• Possibility of PNN replies

    From E.Laureti@user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jan 9 19:02:26 2026
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    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.
    Because I genuinely want to replicate your results.
    In my professional opinion, the ASPS team has already proved that this
    works when they demonstrated the battery powered version. My personal
    failure to get thrust out of the attempted replication I constructed
    does not detract at all from the multiple successes of the ASPS team or the PNN drive technology.
    I remain totally convinced it works and am not afraid to tell doubters! rCarCa.

    rCarCarCa..
    Mie raccomandazioni:
    Il mio solo auspicio |? che faccia quello che gli dico di fare e non
    si avventuri in varianti, che sono fatte sovente per risparmiare
    soldi e tempo.
    Le varianti della PNN si iniziano solo dopo che si hanno solide basi sperimentali dei dati basilari per riprodurre la PNN rCa.
    Altrimenti il risultato purtroppo |? con alta probabilit|a la rCLKappellarCY

    rCa.. ulteriori dettagli in Nova Astronautica n.186

    Other info:

    Why can the PNN reach and colonize both the Moon and Mars?

    Because through the real, not fake, violation of Newton's principle of action and reaction,
    PNN thrust increases over time for the same amount of energy used.
    This is first demonstrated with a prototype on a ballistic pendulum F432 powered by
    an external amplifier https://player.vimeo.com/video/476068648

    In the video, the prototype's index, illuminated by the laser, not only moves from left
    to right but goes off scale depending on the fact that the
    thrust increases over time.

    The same is demonstrated by the F432BA prototype (a variant of the previous one) but powered
    by batteries and operated with a remote control on
    a Kern electronic scale display. Once with upward thrust http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    And then with downward thrust when the prototype is rotated 180
    degrees http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf .
    Unfortunately, the lithium batteries discharge over a time interval ranging from zero seconds to about 120 to 150 seconds.
    Spaceship i.e. Submarine conversion in PNN spaceships http://asps.it/schelet1.jpg
    http://asps.it/schelet2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron7.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron15.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron16.jpg
    https://propulsion-revolution.com/en/subspace


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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Jan 10 16:48:25 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 6:02 am, E.Laureti wrote:


    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.

    That's the whole problem. any scientist needs to be continuously alet to
    the possibility of alternative explanations for the effects that they
    are seeing. Popper claimed the any real scientific explanation had to be falsifiable.

    Because I genuinely want to replicate your results.

    The desire to be able to see that the claimed results can be shown to
    fit theory that claims to explain them is perfectly natural, but leads
    to bad science if it leads you to ignore more prosaic explanations;

    In my professional opinion, the ASPS team has already proved that this
    works when they demonstrated the battery powered version.

    You don't seem to be a professional experimental scientist - or a least
    not a very competent one.

    My personal failure to get thrust out of the attempted replication I constructed
    does not detract at all from the multiple successes of the ASPS team or the PNN drive technology.
    I remain totally convinced it works and am not afraid to tell doubters! rCarCa.

    So you are a gullible twit. If you can't reproduce the effects they
    probably aren't real, and you don't have any rational reason to promote
    them as real.

    rCarCarCa..
    Mie raccomandazioni:
    Il mio solo auspicio |? che faccia quello che gli dico di fare e non
    si avventuri in varianti, che sono fatte sovente per risparmiare
    soldi e tempo.
    Le varianti della PNN si iniziano solo dopo che si hanno solide basi sperimentali dei dati basilari per riprodurre la PNN rCa.
    Altrimenti il risultato purtroppo |? con alta probabilit|a la rCLKappellarCY

    rCa.. ulteriori dettagli in Nova Astronautica n.186

    Other info:

    Why can the PNN reach and colonize both the Moon and Mars?

    Because through the real, not fake, violation of Newton's principle of action and reaction,
    PNN thrust increases over time for the same amount of energy used.


    The proposition that effects that you can't reproduce are violations of Newton's principle of action and reaction is pure wishful thinking.

    This is first demonstrated with a prototype on a ballistic pendulum F432 powered by
    an external amplifier https://player.vimeo.com/video/476068648

    In the video, the prototype's index, illuminated by the laser, not only moves from left
    to right but goes off scale depending on the fact that the
    thrust increases over time.

    The environment gets hotter and the convection currents that I
    hypothesise to be creating the observed effect would get stronger.

    The same is demonstrated by the F432BA prototype (a variant of the previous one) but powered
    by batteries and operated with a remote control on
    a Kern electronic scale display. Once with upward thrust http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    And then with downward thrust when the prototype is rotated 180
    degrees http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf .
    Unfortunately, the lithium batteries discharge over a time interval ranging from zero seconds to about 120 to 150 seconds.

    A zero second discharge would be catastrophic if it actually happened;

    Spaceship i.e. Submarine conversion in PNN spaceships http://asps.it/schelet1.jpg
    http://asps.it/schelet2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron7.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron15.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron16.jpg
    https://propulsion-revolution.com/en/subspace

    Nobody has demonstrated that the effect exists in an evacuated test
    space, let alone outer space.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From E.Laureti@user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Sat Jan 10 07:56:00 2026
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    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:02 am, E.Laureti wrote:


    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.

    That's the whole problem. any scientist needs to be continuously alet to
    the possibility of alternative explanations for the effects that they
    are seeing. Popper claimed the any real scientific explanation had to be falsifiable.


    2000 years ago, the Romans built bridges using empirical procedures
    without theories. Everything that seems apparently right to you testifies
    to an arthritic astronautica with farts that colonizes nothing.
    The PNN was built with empirical physical procedures, just like the
    Roman bridges of 2000 years ago, which are still in use while modern
    ones often don't even last 200 years.
    You use Popper to escape from any experiment that could disprove you.









    Because I genuinely want to replicate your results.

    The desire to be able to see that the claimed results can be shown to
    fit theory that claims to explain them is perfectly natural, but leads
    to bad science if it leads you to ignore more prosaic explanations;

    In my professional opinion, the ASPS team has already proved that this
    works when they demonstrated the battery powered version.

    You don't seem to be a professional experimental scientist - or a least
    not a very competent one.

    My personal failure to get thrust out of the attempted replication I constructed
    does not detract at all from the multiple successes of the ASPS team or the PNN drive technology.
    I remain totally convinced it works and am not afraid to tell doubters! rCarCa.

    So you are a gullible twit. If you can't reproduce the effects they
    probably aren't real, and you don't have any rational reason to promote
    them as real.

    rCarCarCa..
    Mie raccomandazioni:
    Il mio solo auspicio |? che faccia quello che gli dico di fare e non
    si avventuri in varianti, che sono fatte sovente per risparmiare
    soldi e tempo.
    Le varianti della PNN si iniziano solo dopo che si hanno solide basi sperimentali dei dati basilari per riprodurre la PNN rCa.
    Altrimenti il risultato purtroppo |? con alta probabilit|a la rCLKappellarCY

    rCa.. ulteriori dettagli in Nova Astronautica n.186

    Other info:

    Why can the PNN reach and colonize both the Moon and Mars?

    Because through the real, not fake, violation of Newton's principle of action and reaction,
    PNN thrust increases over time for the same amount of energy used.


    The proposition that effects that you can't reproduce are violations of Newton's principle of action and reaction is pure wishful thinking.

    This is first demonstrated with a prototype on a ballistic pendulum F432 powered by
    an external amplifier https://player.vimeo.com/video/476068648

    In the video, the prototype's index, illuminated by the laser, not only moves from left
    to right but goes off scale depending on the fact that the
    thrust increases over time.

    The environment gets hotter and the convection currents that I
    hypothesise to be creating the observed effect would get stronger.

    The same is demonstrated by the F432BA prototype (a variant of the previous one) but powered
    by batteries and operated with a remote control on
    a Kern electronic scale display. Once with upward thrust http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    And then with downward thrust when the prototype is rotated 180
    degrees http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf .
    Unfortunately, the lithium batteries discharge over a time interval ranging from zero seconds to about 120 to 150 seconds.

    A zero second discharge would be catastrophic if it actually happened;

    Spaceship i.e. Submarine conversion in PNN spaceships http://asps.it/schelet1.jpg
    http://asps.it/schelet2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron7.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron15.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/tron16.jpg
    https://propulsion-revolution.com/en/subspace

    Nobody has demonstrated that the effect exists in an evacuated test
    space, let alone outer space.

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Jan 10 22:31:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 10/01/2026 6:56 pm, E.Laureti wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:02 am, E.Laureti wrote:


    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and >>> the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.

    That's the whole problem. any scientist needs to be continuously alert to
    the possibility of alternative explanations for the effects that they
    are seeing. Popper claimed the any real scientific explanation had to be
    falsifiable.

    2000 years ago, the Romans built bridges using empirical procedures
    without theories.

    The scientific method was developed after their civilisation had fallen
    apart. It's a scheme that lets you avoid a lot of false starts. You need
    to learn about it.

    Everything that seems apparently right to you testifies
    to an arthritic astronautica with farts that colonizes nothing.
    Modern astronautics is very much about finding out more about the more convenient parts of the solar system. Colonising them is strictly
    science fiction - we don't know enough about the possible destinations
    to make any even faintly realistic plans to colonise any of them.

    The PNN was built with empirical physical procedures, just like the
    Roman bridges of 2000 years ago, which are still in use while modern
    ones often don't even last 200 years.

    The Romans didn't know enough to risk making their bridges as cheaply as
    they could have done.

    The testing of your imagined reactionless parodies empirical physical procedures. You leave out any sort of control of whether the effects you
    are seeing might come from any effects other than the ones you are
    looking for.

    You use Popper to escape from any experiment that could disprove you.

    I'm not in a position to repeat your experiments, let alone set up
    variants which might provide useful information - which would take even
    more money and time.

    If your experiments had been rather better designed, there are people
    like me who might have been motivated to get together to refine them,
    but the nonsense you are peddling pretty much rules out any such effort.

    I'm not fond of Popper's theory of science - Polyani comes closer to the
    mark - but Popper does emphasise one aspect of science which is
    important here, and you clearly haven't grasped.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From E.Laureti@user2039@newsgrouper.org.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Mon Jan 12 08:53:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design


    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:56 pm, E.Laureti wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:02 am, E.Laureti wrote:


    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and
    the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.

    That's the whole problem. any scientist needs to be continuously alert to >> the possibility of alternative explanations for the effects that they
    are seeing. Popper claimed the any real scientific explanation had to be >> falsifiable.

    2000 years ago, the Romans built bridges using empirical procedures
    without theories.

    The scientific method was developed after their civilisation had fallen apart. It's a scheme that lets you avoid a lot of false starts. You need
    to learn about it.

    Everything that seems apparently right to you testifies
    to an arthritic astronautica with farts that colonizes nothing.
    Modern astronautics is very much about finding out more about the more convenient parts of the solar system. Colonising them is strictly
    science fiction - we don't know enough about the possible destinations
    to make any even faintly realistic plans to colonise any of them.

    The PNN was built with empirical physical procedures, just like the
    Roman bridges of 2000 years ago, which are still in use while modern
    ones often don't even last 200 years.

    The Romans didn't know enough to risk making their bridges as cheaply as they could have done.

    The testing of your imagined reactionless parodies empirical physical procedures. You leave out any sort of control of whether the effects you
    are seeing might come from any effects other than the ones you are
    looking for.

    You use Popper to escape from any experiment that could disprove you.

    I'm not in a position to repeat your experiments, let alone set up
    variants which might provide useful information - which would take even
    more money and time.

    If your experiments had been rather better designed, there are people
    like me who might have been motivated to get together to refine them,
    but the nonsense you are peddling pretty much rules out any such effort.

    I'm not fond of Popper's theory of science - Polyani comes closer to the mark - but Popper does emphasise one aspect of science which is
    important here, and you clearly haven't grasped.


    The fact that you speaks out against the PNN and fails my PNN tests is because you does
    not want your assumptions to be disproved. You hates simple experimental evidence and wants
    it to be complicated (the usual costly vacuum chamber, completely useless for PNN thrust) just
    because in the complication she finds elements to say that my PNN tests are fake.
    No one has
    been able to explain these basic PNN tests on a scale (PNN prototypes with batteries and remote control),
    and so to defend yourselves you use tricks like forgers. Or more simply, you run away or are deaf.
    In fact, you yourself does not even talk about it.
    I repeat what has already been said and has received no response.

    PNN once with upward thrust http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    And then with downward thrust when the prototype is rotated 180
    degrees http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf

    And why doesn't he talk about it? Because it shows how, by running away, he sticks to generic criticism.
    These are tests that can be translated into English.

    To anyone who makes a criticism due to thermal effects or wind or ghosts favorable to PNN
    (upward thrust and downward thrust with the prototype rotated 180 degrees),
    I suggest putting a small battery-powered heater on the scale at 30 amperes, turning it on and off (for about 2 minutes) with a remote,
    and seeing if the heater behaves like the F432BA prototype in upward thrust and downward thrust. :-) I repeat that, like others, you don't want to see the
    PNN tests that prove you wrong.
    http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf
    I repeat, you do not want to see what disproves you because you don't want
    to change
    your paradigm and understand that with rockets you will never colonize anything.








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  • From albert@albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl to sci.electronics.design on Mon Jan 12 14:29:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    In article <10jtdai$33pqc$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I'm not fond of Popper's theory of science - Polyani comes closer to the
    mark - but Popper does emphasise one aspect of science which is
    important here, and you clearly haven't grasped.

    Right on! Popper considers experiments in isolation. In my view that is metaphysical thinking.

    The scientific view is that the combination of all possible probabilities
    (read "certainties") of outcome of all observations leads to the most probable correct worldview.
    First law of dialectical realism, the world is a whole, and is to be considered as a whole.

    For example.
    Before discovering the neutrino leak, astrophysics were confronted with
    a most unprobable outcome. No physicist was inclined to tear down quantum mechanics or astronomy, however. They sought (and found) an explanation
    in the existing frame work.

    And, dear Popper, how do you do repeatable experiments in astrophysics?

    Bill Sloman, Sydney l
    --
    The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
    The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
    over 80 years, like Western Europe.
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  • From Martin Brown@'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk to sci.electronics.design on Mon Jan 12 14:51:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 12/01/2026 13:29, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    In article <10jtdai$33pqc$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I'm not fond of Popper's theory of science - Polyani comes closer to the
    mark - but Popper does emphasise one aspect of science which is
    important here, and you clearly haven't grasped.

    Right on! Popper considers experiments in isolation. In my view that is metaphysical thinking.

    His requirement that any scientific theory must be falsifiable weeds out
    a hell of a lot of dross. N-rays spring to mind as an example.

    Sheldrake had an amusing take on it with morphic resonance :

    https://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction

    The scientific view is that the combination of all possible probabilities (read "certainties") of outcome of all observations leads to the most probable
    correct worldview.
    First law of dialectical realism, the world is a whole, and is to be considered
    as a whole.

    For example.
    Before discovering the neutrino leak, astrophysics were confronted with
    a most unprobable outcome. No physicist was inclined to tear down quantum mechanics or astronomy, however. They sought (and found) an explanation
    in the existing frame work.

    Every now and then it is necessary to do a complete paradigm shift and a
    full reset. Typically when a really cunning experiment does not give the expected result that prevailing theory predicts.

    Classical Newtonian dynamics are a weak field limit of special and
    general relativity. ISTR a world famous physicist claiming in an after
    dinner speech that physics would a completely solved problem just prior
    to natural radioactivity first being observed. Quantum mechanics and QCD
    and higher order HEP theories remain impossible to reconcile with GR at present so sooner or later a new GUT will probably be found.

    And, dear Popper, how do you do repeatable experiments in astrophysics?

    You can't change what it out there. But you can build similar telescopes
    and obtain reproducible results by studying the same object(s) (or not).

    Famously in the Hoyle vs Ryle debacle the early radio astronomers
    initially were seeing way more radio galaxies than were actually there
    because they hadn't allowed for the extremely bright ones sitting in
    antenna sidelobes. It was fairly rapidly sorted out though.

    You can only observe what is there from a distance and from where the
    Earth happens to be at the time of observation, but astrophysicists are
    well aware of that and have learned to live within those limitations. We
    live in a golden age of observational astronomy where there is
    practically no wavelength that we cannot obtain detailed high resolution images (although terahertz stuff seems to stay classified).
    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Tue Jan 13 03:58:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 12/01/2026 7:53 pm, E.Laureti wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:56 pm, E.Laureti wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> posted:

    On 10/01/2026 6:02 am, E.Laureti wrote:


    Possibility of PNN replies


    Trovato chi replica dei test PNN (PNN replies if my commands are listen!!!!!! )

    Cos|4 scrive: rCarCa. American PNN :-) rCa..

    For the record I wanted to say that I continue to strongly support ASPS and
    the PNN drive. I have no desire whatsoever to disprove it.

    That's the whole problem. any scientist needs to be continuously alert to >>>> the possibility of alternative explanations for the effects that they
    are seeing. Popper claimed the any real scientific explanation had to be >>>> falsifiable.

    2000 years ago, the Romans built bridges using empirical procedures
    without theories.

    The scientific method was developed after their civilisation had fallen
    apart. It's a scheme that lets you avoid a lot of false starts. You need
    to learn about it.

    Everything that seems apparently right to you testifies
    to an arthritic astronautica with farts that colonizes nothing.

    Modern astronautics is very much about finding out more about the more
    convenient parts of the solar system. Colonising them is strictly
    science fiction - we don't know enough about the possible destinations
    to make any even faintly realistic plans to colonise any of them.

    The PNN was built with empirical physical procedures, just like the
    Roman bridges of 2000 years ago, which are still in use while modern
    ones often don't even last 200 years.

    The Romans didn't know enough to risk making their bridges as cheaply as
    they could have done.

    The testing of your imagined reactionless parodies empirical physical
    procedures. You leave out any sort of control of whether the effects you
    are seeing might come from any effects other than the ones you are
    looking for.

    You use Popper to escape from any experiment that could disprove you.

    I'm not in a position to repeat your experiments, let alone set up
    variants which might provide useful information - which would take even
    more money and time.

    If your experiments had been rather better designed, there are people
    like me who might have been motivated to get together to refine them,
    but the nonsense you are peddling pretty much rules out any such effort.

    I'm not fond of Popper's theory of science - Polyani comes closer to the
    mark - but Popper does emphasise one aspect of science which is
    important here, and you clearly haven't grasped.


    The fact that you speaks out against the PNN and fails my PNN tests is because you does
    not want your assumptions to be disproved.

    This is a hypothesis. I'd argue that my objections are to the obvious
    defects of the PNN tests, which you refuse to address.

    You hates simple experimental evidence and wants
    it to be complicated (the usual costly vacuum chamber, completely useless for PNN thrust) just
    because in the complication he finds elements to say that my PNN tests are fake.

    They aren't even fake. If they were intended to be deceptive they'd look neater. They just look inept.

    No one has been able to explain these basic PNN tests on a scale (PNN prototypes with batteries and remote control),
    and so to defend yourselves you use tricks like forgers. Or more simply, you run away or are deaf.

    What you mean is that nobody has been able to shake your certainty that
    you have demonstrated a real effect. The likeliest explanation of that
    is that you aren't much good at experimental science.

    In fact, you yourself does not even talk about it.
    I repeat what has already been said and has received no response.

    You keep on making the same assertions, and don't seem to realise that
    they aren't convincing.

    PNN once with upward thrust http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    And then with downward thrust when the prototype is rotated 180
    degrees http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf

    And why doesn't he talk about it? Because it shows how, by running away, he sticks to generic criticism.
    These are tests that can be translated into English.

    To anyone who makes a criticism due to thermal effects or wind or ghosts favorable to PNN
    (upward thrust and downward thrust with the prototype rotated 180 degrees), I suggest putting a small battery-powered heater on the scale at 30 amperes, turning it on and off (for about 2 minutes) with a remote,
    and seeing if the heater behaves like the F432BA prototype in upward thrust and downward thrust. :-)

    It's your experiment. You need to demonstrate that isn't being corrupted
    by convection currents circulating in your test space.

    I repeat that, like others, you don't want to see the
    PNN tests that prove you wrong.
    http://www.asps.it/spintapnnalto.pdf
    http://www.asps.it/spintapnnbasso.pdf
    I repeat, you do not want to see what disproves you because you don't want
    to change your paradigm and understand that with rockets you will never colonize anything.

    You can't be bothered to present tests that prove you right.

    What you have presented doesn't strike me as convincing. In fact it
    doesn't even look as if it was intended to convince anybody wasn't
    already a convert.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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