the stackup. It's clearly the best not to
    expect people thinking or to deviate from their daily routine.

    BTW, TMM-6 is a brittle, ugly material which feels much like an
    eraser gum. I would not use it alone without FR4 for mechanical reasons.


    We used to build oil/gaz pipeline pigs. FR4 may soak up hydrocarbons
    and swell. That may crack the vias open. So we went to boards made
    from Kapton.

    Be alarmed when the factory offers short production times. Kapton
    prepregs have a shelf live of only a few weeks. They may be tempted
    sell you prepregs that are left over from a project half a year ago.
    Your boards will de-laminate after two weeks in the field.
    Been there, seen that, with luxury top notch FPGAs that cost 1000s. :-(


    cheers, Gerhard

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 03:57:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 11:28:41 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 25.02.26 um 04:44 schrieb john larkin:

    You are using fancier connectors with tiny center pins. I'm using the
    really cheap, under $2, ones with giant round center pins. An e/m sim
    says that the pin alone, not on a board, is about 100 ohms.

    One can see the influence of the SMA center connector on the picture
    of the solder-friendly board on the unpopulated side. The dip is by
    far not as severe.

    Why do people make such a big deal over right-angle trace bends? I've
    never seen one on my 30 ps TDR.

    I wanted to make sure that I don't ask for trouble if I meander
    from a ball grid array.

    I cut away all the planes under the connector center pin and pave over
    the bottom side with copper. That just about works.

    ... but have enough gnd vias around. *ON* the board it's layer L2 that
    counts for GND.

    Most of the JLCPCB 4 and 6-layer stacks have absurdly thin L1-L2
    dielectrics. A couple have double prepreg, thicker dielectric, so let
    you make fatter traces, like 20 mils for 50 ohms. Less loss.

    For a NMR project on 8 GHz, I had a mixed Rogers TMM-6 & FR4 board.
    Not from JLCPCB but the customer's favourite shop around the corner.

    The strip lines ended up on the FR-4 side, power supply on TMM_6.
    Yes, we *had* talked about the stackup. It's clearly the best not to
    expect people thinking or to deviate from their daily routine.

    BTW, TMM-6 is a brittle, ugly material which feels much like an
    eraser gum. I would not use it alone without FR4 for mechanical reasons.


    We used to build oil/gaz pipeline pigs. FR4 may soak up hydrocarbons
    and swell. That may crack the vias open. So we went to boards made
    from Kapton.

    Be alarmed when the factory offers short production times. Kapton
    prepregs have a shelf live of only a few weeks. They may be tempted
    sell you prepregs that are left over from a project half a year ago.
    Your boards will de-laminate after two weeks in the field.
    Been there, seen that, with luxury top notch FPGAs that cost 1000s. :-(


    cheers, Gerhard

    Here's a board, composite FR4 and one of those gooey Rogers laminates.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v3gwktrpy51089e9px7lo/MOV02429.MPG?rlkey=hr4m4dakdltgx4wtfw2s78jli&dl=0



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 04:15:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 21:04:09 -0500, "Edward Rawde"
    <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message >news:7fb54d6b-2e35-c245-dcdc-8aa9109e8e10@electrooptical.net...
    On 2026-02-24 18:57, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 14:53:34 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/26 11:00 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:25:51 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
    <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    H&H are still publishing. There will be a new edition of theX-chapters out
    soon.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-x-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1009632884?s=booksIt will have a lot of stuff about
    sensors, which is cool because I'mdesigning a lot of sensor simulators lately. The world is stillanalog!John LarkinHighland
    Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Will that make it the third edition?

    Cherrs

    AoE is at rev 3. I think this will be the 2nd edition of the
    X-chapters.

    AoE has sold over a million copies so far.


    Probably not counting all the counterfeit copies in countries where the >>>> cost of the book would amount to a month's wages.


    ... The current price is around $85.


    And worth every penny. Thousands of dollars in tuition at some
    university won't even come close to what those $85 can do.

    Back when I grew up there was no AoE. My main teaching material was the >>>> ARRL Handbook. For anyone wanting to design RF stuff that is a must-read. >>>
    Popular Electronics mag was good too.

    I had access to the Radiation Lab Series of books from the WWII radar
    project at MIT. That was great.

    I have the full set at home now.

    My fave was Wireless World.

    For some reason I was thinking about this today: >https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/50s/Wireless-World-1952-10.pdf
    Although it's before I was born there's a circuit on page 404 (pdf page 22) which was
    subsequently used by anyone and everyone who needed one.

    Another example of this might be Tobey Dinsdale audio amplifier.
    Before that, designers would put driver and output transformers in transistor amplifiers,
    even when driving only a single low impedance speaker.
    After that, nearly all transistor audio amplifiers were based on it.



    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 14:04:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 07:58:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs transistors.

    I recall someone making a tube audio power amp without transformers.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 09:58:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 06:52:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier: >https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter >on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

    I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which
    explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

    The X-chapters are great too.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Glen Walpert@nospam@null.void to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 18:44:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier

    Transformers with a control winding, aka magnetic amplifiers, were used
    for power gain in servo systems and a few other applications from 1904
    through at least mid 1980s. Very reliable but drift with temperature.

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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 19:31:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs transistors.

    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were mismatched.


    I recall someone making a tube audio power amp without transformers.

    Philips designed one using two power pentodes in a 'totem-pole'
    configuration. The loudspeaker had to be specially wound to give a much
    higher impedance than normal. There was also another variant which used
    a centre-tapped loudspeaker.

    The valves were television types that had been designed to handle high
    peak currents at low H.T. voltages. They were heater-chain types with
    high voltage heater-cathode insulation, which was necessary for the
    upper valve of the pair.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 14:13:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?



    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.



    I recall someone making a tube audio power amp without transformers.

    Philips designed one using two power pentodes in a 'totem-pole' >configuration. The loudspeaker had to be specially wound to give a much >higher impedance than normal. There was also another variant which used
    a centre-tapped loudspeaker.

    The valves were television types that had been designed to handle high
    peak currents at low H.T. voltages. They were heater-chain types with
    high voltage heater-cathode insulation, which was necessary for the
    upper valve of the pair.

    There was some monster tube that Tek used in their scope power
    supplies, a high current low-u triode I recall.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 14:24:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:44:53 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier

    Transformers with a control winding, aka magnetic amplifiers, were used
    for power gain in servo systems and a few other applications from 1904 >through at least mid 1980s. Very reliable but drift with temperature.

    Before triacs and mosfets, there were all sorts of weird things with
    actual power gain. Amplidynes, carbon piles, saturable reactors,
    clutches, motorized variacs, photoresistors, electrolytic things.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 22:51:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the
    power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load"
    has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device
    does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better
    matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to
    understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the
    credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From JM@sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 00:12:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 09:39:14 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    That wasn't the first time he employed similar tactics, he was a very >unpleasant character.

    He was indeed a weel-kent arsehole, as was the son (John), and their
    chief engineer (Ashby?). Even long after HJ retired I was advised to
    give Leak a wide berth - plenty of stories of contract design
    engineers not being paid etc.
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Wed Feb 25 16:30:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load"
    has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device
    does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better
    matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to
    understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the
    credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design,alt.politics.usa on Thu Feb 26 07:06:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 06:52:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier: >>https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter >>on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

    I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which
    explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

    The X-chapters are great too.

    These days I just type in my chromium browser the question
    and 'duck-duck shows me the answer.

    The right answer?

    Where will it go?
    Oh wait:
    where will it go asking questions in the browser?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=where+will+it+go+asking+questions+in+the+browser%3F
    Generate answer for where will it go asking questions in the browser? N++Search Assist
    Google Support
    https://support.google.com rC| chrome rC| answer rC| 16704170?hl=en-CO&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop
    Ask questions through AI Mode in Chrome - Google Help
    Ask questions through AI Mode in Chrome You can ask questions to get AI-powered answers,
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    it divides your questions into subtopics, then searches for each one simultaneously.
    This way, AI Mode finds more relevant content that matches your query.

    So... and lots more on that page


    Lemme try:
    Typing in Chrome:
    N++design a simple AM transistor radio for me
    gives:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=design+a+simple+AM+transistor+radio+for+me&t=raspberrypi&ia=web
    many good links, circuit diagrams and projects
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    Jun 23, 2025With insights from financial experts, here are seven tips on how to become a millionaire. 1. Develop a written financial plan Saying you want to be wealthy won't get you there.
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    9 Steps To Become a Millionaire in 5 Years (or Less) (2026)
    5 days agoHere are nine steps to help you become a millionaire in five years or less. Step 1: Create a Wealth-Building Plan Having a wealth-building plan is vital to ensuring financial freedom. An effective one calculates liabilities and assets and is continually modified as you pass through various life stages.
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    6 steps to become a millionaire | Fidelity
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    There you go, anybody goes!


    Note that every question yuo ask is recorded and used for - and against you!


    So WTF BUY books?????

    Are we all redundant now?

    What I do NOT understand is with millions without power in the US states due to snow
    and trillions dollars for new nuclear plants needed for AI chips from AMD,
    WHY NOT MAKE A BETTER INFRASTUCTURE FOR THE PEOPLE?
    THE US SYSTEM IS EGOMANIAC ROTTEN FILLING THE POCKETS OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE.

    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    Still reading? Likely not...


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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 07:11:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void>wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier

    Transformers with a control winding, aka magnetic amplifiers, were used
    for power gain in servo systems and a few other applications from 1904 >through at least mid 1980s. Very reliable but drift with temperature.

    Transductors, designed with those for high power applications in the sixtoes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transductor
    also used for pincusshion corection in color TV sets.

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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 09:57:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean? >> >>
    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load"
    has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device
    does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >> >mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better >matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to >understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy
    of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not
    an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption
    was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 22:44:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/02/2026 2:58 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Don't be so stupid.

    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs transistors.

    It doesn't "waste power". It just makes it impossible to deliver much of it.

    I recall someone making a tube audio power amp without transformers.

    Some big tubes can deliver quite a lot of current.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 22:49:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/02/2026 9:13 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?



    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    That's our John Larkin - he expresses himself imprecisely enough to be
    flat out wrong, and then claims that the people who call him out are
    whining.

    The usual expression is gloating.

    <snip>
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 22:51:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/02/2026 11:30 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    Such an adult response.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 08:22:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >> >> >> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than
    transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >> >> >> >
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean? >> >> >>
    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the
    power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load"
    has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device
    does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means >> >> >of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >> >> >mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better
    matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about
    imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to
    understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the
    credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy
    of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not
    an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption
    was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Do you design with transistors?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design,alt.politics.usa on Thu Feb 26 08:32:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 06:52:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier: >>>https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter
    on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

    I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which
    explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

    The X-chapters are great too.

    These days I just type in my chromium browser the question
    and 'duck-duck shows me the answer.

    The right answer?

    Where will it go?
    Oh wait:
    where will it go asking questions in the browser?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=where+will+it+go+asking+questions+in+the+browser%3F
    Generate answer for where will it go asking questions in the browser?
    N++Search Assist
    Google Support
    https://support.google.com rC| chrome rC| answer rC| 16704170?hl=en-CO&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop
    Ask questions through AI Mode in Chrome - Google Help
    Ask questions through AI Mode in Chrome You can ask questions to get AI-powered answers,
    ask follow-up questions and get helpful links with AI Mode in Chrome. When you use AI Mode,
    it divides your questions into subtopics, then searches for each one simultaneously.
    This way, AI Mode finds more relevant content that matches your query.

    So... and lots more on that page


    Lemme try:
    Typing in Chrome:
    N++design a simple AM transistor radio for me
    gives:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=design+a+simple+AM+transistor+radio+for+me&t=raspberrypi&ia=web
    many good links, circuit diagrams and projects
    In a second!!

    sooooo
    intersting:
    How do I become the next US president?
    Na, 14 year US living required

    How do I become a milionare? >https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+do+I+become+a+milionare%3F&t=raspberrypi&ia=web

    Protected
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    Safe search: moderate
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    Mar 17, 2024I believe that the best path to becoming a self-made millionaire is through business ownership. By building a profitable business you can fast track your way to wealth.
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    How to Become a Millionaire - Ramsey
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    How to become a millionaire: 7 steps to reach your goal
    Jun 23, 2025With insights from financial experts, here are seven tips on how to become a millionaire. 1. Develop a written financial plan Saying you want to be wealthy won't get you there.
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    5 days agoWant to become a millionaire? Learn practical strategies for saving, investing, and boosting your incomerCono windfall or luck required.
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    5 days agoHere are nine steps to help you become a millionaire in five years or less. Step 1: Create a Wealth-Building Plan Having a wealth-building plan is vital to ensuring financial freedom. An effective one calculates liabilities and assets and is continually modified as you pass through various life stages.
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    There you go, anybody goes!


    Note that every question yuo ask is recorded and used for - and against you!


    So WTF BUY books?????


    There are advantages to reading books. You might discover something
    interesting that you'd never think to ask google about. Something that
    might stick and be useful far in the future.

    And you might read something that clicks with what you know already,
    resulting in invention.

    And many books are fun to read.




    Are we all redundant now?

    What I do NOT understand is with millions without power in the US states due to snow
    and trillions dollars for new nuclear plants needed for AI chips from AMD, >WHY NOT MAKE A BETTER INFRASTUCTURE FOR THE PEOPLE?
    THE US SYSTEM IS EGOMANIAC ROTTEN FILLING THE POCKETS OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE.

    Without rich capitalist exploiters, we'd still be mostly illiterate,
    spinning and weaving our clothes by hand and going hungry regularly.

    The luckiest people were born in a country with lots of (non Party
    member) billionaires


    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.


    Still reading? Likely not...



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 03:51:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >>>>>>>>
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean? >>>>>>>
    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas,
    because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so >>>> as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >>>> power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" >>>> has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device
    does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it >>>> in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs >>>>>>> transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means >>>>>> of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >>>>>> mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal
    and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better
    matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >>>> imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to
    understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the
    credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy
    of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not
    an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption
    was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't
    seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything.
    They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance
    load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a
    high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the
    process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall
    class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide
    exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Feb 26 09:03:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >>>>>>>>>
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean? >>>>>>>>
    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, >>>>>> because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so >>>>> as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >>>>> power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" >>>>> has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device >>>>> does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it >>>>> in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs >>>>>>>> transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power
    gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means >>>>>>> of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were >>>>>>> mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal >>>>>> and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better
    matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >>>>> imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to
    understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >>>>> credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy
    of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not >>> an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption >>> was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't
    seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything. >They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance
    load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a
    high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the
    process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall
    class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide
    exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed >amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies.

    Did you ever build it?

    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jaaw4dk4d4gm0api2h36r/833.jpg?rlkey=ajc90k4hw35lbwilfoph8qbmc&raw=1

    Audiophools would mortage their Range Rovers to buy one. The problem
    wouldn't be getting the tubes; the problem would be the transformers.



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design,alt.politics.usa on Thu Feb 26 17:52:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 06:52:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier: >>>>https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter
    on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

    I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which >>>explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

    The X-chapters are great too.

    These days I just type in my chromium browser the question
    and 'duck-duck shows me the answer.

    The right answer?

    Where will it go?
    Oh wait:
    where will it go asking questions in the browser?
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=where+will+it+go+asking+questions+in+the+browser%3F >> Generate answer for where will it go asking questions in the browser? >>N++Search Assist
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    it divides your questions into subtopics, then searches for each one simultaneously.
    This way, AI Mode finds more relevant content that matches your query.

    So... and lots more on that page


    Lemme try:
    Typing in Chrome:
    N++design a simple AM transistor radio for me
    gives:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=design+a+simple+AM+transistor+radio+for+me&t=raspberrypi&ia=web
    many good links, circuit diagrams and projects
    In a second!!

    sooooo
    intersting:
    How do I become the next US president?
    Na, 14 year US living required

    How do I become a milionare? >>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+do+I+become+a+milionare%3F&t=raspberrypi&ia=web >>
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    Mar 17, 2024I believe that the best path to becoming a self-made millionaire is through business ownership. By building a
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    Having a wealth-building plan is vital to ensuring financial freedom. An effective one calculates liabilities and assets and is
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    Becoming a millionaire isn't out of the question, even in high-cost times. Proactive planning, informed choices, and consistent
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    There you go, anybody goes!


    Note that every question yuo ask is recorded and used for - and against you! >>

    So WTF BUY books?????


    There are advantages to reading books. You might discover something >interesting that you'd never think to ask google about. Something that
    might stick and be useful far in the future.

    And you might read something that clicks with what you know already, >resulting in invention.

    And many books are fun to read.

    Sure, old cave carvings are cool to for some people ;-)

    Donald Duck was fun too sometimes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Weekblad


    Are we all redundant now?

    What I do NOT understand is with millions without power in the US states due to snow
    and trillions dollars for new nuclear plants needed for AI chips from AMD, >>WHY NOT MAKE A BETTER INFRASTUCTURE FOR THE PEOPLE?
    THE US SYSTEM IS EGOMANIAC ROTTEN FILLING THE POCKETS OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE.

    Without rich capitalist exploiters, we'd still be mostly illiterate,
    spinning and weaving our clothes by hand and going hungry regularly.

    I do not think so, people in the stone age that came up with better ways to do things shared things with others in their clans.
    If it was really good and the kings got to know about it then it was used by everybody, and for defense of their land.
    Later when religion was forced upon people in the dark medieval times you would get burned if your ideas conflicted with the religious dogma.

    Look at what Russia did .. Sputnik, periodic system, many things
    not all for personal profit.
    When I worked in broadcasting it was,- at least in my feeling - somehow for the people.

    A this time a bunch of religious fanatics seems to rule the US with a nut case leader who likes to kill people, - even his 'own' people.

    If you put all those jobless together to rebuild infrastructure (start with underground cables in the cities for example)
    then pay them all the same, you get a better place to live in and less sleeping on the streets escaping into drugs
    (drug lords are into that money thing too, I am sure you know ;-) ).

    Anyways, keep it clean!

    I liked Aisberg's books as a kid, mostly the way he 'teached': a guy named 'know all' in conversation with a guy named 'ask all'
    You could identify yourself with the asking and as the asking was right (ask the right questions) and the replies were right you sort of copied the mind of the author.
    Electronics and radio and TV and transistors were suddenly so easy..
    And then I experimented with what I could get my hands on...

    With that knowledge the google AI is a nice tool.
    I dunno for somebody who just knows how to read.. you need some interest by nature, experiment..
    Like driving a car, reading about about it or an online book does not make you a good driver
    or car mechanic or whatever.

    But .. (full turn) people need housing, power, I was thinking that big dam and that canal was made that way.
    Money sucking egoist bully is its gold plated war house and killing boats committing genocide in Gaza only make him the world first nuke target.

    Nature, ant heaps, one ant heap against the other.. may the best one (and system) win!
    Darwin

    Big problem is religions, kids getting brainwashed into Adam did it with Even abused by their teachers, forcing people to pay for the leaders their 'connection to a god'
    The Roman empire embraced Christianity because if the Emperor was speaking the words of some superior power (god) then who is to argue?
    That Roman empire fell apart.

    the US war house emperor
    has no cloths






    The luckiest people were born in a country with lots of (non Party
    member) billionaires


    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.


    Still reading? Likely not...



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 17:04:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 27/02/2026 4:03 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >>>>>>>>>>
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean? >>>>>>>>>
    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, >>>>>>> because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so >>>>>> as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >>>>>> power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" >>>>>> has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device >>>>>> does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it >>>>>> in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs >>>>>>>>> transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power >>>>>> gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means >>>>>>>> of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal >>>>>>> and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like
    acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better >>>>>> matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >>>>>> imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to >>>>>> understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >>>>>> credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy >>>> of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not >>>> an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption >>>> was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't
    seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything.
    They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance
    load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a
    high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the
    process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall
    class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide
    exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed
    amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies.

    Did you ever build it?

    I invented it when Cambridge Instruments needed to upgrade the
    electronics in the weight measuring head of the Metals Research GaAs single-crystal puller, which pulled about 95% of the single crystal GaAs
    made in the west at the time.

    The original circuit had relied on a dual emitter transistor which had
    gone obsolete, and I took the chance to improve the performance.

    The improved circuit is the property of Metals Research which Cambridge Instruments owned a the time, and I don't have access to it. They did
    retrofit it to a number of machines, but I've no idea how many.

    I do have a Spice model of a slightly simplified version of the circuit
    on my web-site.

    http://sophia-elektronica.com/BillsBaxandall.html

    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.
    Why bother?
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design,alt.politics.usa on Fri Feb 27 17:26:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 27/02/2026 3:32 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 06:52:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>wrote:
    My fave was Wireless World.

    Yes, good read.
    Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-)
    Radio Electronica (Dutch)
    Dr Dobb's
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dobb%27s_Journal

    And of course a bit earlier:
    https://archive.org/details/radio-blan/Radio_Blan_01_juli_1960/
    And many more, here in the Netherlands.

    Books?
    Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter
    on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader.
    Have not really read it, nothing new...

    AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

    I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which
    explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

    The X-chapters are great too.

    These days I just type in my chromium browser the question
    and 'duck-duck shows me the answer.

    The right answer?

    Where will it go?
    Oh wait:
    where will it go asking questions in the browser?

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=where+will+it+go+asking+questions+in+the+browser%3F
    Generate answer for where will it go asking questions in the browser?
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    Google Support
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    This way, AI Mode finds more relevant content that matches your query.

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    Typing in Chrome:
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    There you go, anybody goes!


    Note that every question yuo ask is recorded and used for - and against you!


    So WTF BUY books?????


    There are advantages to reading books. You might discover something interesting that you'd never think to ask google about. Something that
    might stick and be useful far in the future.

    And you might read something that clicks with what you know already, resulting in invention.

    And many books are fun to read.




    Are we all redundant now?

    What I do NOT understand is with millions without power in the US states due to snow
    and trillions dollars for new nuclear plants needed for AI chips from AMD, >> WHY NOT MAKE A BETTER INFRASTUCTURE FOR THE PEOPLE?
    THE US SYSTEM IS EGOMANIAC ROTTEN FILLING THE POCKETS OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE.

    Without rich capitalist exploiters, we'd still be mostly illiterate,
    spinning and weaving our clothes by hand and going hungry regularly.

    That is the myth that American businesses spend a lot of money on spreading.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Myth

    It's not remotely true.

    The luckiest people were born in a country with lots of (non Party
    member) billionaires.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

    They put Finland first, Australia 11th and the US as 24th, and Donald
    Trump seems to be doing his best to make the US an even less desirable
    place to live.
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    It wasn't. George Washington made an obscene amount of money buying up
    Indian land that the UK legal system wouldn't have let him keep.

    Revolutions are bad way to get regime change. Reforming the electoral
    system works a lot better. If you've got a multiparty coalition
    government, you've probably got a sensible electoral system. No English-speaking country seems to have got there yet. The Netherlands
    has, and it worked pretty well during the 19 years I lived there, and
    still seems to be doing fine, though Geert Wilders is more a bug than a feature.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 09:48:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 03:45:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 17:04:05 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 4:03 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, >>>>>>>> because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so >>>>>>> as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the >>>>>>> power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" >>>>>>> has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device >>>>>>> does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs >>>>>>>>>> transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power >>>>>>> gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal >>>>>>>> and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like >>>>>>> acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better >>>>>>> matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >>>>>>> imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to >>>>>>> understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >>>>>>> credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy >>>>> of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not >>>>> an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption >>>>> was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't
    seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything. >>> They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance
    load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a
    high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the
    process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall
    class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide
    exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed
    amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies.

    Did you ever build it?

    I invented it when Cambridge Instruments needed to upgrade the
    electronics in the weight measuring head of the Metals Research GaAs >single-crystal puller, which pulled about 95% of the single crystal GaAs >made in the west at the time.

    The original circuit had relied on a dual emitter transistor which had
    gone obsolete, and I took the chance to improve the performance.

    The improved circuit is the property of Metals Research which Cambridge >Instruments owned a the time, and I don't have access to it. They did >retrofit it to a number of machines, but I've no idea how many.

    I do have a Spice model of a slightly simplified version of the circuit
    on my web-site.

    http://sophia-elektronica.com/BillsBaxandall.html

    I recall that you had a custom transformer made for your circuit. Did
    you ever make it work?


    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.
    Why bother?

    I guess imagining things is too much stress for some people.

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design,alt.politics.usa on Fri Feb 27 13:31:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
    What I do NOT understand is with millions without power in the US states due to snow
    and trillions dollars for new nuclear plants needed for AI chips from AMD, >>> WHY NOT MAKE A BETTER INFRASTUCTURE FOR THE PEOPLE?
    THE US SYSTEM IS EGOMANIAC ROTTEN FILLING THE POCKETS OF A FEW INDIVIDUALS AT THE COST OF THE PEOPLE.

    Without rich capitalist exploiters, we'd still be mostly illiterate,
    spinning and weaving our clothes by hand and going hungry regularly.

    That is the myth that American businesses spend a lot of money on spreading.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Myth

    It's not remotely true.

    The luckiest people were born in a country with lots of (non Party
    member) billionaires.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

    They put Finland first, Australia 11th and the US as 24th, and Donald
    Trump seems to be doing his best to make the US an even less desirable
    place to live.
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    It wasn't. George Washington made an obscene amount of money buying up >Indian land that the UK legal system wouldn't have let him keep.

    Revolutions are bad way to get regime change. Reforming the electoral
    system works a lot better. If you've got a multiparty coalition
    government, you've probably got a sensible electoral system. No >English-speaking country seems to have got there yet. The Netherlands
    has, and it worked pretty well during the 19 years I lived there, and
    still seems to be doing fine, though Geert Wilders is more a bug than a >feature.

    Wilders is out
    There is a minority government just installed of February 23 2026:
    https://www.government.nl/government

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 03:56:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 27/02/2026 10:45 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 17:04:05 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 4:03 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, >>>>>>>>> because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the
    power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" >>>>>>>> has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device >>>>>>>> does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs >>>>>>>>>>> transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power >>>>>>>> gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal >>>>>>>>> and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like >>>>>>>> acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better >>>>>>>> matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about >>>>>>>> imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to >>>>>>>> understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >>>>>>>> credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy >>>>>> of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not >>>>>> an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption >>>>>> was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power
    gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't
    seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything. >>>> They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance
    load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a >>>> high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the
    process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall
    class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide
    exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed >>>> amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies.

    Did you ever build it?

    I invented it when Cambridge Instruments needed to upgrade the
    electronics in the weight measuring head of the Metals Research GaAs
    single-crystal puller, which pulled about 95% of the single crystal GaAs
    made in the west at the time.

    The original circuit had relied on a dual emitter transistor which had
    gone obsolete, and I took the chance to improve the performance.

    The improved circuit is the property of Metals Research which Cambridge
    Instruments owned a the time, and I don't have access to it. They did
    retrofit it to a number of machines, but I've no idea how many.

    I do have a Spice model of a slightly simplified version of the circuit
    on my web-site.

    http://sophia-elektronica.com/BillsBaxandall.html

    I recall that you had a custom transformer made for your circuit. Did
    you ever make it work?

    It wasn't for that circuit. It was more than fifteen years ago, and the
    point of that transformer was to let my Scottish friend test the device
    for the distortion created by very low level hysterisis in the ferrite,
    which produced harmonics about 95dB below the fundamental, as he had
    suspected that it would, which made it useless for the very low
    distortion oscillator I wanted.

    The linear variable differential transformer in the GaAs crystal
    puller's weighing circuit was much more tolerant of low level
    distortion. Getting the distortion better than 60DB below the
    fundamental was perfectly adequate, and probably an over-kill, but it
    all fitted onto a pretty small board.

    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.
    Why bother?

    I guess imagining things is too much stress for some people.

    I didn't need to imagine that. I saw a few in people's homes in Cambridge.

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

    You believe climate change denial propaganda. You clearly haven't got a
    brain worth training, which was what Lewis Carol was parodying in that line.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 10:15:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 10:18:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 03:56:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 10:45 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 17:04:05 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 4:03 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

    Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

    Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

    Either of those is misleading.

    Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, >>>>>>>>>> because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

    Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so
    as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the
    power.

    "Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load"
    has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device >>>>>>>>> does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it
    in any way.


    Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs
    transistors.

    That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power >>>>>>>>> gain".


    I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means
    of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were
    mismatched.

    Nice phrase, "duh".

    It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal >>>>>>>>>> and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

    I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like >>>>>>>>> acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better >>>>>>>>> matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about
    imprecision to use the correct terminology.

    You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to >>>>>>>>> understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the >>>>>>>>> credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly. >>>>>>>>
    You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

    I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy >>>>>>> of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not
    an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption
    was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

    I said that impedance-matching transformers can increase the power >>>>>> gain of tube or transistor amps. That could have created some
    discussion of electronic design.

    It sure didn't. It inspired a lot of lexography.

    Presumably you meant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography

    which is about writing dictionaries.

    We were commenting on a more basic problem, which is that you didn't >>>>> seem to understand the words you were using.

    Impedance matching transformers can't change the power gain of anything. >>>>> They can be used with an amplifier designed to drive a low impedance >>>>> load to trade current swing for voltage swing to get more power into a >>>>> high impedance load but they happen to consume a little power in the >>>>> process - they are lossy devices.

    Do you design with transistors?

    I have, from time to time. My current mirror version of the Baxandall >>>>> class D-oscillator does rely on discrete transistor pairs to provide >>>>> exactly the power gain needed to keep the oscillator running at a fixed >>>>> amplitude even as the load (and the losses in the transformer) varies. >>>>
    Did you ever build it?

    I invented it when Cambridge Instruments needed to upgrade the
    electronics in the weight measuring head of the Metals Research GaAs
    single-crystal puller, which pulled about 95% of the single crystal GaAs >>> made in the west at the time.

    The original circuit had relied on a dual emitter transistor which had
    gone obsolete, and I took the chance to improve the performance.

    The improved circuit is the property of Metals Research which Cambridge
    Instruments owned a the time, and I don't have access to it. They did
    retrofit it to a number of machines, but I've no idea how many.

    I do have a Spice model of a slightly simplified version of the circuit
    on my web-site.

    http://sophia-elektronica.com/BillsBaxandall.html

    I recall that you had a custom transformer made for your circuit. Did
    you ever make it work?

    It wasn't for that circuit. It was more than fifteen years ago, and the >point of that transformer was to let my Scottish friend test the device
    for the distortion created by very low level hysterisis in the ferrite, >which produced harmonics about 95dB below the fundamental, as he had >suspected that it would, which made it useless for the very low
    distortion oscillator I wanted.

    What happened?


    The linear variable differential transformer in the GaAs crystal
    puller's weighing circuit was much more tolerant of low level
    distortion. Getting the distortion better than 60DB below the
    fundamental was perfectly adequate, and probably an over-kill, but it
    all fitted onto a pretty small board.

    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.
    Why bother?

    I guess imagining things is too much stress for some people.

    I didn't need to imagine that. I saw a few in people's homes in Cambridge.

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
    breakfast."

    You believe climate change denial propaganda. You clearly haven't got a >brain worth training, which was what Lewis Carol was parodying in that line.

    It wasn't parody.



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 05:20:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 28/02/2026 5:15 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    If they can't change the government by voting against it they can get interested in other mechanisms of regime change.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@jeroen@nospam.please to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 21:09:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2/27/26 19:15, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Imagine that, the land of the free a dictatorship.

    You're very close. I honestly hope you'll be able to turn
    the tide. The mid-term elections will be interesting.

    Jeroen Belleman
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 21:02:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President. His advisors pointed out to him that:

    America isn't an Empire, so he can't be an Emperor.
    America isn't a Kingdom, so he can't be a King.
    America is a Country,so he doesn't need to change anything.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 14:28:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?



    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Feb 27 20:01:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:09:25 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2/27/26 19:15, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

    Imagine that, the land of the free a dictatorship.

    You're very close. I honestly hope you'll be able to turn
    the tide. The mid-term elections will be interesting.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Tribalism is driven by a lot of things. Physical separation, newspaper separation, social media. That produces a bimodal distribution, hard
    left and right, country versus city.

    What's encouraging is the increasing number of people who consider
    themselves to be politically independent, not party aligned, just
    common sense. A new bump in the middle.

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 17:29:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 28/02/2026 5:18 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 03:56:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 10:45 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 17:04:05 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 4:03 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 03:51:46 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 27/02/2026 3:22 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:55 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 22:51:52 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:31:48 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 14:04:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Imagine a monoblock audio amp with a pair of 833's standing up and
    glowing, in plain sight.
    Why bother?

    I guess imagining things is too much stress for some people.

    I didn't need to imagine that. I saw a few in people's homes in Cambridge. >>
    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
    breakfast."

    You believe climate change denial propaganda. You clearly haven't got a
    brain worth training, which was what Lewis Carol was parodying in that line.

    It wasn't parody.

    That's self-parody.
    --

    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 17:38:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 28/02/2026 9:28 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    Who needs to. When somebody is as obsessed with getting the Nobel Peace
    Prize as Trump is, you know he's going to be equally interested in a
    whole bunch of other empty titles. At the moment he is still probably
    sane enough to know how badly it would play with his supporters, but his senile dementia is rapidly getting more florid.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 10:17:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Am 28.02.26 um 07:38 schrieb Bill Sloman:
    On 28/02/2026 9:28 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    Who needs to. When somebody is as obsessed with getting the Nobel Peace Prize as Trump is, you know he's going to be equally interested in a
    whole bunch of other empty titles. At the moment he is still probably
    sane enough to know how badly it would play with his supporters, but his senile dementia is rapidly getting more florid.

    Burger King has missed the opportunity up to now.
    Just imagine what a brass crown with 2 um chemical gold over Ni
    could do for them!

    Ok, it must look impressive. Big, beautiful, really impressive!

    Official health food provider for the National Olympic
    team, Super Bowl, soccer championship, the NHS...
    Possibilities are endless.

    Gerhard

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 10:22:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Am 28.02.26 um 05:01 schrieb john larkin:

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.

    Yeah! What do you expect from a bunch of slave owners
    who wanted to be free? Consistency?

    Gerhard


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  • From Jim Jackson@jj@franjam.org.uk to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 12:30:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>> >
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!




    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 23:53:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 28/02/2026 11:30 pm, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!

    We do hope so.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From antispam@antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 14:07:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    US have largely solved this problem. You have noisy and expensive
    compaign and unlimited donations. Rich donors choose whom to
    select. About 5% of citizen have no voiting rights. Other who may
    vote in undesirable way are discouraged from voting by distance
    to voting stations and time needed for voting. "First past the
    post" system means that minority votes get effectively thrown away.
    Add senate where states with large popilation have no more seats
    than small states and filibuster rule. And if all that fails supreme
    court will find a pretext to block unwanted decisions. So voting
    does not upset domination of ruling class.

    OTOH voting have some advantages. In my country, during communist
    era when we had largish street protest it was clear for everybody
    that government had lost support (society has pretty homogeneous,
    so once there was sizeable sample againt it was clear that
    society is against), and that led to change of government.
    When there are elections with split vote goverment can claim
    "democratic mandate" and ignore protests.
    --
    Waldek Hebisch
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sun Mar 1 01:08:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 28/02/2026 8:22 pm, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    Am 28.02.26 um 05:01 schrieb john larkin:

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.

    Yeah! What do you expect from a bunch of slave owners
    who wanted to be free? Consistency?

    Jonathon Israel, in his book "Democratic Enlightenment"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

    makes the point that while the American War of Independence was driven
    by radical enlightenment thinkers like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas
    Paine, they were frozen out of the process of writing the US
    constitution, which was done by slave-holding landowners who found the moderate enlightenment more congenial, since it was more business as
    usual, with prosperous merchants and land-owners replacing the
    hereditary aristocracy, and keeping the lower orders on their place.

    Since then nobody else has made the same mistake.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 07:51:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 10:22:48 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 28.02.26 um 05:01 schrieb john larkin:

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.

    Yeah! What do you expect from a bunch of slave owners
    who wanted to be free? Consistency?

    Gerhard


    Slavery has been usual for as long as humans have existed. It's still
    around.

    What's unusual is that the brits and then the americans decided that
    it was immoral and should be abolished. Both spent lives and trasure
    for the cause.

    Whether political parties have any official function in government is
    a different issue.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 07:52:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:38:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 28/02/2026 9:28 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    Who needs to.

    OK, they made it up.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 07:53:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:30:21 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
    <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> >
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American
    Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you?

    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!


    Ah. Humor.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 12:48:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2026-02-28 04:22, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    Am 28.02.26 um 05:01 schrieb john larkin:

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.

    Yeah! What do you expect from a bunch of slave owners
    who wanted to be free? Consistency?

    Gerhard


    One might usefully reflect also on the immediate origins of the Federal Republic of Germany.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 10:07:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:48:30 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2026-02-28 04:22, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    Am 28.02.26 um 05:01 schrieb john larkin:

    The people of California passed a constitutional amendment that
    created a "jungle primary" for the Governor election. It's
    non-partisan. The Dems hate it because they fear that they will have
    20 candidates that split the vote and the R's might have three and we
    might wind up with a Republican governor. What fun.

    The Founders debated whether political parties should be allowed to
    have official presence. They chose wrong.

    Yeah! What do you expect from a bunch of slave owners
    who wanted to be free? Consistency?

    Gerhard


    One might usefully reflect also on the immediate origins of the Federal >Republic of Germany.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The American Revolution was remarkable: no-one was executed. Well,
    maybe one.

    I think that was unusual, as revolutions go.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Jim Jackson@jj@franjam.org.uk to sci.electronics.design on Sat Feb 28 22:35:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 2026-02-28, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:38:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 28/02/2026 9:28 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you? >>>>
    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of
    his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    Who needs to.

    OK, they made it up.

    of course someone made it up - it was a joke - one that obviously went way over your head.



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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Sun Mar 1 19:58:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:30:21 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
    <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> >
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>> >> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you? >>>
    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of >>>his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!


    Ah. Humor.

    No:"humour" - it was an English joke.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design on Sun Mar 1 20:16:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:30:21 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
    <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>
    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you? >>>>>
    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of >>>>> his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!


    Ah. Humor.

    No:"humour" - it was an English joke.


    Phlegm, blood, black bile, yellow bile.

    Sounds about right. ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Sun Mar 1 21:37:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:30:21 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
    <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >>>>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you? >>>>>
    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of >>>>> his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!


    Ah. Humor.

    No:"humour" - it was an English joke.


    Phlegm, blood, black bile, yellow bile.

    You forgot the stuff that oozes from a punctured eyeball.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Sun Mar 1 13:43:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 21:37:21 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:30:21 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson
    <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2026-02-27, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 21:02:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 09:48:02 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >> >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:06:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>

    [...]
    TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

    That usually kills people and leaves thugs in charge. The American >> >>>>>>>> Revolution was a rare exception.

    The thugs have caught up now, though.

    Why allow people to vote, when more than half might vote against you? >> >>>>>
    I'm told Trump wanted to be declared an Emperor or King at the end of >> >>>>> his term as President.

    Who told you that?

    FFS it was a JOKE!


    Ah. Humor.

    No:"humour" - it was an English joke.


    Phlegm, blood, black bile, yellow bile.

    You forgot the stuff that oozes from a punctured eyeball.

    Both my eyeballs have beed drained from their native ooze. They were
    filled with freon, which the body slowly refills with, basically,
    saline for some reason.

    Cataract surgeries gone wrong.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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