On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-)
Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly
pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day
a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews...
gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the
results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the
countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies,
competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room
their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more >difficult.
People aren't always too forthcoming on how their design works, or how
they manufacture their hardware.
The most reliable way of making a competitive product is to tool up to
make ten times as many of them as you biggest competitor does -
typically you can make your product for half the unit price of theirs,
but it only works if the market can buy up the extra production.
Long established products tend to use old-fashioned components, and you
can often do well by swapping in more modern parts, if you can be
confident that they will work.
I suspect that most EE students would struggle with that sort of problem.
When I joined Cambridge Instruments they'd done that sort of exercise on >their bread-and-butter electron microscope, but they'd use their second >string engineers to do the detail design, and it hadn't gone well.
I got dragged into a six month clean-up program, but while we did solve
all the problems, sometimes we had to use rather more expensive
components than we could have got away if we'd been designing from scratch.
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased >American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought - >correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the >mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him
the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day
a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, >competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the
results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the
countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies,
competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be.
That's my problem, not theirs.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room
their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more
difficult.
We don't compete on price.
People aren't always too forthcoming on how their design works, or how
they manufacture their hardware.
If we are curious about that, sometimes we buy one on ebay. Or rent
one.
The most reliable way of making a competitive product is to tool up to
make ten times as many of them as you biggest competitor does -
typically you can make your product for half the unit price of theirs,
but it only works if the market can buy up the extra production.
We don't compete on price.
Long established products tend to use old-fashioned components, and you
can often do well by swapping in more modern parts, if you can be
confident that they will work.
I suspect that most EE students would struggle with that sort of problem.
That's my problem, not theirs.
Bill Sloman, SydneyWhen I joined Cambridge Instruments they'd done that sort of exercise on
their bread-and-butter electron microscope, but they'd use their second
string engineers to do the detail design, and it hadn't gone well.
I got dragged into a six month clean-up program, but while we did solve
all the problems, sometimes we had to use rather more expensive
components than we could have got away if we'd been designing from scratch. --
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased
American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought -
correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the
mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him
the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
The big driver of income inequality is immigration, legal and
otherwise.
Rich people get maids and dog walkers and lots of cheap employees. Working-class people get underbid and lose their jobs.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the
results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the
countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
Longest link posted!! 297 characters ;-)
Just use:
https://www.sf.gov/location--alemany-farmers-market
Sure we have similar things, I stroll the market in Leeuwarden every few weeks here.
Last week it was many cheese stands... All sorts of cheese.
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies,
competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
We realy need a 'replicator' and a machine like used to 'beam me up Scotty'
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the
results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the
countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies,
competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should
design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to >>>> assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good
deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be.
That's my problem, not theirs.
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room
their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more
difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
People aren't always too forthcoming on how their design works, or how
they manufacture their hardware.
If we are curious about that, sometimes we buy one on ebay. Or rent
one.
But then you have to work out what they actually do. and how they do it.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:32:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:That's my problem, not theirs.
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>>>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>>>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>>>> results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the
countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover >>>>> stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>>>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies,
competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should >>>>> design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to >>>>> assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good >>>>> deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be. >>>
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room
their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more
difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
Certainly that matters. But we mostly do unusual things that have no
obvious competition. About half our business is OEM mixed-function
gear.
People aren't always too forthcoming on how their design works, or how >>>> they manufacture their hardware.
If we are curious about that, sometimes we buy one on ebay. Or rent
one.
But then you have to work out what they actually do. and how they do it.
We pretty much know that already. I'm mostly curious about
construction.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ck8akj973g6gnmruddzpq/FP_1.jpg?rlkey=gaxknr0i6t1qjmgctngwuw384&raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lq3m0xpc704us2hn59nfd/DSC06740.JPG?rlkey=9kofe5tnjblh2t06jqvyswicf&raw=1
Why melfs?
Packaging is 50% of electronic design. The other 60% is thermal.
Those "warranty void" stickers are sold by Amazon by the reel, easily replaced on rentals.
One of the boards in that box is signed by a guy that I fired.
On 28/12/2025 6:08 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:32:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:That's my problem, not theirs.
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>>>>>> pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>>>>>> a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>>>>> results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >>>>>> countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover >>>>>> stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews... >>>>>>>> gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole.
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, >>>>>> competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should >>>>>> design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to >>>>>> assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good >>>>>> deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be. >>>>
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room >>>>> their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more
difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
Certainly that matters. But we mostly do unusual things that have no
obvious competition. About half our business is OEM mixed-function
gear.
Sold to people who haven't got enough sense to buy two special purpose
boxes and combine their outputs.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly >>>>pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas,
butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new
one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day >>>>a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >>countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover
stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
Longest link posted!! 297 characters ;-)
Just use:
https://www.sf.gov/location--alemany-farmers-market
Sure we have similar things, I stroll the market in Leeuwarden every few weeks here.
Last week it was many cheese stands... All sorts of cheese.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 15:03:21 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/2025 6:08 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:32:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:That's my problem, not theirs.
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-) >>>>>>>>>> Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly
pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas, >>>>>>>> butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day
a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>>>>>> results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >>>>>>> countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover >>>>>>> stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews...
gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole. >>>>>>>>>
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, >>>>>>> competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should >>>>>>> design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to >>>>>>> assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good >>>>>>> deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be. >>>>>
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room >>>>>> their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more >>>>>> difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
Certainly that matters. But we mostly do unusual things that have no
obvious competition. About half our business is OEM mixed-function
gear.
Sold to people who haven't got enough sense to buy two special purpose
boxes and combine their outputs. When I worked in the science workshop at Nijmegen university, most the requests for instrument development got solved that way. Academics tend to be very well-informed in their areas of interest, but less so about the tools they might use.
Gosh, I never thought of that. It follows that there's no need to ever
design anything ever again.
Thanks for the enlightment.
On 30/12/2025 4:50 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 15:03:21 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/2025 6:08 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:32:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-)
Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly
pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas, >>>>>>>>> butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day
a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>>>>>>> results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >>>>>>>> countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover >>>>>>>> stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews...
gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole. >>>>>>>>>>
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, >>>>>>>> competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should >>>>>>>> design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to >>>>>>>> assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good >>>>>>>> deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be.
That's my problem, not theirs.
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room >>>>>>> their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more >>>>>>> difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
Certainly that matters. But we mostly do unusual things that have no
obvious competition. About half our business is OEM mixed-function
gear.
Sold to people who haven't got enough sense to buy two special purpose
boxes and combine their outputs. When I worked in the science workshop at Nijmegen university, most the requests for instrument development got solved that way. Academics tend to be very well-informed in their areas of interest, but less so about the tools they might use.
Gosh, I never thought of that. It follows that there's no need to ever
design anything ever again.
I've restored your snip, which made it clear that I didn't see it as a >universal solution - "most of" isn't "all".
Thanks for the enlightment.
You certainly do need enlightenment (as well as a spelling checker), but
do seem to be enthusiastic about evading it .
Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin wrote:
Don wrote:
john larkin wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-china-built-manhattan-project-141758929.html
Lots of ebay stuff, I suspect.
Completed in early 2025 and now undergoing testing, the
prototype fills nearly an entire factory floor. It was
built by a team of former engineers from Dutch
semiconductor giant ASML (ASML.AS), who reverse-
engineered the company's extreme ultraviolet
lithography machines or EUVs, according to two people
with knowledge of the project. ...
In April, ASML CEO Christophe Fouquet said that China
would need "many, many years" to develop such technology.
But the existence of this prototype, reported by Reuters
for the first time, suggests China may be years closer
to achieving semiconductor independence than analysts
anticipated. ...
"The aim is for China to eventually be able to make
advanced chips on machines that are entirely China-made,"
one of the people said. "China wants the United States
100% kicked out of its supply chains." ...
<https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manhattan-project-rival-west-ai-chips-2025-12-17/>
Thank you for the insights.
One sort of doubts that a Dutch or American court would fall for that
rCLreverse engineeredrCY
bit.
Courts must reckon with a nation's pilfer prerogative, a precedent set
by state sponsored Caribbean piracy. Apparently optics are the key
component. A manufactured mess may materialize, comparable to the
capacitor plague perpetrated by people with a formula but not a recipe.
--
73, Don, KB7RPU veritas _|_
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 16:09:21 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 30/12/2025 4:50 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 15:03:21 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/2025 6:08 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:32:01 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 5:49 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 04:57:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 2:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 14:50:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Anyways, my laser projector makes a nice animated Christmas tree :-)
Good food here too!
Marry Christmas!
What is Dutch food like? We have all sorts of exotic food here, mostly
pacific-asian and some african.
https://www.wellfoodrecipes.com/archives/14571
'Kerststol' I have been eating now for several days :-)
And lots of chocolate!
Apple pie too!
But lots of other stuff, pizza, French fires, grapes, bananas, >>>>>>>>>> butter cookies, mushrooms, kiwies, ketchup, olive oil, pepper, garlic, salt, chili butter..
cashew nuts, almonds, what not...
I like to cook.
But I am a vegetarian so :-) King Kong is not my tase.
And no alcohol here.
About the only european restaurants here are French. There is a new >>>>>>>>>>> one just down the block from my office: wood fired, two sittings a day
a few days a week, fixed price $140 with no tax or tips.
From $140, say 120 Euro, I can eat 2 weeks at home.. and with some household stuff included in that price.
Takes an hour to make a good meal.
No restaurants needed.
You can have stuff delivered to your place, but I usually go to the supermarket.
Some people enjoy the process of cooking, but I don't. I cook for the >>>>>>>>> results, so go for low-labor meals.
We have a Saturday morning farmers' market nearby. People from the >>>>>>>>> countryside truck stuff in. It's fun, very seasonal, and we discover >>>>>>>>> stuff that doesn't show up in supermarkets.
https://www.google.com/search?udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZjSkgYzz5-5RrRWAIniWd7j4jAbfP6gK4c9mvkBa5lsmjB8jBszw-BmBaEZMMOFI59wn3PZ0ajqN-Ch3iqHV2VYgL0wUbaaGUAOEtDpmdTClcDdJ2LN5LSg4dYfAJltfSBiSscZeQicIg6fF3a2O_WACCuEg5mMZa6NCSzp4b30bhY0LpQSm-v8bj1IVTgRfmT22g2Q&q=alemany+farmers+market&sa=X
They have food trucks too. Mo likes the MoMos.
https://www.la-cigale-sf.com/home
There's a Maylasian place near our house that gets fabulous reviews...
gotta try that.
The only original American cuisines are bbq and cajun-creole. >>>>>>>>>>>
Enjoy the holidays! Eat too much!
Been coding all morning...
I'm working on a plan to research new products, study technologies, >>>>>>>>> competitors specs and pricing, estimate markets, decide if we should >>>>>>>>> design something. I have 15 topics so far and need to find a person to
assign each to. I'm planning to offer some EE students a really good >>>>>>>>> deal to do a few.
They'll need to be able to work out how competent your designs might be.
That's my problem, not theirs.
Dream on.
Competitor specifications are one thing, but estimating how much room >>>>>>>> their design leaves for a cheaper competitive design is a bit more >>>>>>>> difficult.
We don't compete on price.
So you imagine that you compete on quality.
Certainly that matters. But we mostly do unusual things that have no >>>>> obvious competition. About half our business is OEM mixed-function
gear.
Sold to people who haven't got enough sense to buy two special purpose >>>> boxes and combine their outputs. When I worked in the science workshop at Nijmegen university, most the requests for instrument development got solved that way. Academics tend to be very well-informed in their areas of interest, but less so about the tools they might use.
Gosh, I never thought of that. It follows that there's no need to ever
design anything ever again.
I've restored your snip, which made it clear that I didn't see it as a
universal solution - "most of" isn't "all".
Thanks for the enlightment.
You certainly do need enlightenment (as well as a spelling checker), but
do seem to be enthusiastic about evading it .
One problem with buying and connecting boxes is the connections. Most
any port-port connection will waste microseconds or milliseconds per transaction, and be a huge hassle to program.
And buying a bunch of boxes gets big and expensive.
In many of our products, we can have a 75-cent dual-core ARM processor
do things like acquisition, filtering, calibration, control loops,
output. That's for slow stuff. The more interesting cases are done in
an FPGA, where we can do serious stuff in nanoseconds.
I'm running my 50-cent DDS synthesizer at 220 MHz in a $9 FPGA. It
would probably go faster but it test benches at 220M. The test benches
are super conservative.
Your spelling isn't perfect either. Being pedantic about the
occasional typing error is plain fat-headed.
The book was published in 2009, well before Trump had developed his
political ambitions.
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased >American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought -
correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the >mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him
the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
His career as businessman fell apart because his deals didn't deliver
what he promised. His first term as president wasn't the disaster that
it might have been because he was surrounded by people who more or less
knew what they were doing. He's got a much more subservient staff this
time around, and does seem to be doing a lot more damage.
He has backed off from some of his more hare-brained tariffs so it isn't >clear how much damage he will end up doing, but he does seem to be
intent on wrecking the American economy, and the side effects on the
world economy are going to be nasty.
Bill Sloman Sydney
In article <10imefd$2ohp5$5@dont-email.me>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
The book was published in 2009, well before Trump had developed his >>political ambitions.
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased >>American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought - >>correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the >>mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him >>the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
His career as businessman fell apart because his deals didn't deliver
what he promised. His first term as president wasn't the disaster that
it might have been because he was surrounded by people who more or less >>knew what they were doing. He's got a much more subservient staff this
time around, and does seem to be doing a lot more damage.
He has backed off from some of his more hare-brained tariffs so it isn't >>clear how much damage he will end up doing, but he does seem to be
intent on wrecking the American economy, and the side effects on the
world economy are going to be nasty.
The intent of the Ukrain war is to destroy the EU (mission accomplished)
and Russia (not so much).
Maybe Trump is a blessing in disguise. He sped up an alternative world
order around BRICS, that promises to work better than the USA hegemony. >Lately even India saw its GDP rising. IMF is on the retreat.
The Chinese promote development, instead of civil wars.
In article <10imefd$2ohp5$5@dont-email.me>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
The book was published in 2009, well before Trump had developed his
political ambitions.
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased
American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought -
correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the
mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him
the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
His career as businessman fell apart because his deals didn't deliver
what he promised. His first term as president wasn't the disaster that
it might have been because he was surrounded by people who more or less
knew what they were doing. He's got a much more subservient staff this
time around, and does seem to be doing a lot more damage.
He has backed off from some of his more hare-brained tariffs so it isn't
clear how much damage he will end up doing, but he does seem to be
intent on wrecking the American economy, and the side effects on the
world economy are going to be nasty.
The intent of the Ukrain war is to destroy the EU (mission accomplished)
and Russia (not so much).
Maybe Trump is a blessing in disguise. He sped up an alternative world
order around BRICS, that promises to work better than the USA hegemony. Lately even India saw its GDP rising. IMF is on the retreat.
The Chinese promote development, instead of civil wars.
It looks that is more profitable in the longer run.
A good example is Indonesia. Formerly they exported 8 billion US$
if nickel ore. Now they export 24 billion US$ nickel fabricates.
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 15:34:45 +0100, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <10imefd$2ohp5$5@dont-email.me>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
The book was published in 2009, well before Trump had developed his
political ambitions.
Everything he has actually done since he got into politics has increased >>> American income inequality. The people who voted for him thought -
correctly - that the country wasn't doing enough for them - and made the >>> mistake of believing that he was going to change things in way that
would make their lives better. Trump will say anything that will get him >>> the deal he wants, and he's good at putting together plausible lies.
His career as businessman fell apart because his deals didn't deliver
what he promised. His first term as president wasn't the disaster that
it might have been because he was surrounded by people who more or less
knew what they were doing. He's got a much more subservient staff this
time around, and does seem to be doing a lot more damage.
He has backed off from some of his more hare-brained tariffs so it isn't >>> clear how much damage he will end up doing, but he does seem to be
intent on wrecking the American economy, and the side effects on the
world economy are going to be nasty.
The intent of the Ukrain war is to destroy the EU (mission accomplished)
and Russia (not so much).
The EU as a giant bureaucracy deserves some disassembly.
Russia's main exports are now death (short term) and talent (long
term, with some genetic component.)
I'm looking for talent and meeting lots of russian expats here. Just
hired one; we had an interview that extended to six hours, until we
both had to leave. We are both interested in photonics and
deconvolution.
Maybe Trump is a blessing in disguise. He sped up an alternative world
order around BRICS, that promises to work better than the USA hegemony.
Lately even India saw its GDP rising. IMF is on the retreat.
He's not a charming personality for sure, but he is breaking up a lot
of static friction.
The Chinese promote development, instead of civil wars.
And thuggery and torture.
In article <20251224b@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin wrote:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-china-built-manhattan-project-141758929.html
Don wrote:
john larkin wrote:
<https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manhattan-project-rival-west-ai-chips-2025-12-17/>
Lots of ebay stuff, I suspect.
Completed in early 2025 and now undergoing testing, the
prototype fills nearly an entire factory floor. It was
built by a team of former engineers from Dutch
semiconductor giant ASML (ASML.AS), who reverse-
engineered the company's extreme ultraviolet
lithography machines or EUVs, according to two people
with knowledge of the project. ...
In April, ASML CEO Christophe Fouquet said that China
would need "many, many years" to develop such technology.
But the existence of this prototype, reported by Reuters
for the first time, suggests China may be years closer
to achieving semiconductor independence than analysts
anticipated. ...
"The aim is for China to eventually be able to make
advanced chips on machines that are entirely China-made,"
one of the people said. "China wants the United States
100% kicked out of its supply chains." ...
Thank you for the insights.
One sort of doubts that a Dutch or American court would fall for that
rCLreverse engineeredrCY
bit.
Courts must reckon with a nation's pilfer prerogative, a precedent set
by state sponsored Caribbean piracy. Apparently optics are the key
component. A manufactured mess may materialize, comparable to the
capacitor plague perpetrated by people with a formula but not a recipe.
Enforcing (maybe bogus) patents hinges in the end on military power.
Lately the tables are turned.
On 1/01/2026 1:08 am, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <20251224b@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin wrote:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-china-built-manhattan-project-141758929.html
Don wrote:
john larkin wrote:
<https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manhattan-project-rival-west-ai-chips-2025-12-17/>
Lots of ebay stuff, I suspect.
Completed in early 2025 and now undergoing testing, the
prototype fills nearly an entire factory floor. It was
built by a team of former engineers from Dutch
semiconductor giant ASML (ASML.AS), who reverse-
engineered the company's extreme ultraviolet
lithography machines or EUVs, according to two people
with knowledge of the project. ...
In April, ASML CEO Christophe Fouquet said that China
would need "many, many years" to develop such technology.
But the existence of this prototype, reported by Reuters
for the first time, suggests China may be years closer
to achieving semiconductor independence than analysts
anticipated. ...
"The aim is for China to eventually be able to make
advanced chips on machines that are entirely China-made,"
one of the people said. "China wants the United States
100% kicked out of its supply chains." ...
Thank you for the insights.
One sort of doubts that a Dutch or American court would fall for that
oreverse engineeredo
bit.
Courts must reckon with a nation's pilfer prerogative, a precedent set
by state sponsored Caribbean piracy. Apparently optics are the key
component. A manufactured mess may materialize, comparable to the
capacitor plague perpetrated by people with a formula but not a recipe.
Enforcing (maybe bogus) patents hinges in the end on military power.
Lately the tables are turned.
Blumlein invented and patented modern television at EMI in the 1930's.
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