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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s kirjoitti 7.2.2026 klo 8.05:> On 6.2.2026 20.09, TT w=

rote:>> Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s kirjoitti 6.2.2026 klo 13.51:>>> Finland has ur= ged U.S. officials not to describe future security >>> pledges to a postwar=
Ukraine as =E2=80=9CArticle 5-like,=E2=80=9D implying that doing >>> so co= uld undercut the mutual defense clause at the heart of the NATO >>> militar=
y alliance, according to a State Department cable obtained by >>> POLITICO.= >>>>>> The Jan. 20 cable hints at worries in some corners over the labels >=

used during peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow. They show how >>> sensi= tive some phrases can be in the national security realm, even >>> when offi= cials are merely trying to offer an analogy to various >>> audiences.>>>>>>=

According to the cable, sent from the U.S. Embassy in Helsinki to >>> Wash= ington, Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen discussed the >>> issue on = Jan. 19 with U.S. Reps. Jack Bergman (R-Mich.) and Sarah >>> Elfreth (D- Md= .), both of whom are members of the House Armed >>> Services Committee.>>> = Valtonen underscored Finland=E2=80=99s view that Russia is a =E2=80=9Clong-= term >>> strategic threat=E2=80=9D and cautioned against a =E2=80=9Cweak=E2= =80=9D peace deal for >>> Ukraine that would hinder its ability to defend i= tself against future >>> Russian aggression, the cable states.>>>>>> But Va= ltonen cautioned against any suggestions of =E2=80=9CArticle 5-like=E2=80=
=9D >>> security guarantees in a postwar Ukraine, the cable adds. She warne=
d >>> that it risked conflating NATO=E2=80=99s Article 5 guarantees with wh= atever >>> bilateral promises are made to Ukraine. It also quotes her as sa= ying >>> there should be a =E2=80=9Cfirewall=E2=80=9D between NATO and futu=
re security >>> guarantees to Ukraine. Finland=E2=80=99s defense minister m= ade similar points >>> in a later meeting, according to the cable.>>>>>> Th=
e documents=E2=80=99 contents offer insight into concerns voiced by other >=

Finnish leaders who have said that, while they want to help Ukraine >>> = protect itself, the concept of a security =E2=80=9Cguarantee=E2=80=9D is a = more >>> serious matter they=E2=80=99re not ready to agree to just yet.>>>>=
A Finnish official said Valtonen=E2=80=99s office wouldn=E2=80=99t comme=

nt on >>> confidential discussions, though underscored Helsinki=E2=80=99s l= ong-standing >>> goal of eventually accepting Ukraine into the NATO allianc= e.>>>>>> https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/04/dont-mention-article-5- >=

finland- warns-us-on-ukraine-00766043>>>>>> Lol. Exceptional pussyfootin= g.>>>>>> Finnskies made a bigus dealus of the "Coalition of the Willing". T=

he >>> coalition of small cats willing to guarantee a fair and lasting peac=
e >>> for Ukraine.>>>>>> "The coalition of the willing (CoW) is a coalition=
of 34 countries >>> (plus Ukraine)[14][15][16] that have pledged strengthe= ned support for >>> Ukraine against Russian aggression, going further than = the support >>> delivered by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group by pledging = readiness >>> to be part of a peacekeeping force deployed on Ukrainian terr= itory, >>> either by providing troops or contributing in other ways.">>>>>>=
As Wiki puts it.>>>>>> Finnskies clearly panicked when Trump took this CoW=
business at face >>> value in one of the drafts for peace. A draft that me= ntioned Finland >>> explicitly as one of the guarantors of peace. That's wh=
en a Finnskie >>> froze and decided "nuff of this talk the talk shit. Mum's=
the word >>> hereon".>>>>>> Now, the Finnish FM is telling people privatel=
y in Washington: "Yeah. >>> You guessed it. We didn't mean what we said. Bu=
t the 5th means 5th, >>> right?">>>>>> Interestingly enuff, this article is=
dated 4th of Feb. In the two >>> days since, I haven't seen a word of this=
in the Finnish press. Yep, >>> it's a bit embarrassing.>>>>>>> You just do= n't understand Finns. Seems that Politico does:>> =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m gues= sing the Finns don=E2=80=99t want to overpromise and under-deliver,=E2=80=
=9D >> Ellehuus said.>>>> ...I most of the time disagree with everything Va= ltonen the foreign >> minister says... but she has a point on not talking a= bout "article 5" >> with Ukraine because the term is strictly NATO-specific=
, no?> > Finland was brave and willing until they saw their name mentioned =
in a > draft for a peace agreement and realised what to be "willing" meant.=

Then they suddenly became less "willing".> > Lol.> I understand that the=

y put Finland on the short list on giving security guarantees with France, = UK, Germany and Poland (none of those countries having border with Russia)=
without even telling us.Damn sure it can't be article 5 type guarantees wi= thout first voting in Finnish parliament etc. Also, not very practical for = Finland going to war against Russia in Ukraine... maybe we should just stra= ight attack to Leningrad or Moscow through our border?



You're not fooling anyone.=20
Now you want to pretend you're not aggressors.


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