• President Trump wants to rename American football: 'We have to come up with another name for the NFL'

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    A great man, as I said many times.

    Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.
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    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.htmlA great man, as I said many times.Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html





    Why not just use real word?


    It's rugby.

    Essentially it's armoured rugby.

    American rugby if you like.


    But you would need standalone name so wjs not just go with rugby and own it?


    Same way (lawn) tennis took away name tennis and post facto caused (real) tennis to be named real tennis?


    If you just went openly and brazenly with rugby, you'd force British to come up with something else for their original rugby.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 7 08:34:44 2025
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    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html



    A great man, as I said many times.

    Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.

    You realize he only said that because he was bribed with a "FIFA
    peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, right?
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    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>> A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on everyone's head and named it football?
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 7 09:53:59 2025
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    On 12/7/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>> A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on everyone's head and named it football?






    No, makes no sense.

    What it is, is lethalized rugby. It is much less so today, but all the
    armor, and especially helmets, and the forward pass, allowed the
    evolution of extremely violent unarmed physical contact, at speed.

    The physics are pretty nasty.
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    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 12/7/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote=
    in message:r>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> https://sports.= yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-= we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>> A great=
    man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit their subjects' m= istakes.You realize he only said that because he was bribed with a "FIFA pe= ace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, right?> > > > First time winners ar=
    e remembered forever, lol.> > > No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took r= ugby, put helmets on everyone's head and named it football?> > > > > No, ma= kes no sense.What it is, is lethalized rugby. It is much less so today, but=
    all the armor, and especially helmets, and the forward pass, allowed the e= volution of extremely violent unarmed physical contact, at speed.The physic=
    s are pretty nasty.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




    Trump is pretty much trolling all the time, he's a very humorous guy but I = get his point.

    Trump wants to be first at everything.
    He understands.


    Despite Olympics, US will never be "absolutely great" at the global sportin=
    g stage while being pariah in world sports with your kind of football, you = can never capitalize globally on that.=20

    Out of your big 4 sports, football, basketball, hockey and baseball, basket= ball and hockey are more global.

    It's very funny considering US exported its culture globally but they could= n't do that with all sports and so you ended up isolated when it comes to m= ost popular. I'm not saying you feel the isolation either, Superbowl is big=
    I guess.

    But effectively you're outside of the mainstream, that's the point.

    FIFA football is world's main sport.

    It's like English language, London Greenwich meridian, stuff like that, eve= ryone's on board.





    World cups

    5 - Brasil
    4 - Italy, Germany
    3 - Argentina
    2 - Uruguay, France
    1 - England, Spain=20


    You'll notice these teams sporting a star on their shirt representing numbe=
    r of titles.


    https://www.tfcfootball.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/FJ4270-706-2-1229= x1536.png



    Uruguay has 4 stars, they won Olympics in 1924 and 1928 twice before FIFA s= tarted world cup in 1930, and they won the inaugural world cup and the othe=
    r one in 1950.=20

    It's sort of like amateurs/pro/open era split in tennis. Those Olympics the=
    y won were also official titles so FIFA let's them use 4 stars.

    Fun trivia.

    So it's 4 in total, but ancient kinda. But they were 3rd in 2010 so they're=
    not total journeymen all these years. They're just too small.



    https://www.reddit.com/r/futbol/comments/1oa225i/as%C3%AD_ser%C3%ADa_la_cam= iseta_titular_de_uruguay_para_el/?tl=3Den







    --=20




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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 7 16:03:16 2025
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    On 12/7/25 2:17 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 12/7/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>> A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, right?> > > > First time winners are remembered forever, lol.> > > No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on everyone's head and named it football?> > > > > No, makes no sense.What it is, is lethalized rugby. It is much less so today, but all the armor, and especially helmets, and the forward pass, allowed the evolution of extremely violent unarmed physical contact, at speed.The physics are pretty nasty.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




    Trump is pretty much trolling all the time, he's a very humorous guy but I get his point.

    Trump wants to be first at everything.
    He understands.


    Despite Olympics, US will never be "absolutely great" at the global sporting stage while being pariah in world sports with your kind of football, you can never capitalize globally on that.

    Out of your big 4 sports, football, basketball, hockey and baseball, basketball and hockey are more global.

    It's very funny considering US exported its culture globally but they couldn't do that with all sports and so you ended up isolated when it comes to most popular. I'm not saying you feel the isolation either, Superbowl is big I guess.

    But effectively you're outside of the mainstream, that's the point.

    FIFA football is world's main sport.

    It's like English language, London Greenwich meridian, stuff like that, everyone's on board.





    World cups

    5 - Brasil
    4 - Italy, Germany
    3 - Argentina
    2 - Uruguay, France
    1 - England, Spain


    You'll notice these teams sporting a star on their shirt representing number of titles.


    https://www.tfcfootball.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/FJ4270-706-2-1229x1536.png



    Uruguay has 4 stars, they won Olympics in 1924 and 1928 twice before FIFA started world cup in 1930, and they won the inaugural world cup and the other one in 1950.

    It's sort of like amateurs/pro/open era split in tennis. Those Olympics they won were also official titles so FIFA let's them use 4 stars.

    Fun trivia.

    So it's 4 in total, but ancient kinda. But they were 3rd in 2010 so they're not total journeymen all these years. They're just too small.



    https://www.reddit.com/r/futbol/comments/1oa225i/as%C3%AD_ser%C3%ADa_la_camiseta_titular_de_uruguay_para_el/?tl=en


    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a
    point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 7 16:13:29 2025
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    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can
    admit their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that
    because he was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that
    obsequious dickhead, right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it. Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL. If he has the opportunity
    to knock the NFL in some way he'll do it. FIFA bribes with fake
    prizes nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just
    greases the wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to
    anything else.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 7 16:14:14 2025
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    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can
    admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because
    he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious
    dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it. Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL. If he has the
    opportunity to
    knock the NFL in some way he'll do it. FIFA bribes with fake
    prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases
    the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to
    anything
    else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Dec 8 09:10:08 2025
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    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:


    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of
    this
    discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its
    own
    world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in
    the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made
    it a
    point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its
    political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.

    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him? TBH, if
    anyone else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're
    frantically searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's
    weaknesses.
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Dec 8 20:14:58 2025
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    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:


    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this
    discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own
    world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a
    point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.

    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if anyone else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically searching
    for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres.

    What's your point? It's unclear.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Dec 9 07:30:39 2025
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    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context
    of this
    discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in
    its own
    world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here,
    in the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who
    made it a
    point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its
    political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if
    anyone
    else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're
    frantically
    searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a
    pres.

    What's your point? It's unclear.

    Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and
    generally just act in a way that is purely motivated by self
    interest. So, what did you think Obama was going to do for you?
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Dec 9 09:17:52 2025
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    On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this
    discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own
    world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a
    point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if anyone
    else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically
    searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres.

    What's your point? It's unclear.

    Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and generally just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest.-a So, what
    did you think Obama was going to do for you?

    Fair enough. Also clear...

    I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elected office in
    the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities were open to
    black people. That the idea of active and current systematic white vs
    black official racism was dead.

    If I thought about it at all, I thought he'd continue international
    relations more-or-less as they had evolved since WWII.
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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Dec 9 17:26:14 2025
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    In article <10h9lk0$ut4a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this >>>>> discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own
    world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the
    biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a >>>>> point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political
    allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if anyone
    else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically
    searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres.

    What's your point? It's unclear.

    Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and generally
    just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest.-a So, what
    did you think Obama was going to do for you?

    Fair enough. Also clear...

    I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elected office in
    the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities were open to
    black people. That the idea of active and current systematic white vs
    black official racism was dead.

    If I thought about it at all, I thought he'd continue international >relations more-or-less as they had evolved since WWII.

    Are you saying you don't think he did? I thought he basically did, Saw.
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Dec 9 11:52:04 2025
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    On 12/9/25 9:26 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <10h9lk0$ut4a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this >>>>>> discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own >>>>>> world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the >>>>>> biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a >>>>>> point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political >>>>>> allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if anyone >>>>> else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically
    searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres.

    What's your point? It's unclear.

    Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and generally >>> just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest.-a So, what
    did you think Obama was going to do for you?

    Fair enough. Also clear...

    I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elected office in
    the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities were open to
    black people. That the idea of active and current systematic white vs
    black official racism was dead.

    If I thought about it at all, I thought he'd continue international
    relations more-or-less as they had evolved since WWII.

    Are you saying you don't think he did? I thought he basically did, Saw.

    I talked about two things and not sure which you refer to, so I'll try answering both.

    1. Demonstrated that political power was open to black americans to the highest level. Yes. He did that.

    2. Continue relations as since WWII.

    No, I think he tried to level the playing field by consciously lessening
    the status of the US vis-a-vis other world nations. He did this by
    deferring somewhat to local custom, etc. So that changed over time.

    Prior to Obama, the US was still the perceived victor of WWII. For a
    while we exerted actually hegemony everywhere except the USSR, who was a distant 2nd, and China, which was emerging from subsistence farming.
    This gradually eroded to simply *implied* hegemony--more implied threat
    than actual threat, with a few demonstrations thrown in.

    Obama basically buried that idea slowly.

    No implied judgement here, only observations. You can decide for
    yourself. There is no right or wrong, just coming out as well as each individual finds satisfactory.
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    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 12/9/25 9:26 AM, bmoore wrote:> In article <10h9lk0$ut4a$1@dont-email.=
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:>> On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise=
    wrote:>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>> On 12/8/25 10:10 A=
    M, jdeluise wrote:>>>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>>>>>> F=
    or most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this>>>>>> = discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own>>>>>> w= orld.>>>>>>>>>>>> That this is changing, led by the progressive movement he= re, in the>>>>>> biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who=
    made it a>>>>>> point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its p= olitical>>>>>> allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.>>>>> What did you=
    expect he'd do when you voted for him? TBH, if anyone>>>>> else wrote thi=
    s I'd say they would look like they're frantically>>>>> searching for ways =
    to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.>>>>>>>> I voted for Obama in 2008. T= hat was the last time I voted for a pres.>>>>>>>> What's your point? It's u= nclear.>>>>>> Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates an=
    d generally>>> just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest.=
    So, what>>> did you think Obama was going to do for you?>>>> Fair enough.=
    Also clear...>>>> I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elec= ted office in>> the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities wer=
    e open to>> black people. That the idea of active and current systematic wh= ite vs>> black official racism was dead.>>>> If I thought about it at all, =
    I thought he'd continue international>> relations more-or-less as they had = evolved since WWII.> > Are you saying you don't think he did? I thought he = basically did, Saw.I talked about two things and not sure which you refer t=
    o, so I'll try answering both.1. Demonstrated that political power was open=
    to black americans to the highest level. Yes. He did that.2. Continue rela= tions as since WWII.No, I think he tried to level the playing field by cons= ciously lessening the status of the US vis-a-vis other world nations. He di=
    d this by deferring somewhat to local custom, etc. So that changed over ti= me.Prior to Obama, the US was still the perceived victor of WWII. For a whi=
    le we exerted actually hegemony everywhere except the USSR, who was a dista=
    nt 2nd, and China, which was emerging from subsistence farming. This gradua= lly eroded to simply *implied* hegemony--more implied threat than actual th= reat, with a few demonstrations thrown in.Obama basically buried that idea = slowly.No implied judgement here, only observations. You can decide for you= rself. There is no right or wrong, just coming out as well as each individu=
    al finds satisfactory.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




    I disagree?

    Obama commited war crimes in Libya with regime change there, murder of hono= urable colonel Gaddafi also he incited Syrian civil war by arming jihadists=
    in both countries.

    His assassination of Osama bin Laden and his *family* is a both crime and a=
    sin, no different than Trump executing defenslses people in boats. Neither=
    tried to arrest the "criminals" so neither holds moral high ground.=20

    Secret CIA kidnapping of people around the world and putting them in tortur=
    e places, that continued under Obama did it not, and that's more hard core = than Gestapo. Germans at least often issued notes after arrest?

    So Obama was just neocon light perhaps he wasn't as strongly on board with = everything Bush did but essentially little difference.=20


    So I think he did behave as hegemon, it's just that his USA wasn't perhaps =
    as harsh verbally to US vassals (allies), he preferred to leave impression = that "they're all partners". His America was just an empty PR as he was him= self.

    Trump OTOH prefers to leave the impression that he's the top dog, so he cho= oses to bully vassals, other than that, I see no effective difference.

    Trump cares more about Europe at a deeper level, obviously, but at the same=
    time, he would rip us sooner.=20



    As for Obama win signaling blacks can achieve anything, how is that a thing=
    ? He isn't home grown US negro from the ghettos, I'm sure there are some, b=
    ut his story of his success is actually the opposite of what such story was=
    supposed to convey?

    He's effectively a white boy with a dad from Africa who was sort of elite t= here so Obama was pretty much well oiled from both sides.

    His success speaks nothing of socio-economic improvements for US negroes, u= nless we're to analyse all of it with a 4-year old state of mind, "he has d= ark skin" so wow?



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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Wed Dec 10 16:55:36 2025
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    In article <10h9ul4$1245g$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 12/9/25 9:26 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <10h9lk0$ut4a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this >>>>>>> discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own >>>>>>> world.

    That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the >>>>>>> biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a >>>>>>> point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political >>>>>>> allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.
    What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him?-a TBH, if anyone >>>>>> else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically
    searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.

    I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres. >>>>>
    What's your point? It's unclear.

    Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and generally >>>> just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest.-a So, what >>>> did you think Obama was going to do for you?

    Fair enough. Also clear...

    I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elected office in
    the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities were open to
    black people. That the idea of active and current systematic white vs
    black official racism was dead.

    If I thought about it at all, I thought he'd continue international
    relations more-or-less as they had evolved since WWII.

    Are you saying you don't think he did? I thought he basically did, Saw.

    I talked about two things and not sure which you refer to, so I'll try >answering both.

    1. Demonstrated that political power was open to black americans to the >highest level. Yes. He did that.

    2. Continue relations as since WWII.

    No, I think he tried to level the playing field by consciously lessening
    the status of the US vis-a-vis other world nations. He did this by
    deferring somewhat to local custom, etc. So that changed over time.

    Prior to Obama, the US was still the perceived victor of WWII. For a
    while we exerted actually hegemony everywhere except the USSR, who was a >distant 2nd, and China, which was emerging from subsistence farming.
    This gradually eroded to simply *implied* hegemony--more implied threat
    than actual threat, with a few demonstrations thrown in.

    Obama basically buried that idea slowly.

    No implied judgement here, only observations. You can decide for
    yourself. There is no right or wrong, just coming out as well as each >individual finds satisfactory.

    I was referring to 2. Interesting discussion.


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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Wed Dec 10 09:53:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    On 12/9/25 2:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 12/9/25 9:26 AM, bmoore wrote:> In article <10h9lk0$ut4a$1@dont-email.me>,> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:>> On 12/9/25 8:30 AM, jdeluise wrote:>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>> On 12/8/25 10:10 AM, jdeluise wrote:>>>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>>>>>> For most of my life, looking back, considering in the context of this>>>>>> discussion, the US basically made its own reality, lived in its own>>>>>> world.>>>>>>>>>>>> That this is changing, led by the progressive movement here, in the>>>>>> biggest source of cultural tension ever since Obama I, who made it a>>>>>> point to bring the US onto a more equal footing with its political>>>>>> allies. Hence, half-bowing to sheiks, etc.>>>>> What did you expect he'd do when you voted for him? TBH, if anyone>>>>> else wrote this I'd say they would look like they're frantically>>>>> searching for ways to blame Obama for Trump's weaknesses.>>>>>>>> I voted for Obama in 2008. That was the last time I voted for a pres.>>>>>>>> What's your point? It's unclear.>>>>>> Well you've talked a lot about how you vote for candidates and generally>>> just act in a way that is purely motivated by self interest. So, what>>> did you think Obama was going to do for you?>>>> Fair enough. Also clear...>>>> I thought he would, by his ascension to the highest elected office in>> the US, concretely demonstrate that *all* possibilities were open to>> black people. That the idea of active and current systematic white vs>> black official racism was dead.>>>> If I thought about it at all, I thought he'd continue international>> relations more-or-less as they had evolved since WWII.> > Are you saying you don't think he did? I thought he basically did, Saw.I talked about two things and not sure which you refer to, so I'll try answering both.1. Demonstrated that political power was open to black americans to the highest level. Yes. He did that.2. Continue relations as since WWII.No, I think he tried to level the playing field by consciously lessening the status of the US vis-a-vis other world nations. He did this by deferring somewhat to local custom, etc. So that changed over time.Prior to Obama, the US was still the perceived victor of WWII. For a while we exerted actually hegemony everywhere except the USSR, who was a distant 2nd, and China, which was emerging from subsistence farming. This gradually eroded to simply *implied* hegemony--more implied threat than actual threat, with a few demonstrations thrown in.Obama basically buried that idea slowly.No implied judgement here, only observations. You can decide for yourself. There is no right or wrong, just coming out as well as each individual finds satisfactory.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




    I disagree?

    Obama commited war crimes in Libya with regime change there, murder of honourable colonel Gaddafi also he incited Syrian civil war by arming jihadists in both countries.

    His assassination of Osama bin Laden and his *family* is a both crime and a sin, no different than Trump executing defenslses people in boats. Neither tried to arrest the "criminals" so neither holds moral high ground.

    Secret CIA kidnapping of people around the world and putting them in torture places, that continued under Obama did it not, and that's more hard core than Gestapo. Germans at least often issued notes after arrest?

    So Obama was just neocon light perhaps he wasn't as strongly on board with everything Bush did but essentially little difference.


    So I think he did behave as hegemon, it's just that his USA wasn't perhaps as harsh verbally to US vassals (allies), he preferred to leave impression that "they're all partners". His America was just an empty PR as he was himself.

    Trump OTOH prefers to leave the impression that he's the top dog, so he chooses to bully vassals, other than that, I see no effective difference.

    Trump cares more about Europe at a deeper level, obviously, but at the same time, he would rip us sooner.

    I think all of the above statements are pretty valid, so I surrender the points, with the observation that while Obama may have embraced a sort
    of continued US hegemony, he *ALSO* gave the appearance of conforming to
    the customs when meeting foreign leaders =, even if this involved a
    ritual show of subservience to their authority. THIS undermines what a
    nation who wishes to retain hegemony needs to project, which is that in
    all places and at all times the US is top dog.

    Now that I think back on it, I believe that we could see a sort of shift
    in which nations the US wanted to favor in public perception. Right away
    in his 1st term, you got this:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2009/04/did-obamas-ipod-gift-make-the-cut-020788

    This is 90 days after his 1st inauguration, April 2009, and in
    retrospect it looks like a low-key announcement of a different sort of relationship.

    Then you get this in June of 2009, a couple of months later:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2009/06/obama_unbowed_by_king_abdullah.html

    Then in November 2009, this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33978533

    So maybe he held onto imperialistic stuff but he did so much more
    selectively than former prezes. This is a pointless self-undermining of
    one's superior position. It looks like the actions of a person who does
    not understand the nature of power or how best to exercise it, or worse,
    is purposefully announcing that he'll be giving away some of the power.

    What do you think?

    An interesting aside re Trump. He is the only political leader in the US
    who does not at least attempt to make the general populace feel good.




    As for Obama win signaling blacks can achieve anything, how is that a thing? He isn't home grown US negro from the ghettos, I'm sure there are some, but his story of his success is actually the opposite of what such story was supposed to convey?

    And yet that's not how blacks here see it, I think.


    He's effectively a white boy with a dad from Africa who was sort of elite there so Obama was pretty much well oiled from both sides.

    I've heard of him referred to as "The Half-blood Prince" back in Harry
    Potter days, yes...


    His success speaks nothing of socio-economic improvements for US negroes, unless we're to analyse all of it with a 4-year old state of mind, "he has dark skin" so wow?

    Yes, that actually *IS* the way it works here.

    I've heard that in some of the east coast S American countries, and in
    the Carribean, skin shade makes a much greater difference--almost semi-official in its weight--than it does here.

    But here there's that annoying "one drop" perception. Witness Sheldon,
    Madison Keyes, etc.

    Now Paolini is pretty obviously part black. What do they make of her in Europe? What is the perception.

    Osaka WRT how the Japanese view her is a completely different kettle of fish--it operates in another universe. Let me assure you that I have
    never met anyone as routinely racially aware as the average Japanese,
    and even attentuated by a couple of generations in the US, still
    super-aware racially.

    You'll note, no doubt, that



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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Dec 11 18:15:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-
    rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-
    the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to
    knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything
    else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Dec 11 16:14:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

    On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-
    rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-
    the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can
    admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that
    because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious
    dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets
    on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the
    opportunity to
    knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake
    prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases
    the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to
    anything
    else.
    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    dumbo
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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Dec 12 14:24:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    In article <10hfmq6$2j6a5$1@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net> wrote: >On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-
    rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for-
    the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to
    knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything
    else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    traumatic brain injury


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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Dec 12 14:32:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    In article <1765549494.526568@nyx2.nyx.net>, bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    In article <10hfmq6$2j6a5$1@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net> wrote: >>On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to- >>>>>> rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for- >>>>>> the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to >>>> knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything >>>> else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    traumatic brain injury

    or maybe JD meant Tennessee Bureau of Investigation


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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Dec 12 11:12:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    On 12/12/25 6:32 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <1765549494.526568@nyx2.nyx.net>, bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
    In article <10hfmq6$2j6a5$1@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net> wrote: >>> On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to- >>>>>>> rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for- >>>>>>> the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit >>>>>>> their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he >>>>>>> was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead, >>>>>>> right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to >>>>> knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes >>>>> nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything >>>>> else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    traumatic brain injury

    or maybe JD meant Tennessee Bureau of Investigation



    Texas Barbeque Invitational?
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Dec 12 17:54:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    On 12/12/2025 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <10hfmq6$2j6a5$1@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net> wrote:
    On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-
    rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for- >>>>>> the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to >>>> knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything >>>> else.

    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    traumatic brain injury

    Ah, makes sense. I do think the NFL has been proactive enough to protect itself financially regarding worker comp.
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Dec 12 17:55:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.tennis

    On 12/11/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

    On 12/7/2025 7:14 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> writes:

    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>
    https://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/article/president-trump-wants-to-
    rename-american-football-we-have-to-come-up-with-another-name-for- >>>>>> the-nfl-181710848.html>>>>
    A great man, as I said many times.>> Only great leader can admit
    their subjects' mistakes.You realize he only said that because he
    was bribed with a "FIFA peace prize" by that obsequious dickhead,
    right?



    First time winners are remembered forever, lol.


    No seriously, isn't it dumb that you took rugby, put helmets on
    everyone's head and named it football?

    You're probably overthinking it.-a Trump has a long-standing,
    well-documented grudge against the NFL.-a If he has the opportunity to >>>> knock the NFL in some way he'll do it.-a FIFA bribes with fake prizes
    nobody else but an extreme narcissist would want just greases the
    wheels.

    There is 0 chance American football is going to be renamed to anything >>>> else.
    TBIball might be a better name though.

    TBI = ????

    dumbo

    jd, I hope your holiday season is going well!
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  • From *skriptis@skriptis@post.t-com.hr to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Dec 21 05:17:07 2025
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    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    So maybe he held onto imperialistic stuff but he did so much more selectively than former prezes. This is a pointless self-undermining of one's superior position. It looks like the actions of a person who does not understand the nature of power or how best to exercise it, or worse, is purposefully announcing that he'll be giving away some of the power. What do you think?


    Same as you do perhaps, it was combination of ignorance and deliberate attempts to "be nice".

    I assume the reason was this.

    Many of those leaders were cca 40 years older than him, Saudi king 84, Japanese 73, those were old people, I assume his common decency led to him being put in some subservient or supportive position. "Help you grandma", that sort of stuff.

    I would not speculate that he bowed to Japanese emperor (did your wife like it) in order to somehow show regret or respect for nuking them, considering public US apology is impossible. Or that he bowed to Saudi because he is Hussein himself? No.

    Japanese king is a short man so Obama tried to accommodate him almost from a point of "respecting those with handicap".

    If you think it's bad, sure ok, but the opposite, Obama using his height to make handshake uncomfortable for an old short dude is undiplomatic as well.



    In 2009 Obama was young, it sounds funny, 48-year old man is not young, but he's younger than most leaders, and more importantly diplomacy was not his forte, he had no background in it.

    I could understand him being overwhelmed with the might he carried, nuclear codes, and felt uncomfortable himself in front of old people, whom we was taught perhaps to be assistive.



    Generally he was PR boy who talks nicely so he became president, but other than few years as senator before presidency (and aren't senators supposed to be elders?) he has no classic diplomatic background.


    It's easy to get lost in all of formalities.


    I mean Trump broke protocols many times too, and deliberately too, but he at least makes effort to break protocol *at someone else's expense*, not his own.

    So that's your difference.

    Him touching Queen Elisabeth II or wearing blue suit at Pope Francis funeral are totally classless acts that weren't funny to me.

    Who the fuck wears blue suit to Pope funeral?

    But I guess the funny thing is when he pushes aside Montenegro prime minister


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIfjHNCeQQ
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