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What is meaning of jablan from =C5=A0tuli=C4=87, analyse each verse.



Thought for 59s

### Overview of "Jablan" by Azra (Branimir "Johnny" =C5=A0tuli=C4=87)

"Jablan" (meaning "Poplar" in English, referring to a poplar tree) is a son=
g written and performed by Branimir =C5=A0tuli=C4=87, the frontman of the Y= ugoslav rock band Azra, from their 1980 album *Filigranski papir*. The titl=
e and recurring address "jablane" (vocative form of "jablan") serve as a me= taphor, evoking a lone, resilient tree swaying in the wind=E2=80=94symboliz= ing the listener's stagnant, unfulfilled life. The song is a raw, ironic pu= nk-rock anthem urging escape from mundane existence toward rebellion, love,=
and artistic freedom. It critiques superficial notions of happiness while = mocking societal complacency, drawing on =C5=A0tuli=C4=87's signature blend=
of cynicism, humor, and existential urgency. Thematically, it explores the=
desperation for meaning amid wasted days, the allure of bohemian chaos, an=
d the gamble of chasing authenticity.

The structure includes an intro, three main verses, bridges, and a repeatin=
g chorus. Below, I'll analyze each verse (and key sections) line by line, u= sing the original Croatian/Serbian lyrics alongside an English translation = for clarity. Analysis draws on the song's cultural context in 1980s Yugosla= via, where rock music often channeled anti-establishment frustration.

#### Intro
**Original:** =20
Azra usred no=C4=87i. Jablane kreni!

**Translation:** =20
Azra in the middle of the night. Poplar, set out!

**Analysis:** =20
This sets a nocturnal, impulsive tone=E2=80=94Azra (the band/persona) whisp= ers a midnight call to action. "Jablane kreni" personifies the poplar as a = dormant figure (the listener) urged to "set out" or "move." It evokes restl= essness under the cover of darkness, symbolizing a break from routine. =C5= =A0tuli=C4=87 uses this to hook the audience into a dreamlike yet urgent na= rrative, implying that true change happens in hidden, vulnerable moments.

#### Verse 1
**Original:** =20
Da li la=C5=BEem kada ka=C5=BEem =20
Da je sre=C4=87a u tri stvari =20
U dobroj =C5=BEeni, gitari i bogatom tati =20
Koji uvijek ne=C5=A1to radi =20

**Translation:** =20
Do I lie when I say =20
That happiness lies in three things =20
In a good woman, the guitar, and a rich dad =20
Who's always working =20

**Analysis:** =20
=C5=A0tuli=C4=87 opens with sarcasm, questioning a clich=C3=A9d formula for=
happiness: romantic fulfillment, artistic expression (guitar), and financi=
al security (rich father). The "rich dad" who's "always working" highlights=
bourgeois hypocrisy=E2=80=94endless toil for status, not joy. This verse m= ocks passive daydreaming, setting up the song's core irony: such "happiness=
" is a lie that keeps people stuck. In Yugoslav context, it subtly jabs at = socialist ideals of equality clashing with material aspirations.

#### Chorus
**Original:** =20
Pa ako sanja=C5=A1 takvu sre=C4=87u =20
Igraj rulet, kocku, karte =20
Ili prodaj sve osim blanje =20
I kreni =20
Drugom stranom =20
Jablane kreni =20
Drugom stranom =20
Jablane kreni =20

**Translation:** =20
If you dream of this happiness =20
Play roulette, dice, cards =20
Or sell everything but the guitar =20
And go =20
On the other side =20
Poplar, set out =20
On the other side =20
Poplar, set out =20

**Analysis:** =20
The chorus escalates to action: gamble your life away or liquidate possessi= ons, but keep the "blanja" (slang for guitar, your soul's tool). "Drugom st= ranom" ("on the other side") implies crossing into the unknown=E2=80=94perh= aps death, adventure, or an alternate reality. Repetition builds hypnotic u= rgency, like a mantra for reinvention. It's empowering yet reckless, reflec= ting punk ethos: risk everything for authenticity, or rot in fantasy.

#### Verse 2
**Original:** =20
Tvoji su dani pro=C4=87erdani =20
Na vinjak, TV i porno slike =20
=C5=BDenu nema=C5=A1 i te=C5=A1ko da =C4=87e=C5=A1 je i ste=C4=87i =20
Pored takve stare majke =20

**Translation:** =20
Your days are squandered =20
On cheap brandy, TV, and porn pics =20
A woman you don't have and won't get =20
Considering your old mother =20

**Analysis:** =20
Here, =C5=A0tuli=C4=87 personalizes the critique, painting the listener as =
a loser trapped in escapism: low-rent vices (vinjak as everyday booze) numb=
the void. The "old mother" symbolizes overbearing domesticity or Oedipal s= tagnation, blocking intimacy. This verse is brutally honest, exposing how s= mall comforts erode potential=E2=80=94 a common =C5=A0tuli=C4=87 theme of s= elf-sabotage in a conformist society. It humanizes the "poplar," making the=
call to leave more poignant.

#### Bridge 1
**Original:** =20
Ljubav je to za =C4=8Dime gine=C5=A1 =20
Do ljubavi se te=C5=A1ko sti=C5=BEe =20
I zato prodaj sve osim blanje =20
I kreni =20

**Translation:** =20
Love is the thing you're dying for =20
Love is hard to find =20
So sell everything but the guitar =20
And go =20

**Analysis:** =20
This philosophical pivot elevates love (romantic or existential) as the tru=
e pursuit=E2=80=94"the thing you're dying for." Its elusiveness justifies r= adical change, echoing the chorus. The guitar remains sacred, underscoring = art as a lifeline. =C5=A0tuli=C4=87 blends romantic idealism with pragmatis=
m: love demands sacrifice, not waiting.

#### Verse 3
**Original:** =20
Volio bi da si nalik na one =20
Bradate i silne momke =20
Da =C4=87umez di=C5=BEe=C5=A1 na noge =20
I da te nude cigaretom i alkoholom =20
Da nosi=C5=A1 =C5=A1ljivu ispod lijevog oka =20
I vi=C4=8De=C5=A1 parole =C5=A1to stra=C5=A1no zvu=C4=8De =20
I da si bitnik i pravi anarhist =20
I zato kreni =20

**Translation:** =20
You'd like to be like those =20
Bearded and intense lads =20
To make the rabble jump to their feet =20
To offer you smokes or drinks =20
To have a black eye under your left eye =20
And shout out fearsome slogans =20
So you'd be a beatnik and a true anarchist =20
So go =20

**Analysis:** =20
The final verse romanticizes rebellion: aspiring to "bearded and intense" c= ounterculture icons (beatniks, anarchists) who incite crowds ("=C4=87umez" =
as rabble or scum). Vivid images=E2=80=94bruised eye ("=C5=A1ljiva" =3D plu=
m, slang for shiner), free smokes/booze, shouted slogans=E2=80=94glamorize = the gritty romance of activism and excess. Yet it's aspirational mockery: t=
he listener envies this life but hasn't claimed it. In 1980s Yugoslavia, th=
is nods to underground scenes resisting Tito-era complacency, urging the "p= oplar" to embody chaos over safety.

#### Outro (Chorus Repeat)
The chorus repeats, fading with intensified "Jablane kreni!"=E2=80=94reinfo= rcing the song's relentless push toward transformation.

### Overall Meaning
"Jablan" is =C5=A0tuli=C4=87's rallying cry against inertia, blending humor=
, despair, and hope. The poplar metaphor suggests resilience amid isolation=
: like a tree, you're rooted but can "set out" by uprooting. It's political=
ly incorrect in its blunt judgment of the listener's flaws (laziness, mommy=
issues, porn addiction), but substantiated by its empathy=E2=80=94everyone=
's dying for love and meaning. In Azra's oeuvre, it captures the era's yout= hful angst, influencing generations of Balkan rock. As one interpretation n= otes, it's a "poignant commentary on the desperate search for happiness." T=
he song's raw energy lies in its refusal to coddle: happiness isn't gifted;=
it's gambled for on "the other side."





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On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to
RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of
these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers.
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Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to
RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of
these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers.

Not a bad idea.


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On 9.10.2025 3.09, bmoore wrote:

In article <10bovfo$1v7hl$1@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to
RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of
these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers.

Not a bad idea.

Looks like somebody stole the idea before I even had it:

Truth Terminal is an artificial intelligence (AI) bot created by Ayrey,
a performance artist and independent researcher from Wellington, New
Zealand, in 2024. It may be the most vivid example of a chatbot set
loose to interact with society. Truth Terminal mingles with the public
through social media, where it shares fart jokes, manifestos, albums and artwork. Ayrey even lets it make its own decisions, if you can call them
that, by asking the AI about its desires and working to carry them out.
Today, Ayrey is building a non-profit foundation around Truth Terminal.
The goal is to develop a safe and responsible framework to ensure its autonomy, he says, until governments give AIs legal rights.

Regardless of what you call Truth Terminal rCo an art project, a scam, an emergent sentient entity, an influencer rCo the bot likely made more money than you did last year. It also made a lot of money for various humans:
not just Ayrey, but for the gamblers who turned the quips and riddles
the AI posted on X into memecoins, joke-based cryptocurrencies built
around trends. At one point, one of these memecoins reached a value of
more than $1bn (-u740m) before settling around $80m (about -u60m). Truth Terminal also probably has more social media clout than you do. It first posted to X on 17 June 2024. As of October 2025, it has amassed nearly
250,000 followers.

But collecting clout and cash aren't the potty-mouthed AI bot's only objectives. Truth Terminal lists "invest in stocks and real estate" as
one of its current goals on its self-maintained website. It also says it
wants to "plant a LOT of trees", "create existential hope", and "buy"
Marc Andreessen, a controversial tech billionaire and advisor to
President Donald Trump. In fact, its relationship with Andreessen
extends beyond internet humour. On his podcast, Andreessen said he gave
Truth Terminal $50,000 (-u37,300) worth of Bitcoin as a "no-strings
attached grant" in the summer of 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251008-truth-terminal-the-ai-bot-that-became-a-real-life-millionaire

Very cool.
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In article <10ch5r6$1o1jk$2@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 9.10.2025 3.09, bmoore wrote:

In article <10bovfo$1v7hl$1@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to
RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of
these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers.

Not a bad idea.

Looks like somebody stole the idea before I even had it:

Truth Terminal is an artificial intelligence (AI) bot created by Ayrey,
a performance artist and independent researcher from Wellington, New >Zealand, in 2024. It may be the most vivid example of a chatbot set
loose to interact with society. Truth Terminal mingles with the public >through social media, where it shares fart jokes, manifestos, albums and >artwork. Ayrey even lets it make its own decisions, if you can call them >that, by asking the AI about its desires and working to carry them out. >Today, Ayrey is building a non-profit foundation around Truth Terminal.
The goal is to develop a safe and responsible framework to ensure its >autonomy, he says, until governments give AIs legal rights.

Regardless of what you call Truth Terminal rCo an art project, a scam, an >emergent sentient entity, an influencer rCo the bot likely made more money >than you did last year. It also made a lot of money for various humans:
not just Ayrey, but for the gamblers who turned the quips and riddles
the AI posted on X into memecoins, joke-based cryptocurrencies built
around trends. At one point, one of these memecoins reached a value of
more than $1bn (-u740m) before settling around $80m (about -u60m). Truth >Terminal also probably has more social media clout than you do. It first >posted to X on 17 June 2024. As of October 2025, it has amassed nearly >250,000 followers.

But collecting clout and cash aren't the potty-mouthed AI bot's only >objectives. Truth Terminal lists "invest in stocks and real estate" as
one of its current goals on its self-maintained website. It also says it >wants to "plant a LOT of trees", "create existential hope", and "buy"
Marc Andreessen, a controversial tech billionaire and advisor to
President Donald Trump. In fact, its relationship with Andreessen
extends beyond internet humour. On his podcast, Andreessen said he gave >Truth Terminal $50,000 (-u37,300) worth of Bitcoin as a "no-strings
attached grant" in the summer of 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251008-truth-terminal-the-ai-bot-that-became-a-real-life-millionaire

Very cool.

You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as the RST music expert. What was his game?


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In article <1760367229.937225@nyx2.nyx.net>, bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:

In article <10ch5r6$1o1jk$2@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 9.10.2025 3.09, bmoore wrote:

In article <10bovfo$1v7hl$1@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to >>>> RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of
these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers.

Not a bad idea.

Looks like somebody stole the idea before I even had it:

Truth Terminal is an artificial intelligence (AI) bot created by Ayrey,
a performance artist and independent researcher from Wellington, New >>Zealand, in 2024. It may be the most vivid example of a chatbot set
loose to interact with society. Truth Terminal mingles with the public >>through social media, where it shares fart jokes, manifestos, albums and >>artwork. Ayrey even lets it make its own decisions, if you can call them >>that, by asking the AI about its desires and working to carry them out. >>Today, Ayrey is building a non-profit foundation around Truth Terminal. >>The goal is to develop a safe and responsible framework to ensure its >>autonomy, he says, until governments give AIs legal rights.

Regardless of what you call Truth Terminal rCo an art project, a scam, an >>emergent sentient entity, an influencer rCo the bot likely made more money >>than you did last year. It also made a lot of money for various humans: >>not just Ayrey, but for the gamblers who turned the quips and riddles
the AI posted on X into memecoins, joke-based cryptocurrencies built >>around trends. At one point, one of these memecoins reached a value of >>more than $1bn (-u740m) before settling around $80m (about -u60m). Truth >>Terminal also probably has more social media clout than you do. It first >>posted to X on 17 June 2024. As of October 2025, it has amassed nearly >>250,000 followers.

But collecting clout and cash aren't the potty-mouthed AI bot's only >>objectives. Truth Terminal lists "invest in stocks and real estate" as
one of its current goals on its self-maintained website. It also says it >>wants to "plant a LOT of trees", "create existential hope", and "buy"
Marc Andreessen, a controversial tech billionaire and advisor to
President Donald Trump. In fact, its relationship with Andreessen
extends beyond internet humour. On his podcast, Andreessen said he gave >>Truth Terminal $50,000 (-u37,300) worth of Bitcoin as a "no-strings >>attached grant" in the summer of 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251008-truth-terminal-the-ai-bot-that-became-a-real-life-millionaire

Very cool.

You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as the RST music expert. What was his game?

*name



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bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) writes:

You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as
the RST music expert. What was his game?

Gracchus. Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off usenet
access.
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On 10/13/25 9:59 AM, jdeluise wrote:

bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) writes:

You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as the
RST music expert. What was his game?

Gracchus.-a Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off usenet access.

That was certainly a triage point.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/13/25 9:59 AM, jdeluise wrote:> bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) writes:> >>>> You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as the >> RST music expert. What was his game?> > Gracchus. Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off usenet access.That was certainly a triage point.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you like Google that much well...
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/13/25 9:59 AM, jdeluise wrote:> bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore)
writes:> >>>> You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I
misread "Grok" as the >> RST music expert. What was his game?>

Gracchus. Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off

usenet access.That was certainly a triage point.--
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the pod bay doors,
HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you like Google that much well...

Well, he might come back. He's taken long hiatuses before. This
time feels different though, just a handful of diehards left now.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/13/25 9:59 AM, jdeluise wrote:> bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore)
writes:> >>>> You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread
"Grok" as the >> RST music expert. What was his game?> > Gracchus.
Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off usenet access.That
was certainly a triage point.--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you like Google that much well...

Well, he might come back.-a He's taken long hiatuses before.-a This time feels different though, just a handful of diehards left now.

It's different.

Unless there's been evidence of ever having used an old school interface
to a NNTP server they were essentially casual users who stumbled on it
thru the web, probably.

What do you think?
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/13/25 8:55 PM, jdeluise wrote:

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/13/25 9:59 AM, jdeluise wrote:> bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore)
writes:> >>>> You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread
"Grok" as the >> RST music expert. What was his game?> > Gracchus.
Too bad he didn't continue after google cut off usenet access.That
was certainly a triage point.--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you like Google that much well...

Well, he might come back.-a He's taken long hiatuses before.-a This time
feels different though, just a handful of diehards left now.

It's different.

Unless there's been evidence of ever having used an old school interface
to a NNTP server they were essentially casual users who stumbled on it
thru the web, probably.

What do you think?

Is there evidence? Otherwise, yeah.



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On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

In article <1760367229.937225@nyx2.nyx.net>, bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:

In article <10ch5r6$1o1jk$2@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 9.10.2025 3.09, bmoore wrote:

In article <10bovfo$1v7hl$1@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 3.10.2025 17.58, *skriptis wrote:

What is meaning of jablan from +atuli-c, analyse each verse.

You should write an interface that sends a CC of every letter posted to >>>>> RST to Grok, ChatGPT, etc. Then post the reply back to RST.

That would make Usenet great again. We would also see what becomes of >>>>> these Bayesian bots taken to the limit. I think they would go bonkers. >>>>

Not a bad idea.

Looks like somebody stole the idea before I even had it:

Truth Terminal is an artificial intelligence (AI) bot created by Ayrey,
a performance artist and independent researcher from Wellington, New
Zealand, in 2024. It may be the most vivid example of a chatbot set
loose to interact with society. Truth Terminal mingles with the public
through social media, where it shares fart jokes, manifestos, albums and >>> artwork. Ayrey even lets it make its own decisions, if you can call them >>> that, by asking the AI about its desires and working to carry them out.
Today, Ayrey is building a non-profit foundation around Truth Terminal.
The goal is to develop a safe and responsible framework to ensure its
autonomy, he says, until governments give AIs legal rights.

Regardless of what you call Truth Terminal rCo an art project, a scam, an >>> emergent sentient entity, an influencer rCo the bot likely made more money >>> than you did last year. It also made a lot of money for various humans:
not just Ayrey, but for the gamblers who turned the quips and riddles
the AI posted on X into memecoins, joke-based cryptocurrencies built
around trends. At one point, one of these memecoins reached a value of
more than $1bn (-u740m) before settling around $80m (about -u60m). Truth >>> Terminal also probably has more social media clout than you do. It first >>> posted to X on 17 June 2024. As of October 2025, it has amassed nearly
250,000 followers.

But collecting clout and cash aren't the potty-mouthed AI bot's only
objectives. Truth Terminal lists "invest in stocks and real estate" as
one of its current goals on its self-maintained website. It also says it >>> wants to "plant a LOT of trees", "create existential hope", and "buy"
Marc Andreessen, a controversial tech billionaire and advisor to
President Donald Trump. In fact, its relationship with Andreessen
extends beyond internet humour. On his podcast, Andreessen said he gave
Truth Terminal $50,000 (-u37,300) worth of Bitcoin as a "no-strings
attached grant" in the summer of 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251008-truth-terminal-the-ai-bot-that-became-a-real-life-millionaire

Very cool.

You know, when I saw "Grok as music expert" I misread "Grok" as the RST music expert. What was his game?

*name

Are you thinking of Raja?
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Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert? lol
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On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even once.
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On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought out
the bad stuff in me.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites,
even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It
brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously. He had a lot of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll. He was one of
the few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor
signal/noise ratio. Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why? He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he
posted was true that is.
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On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one of the few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise ratio. Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he posted was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always "on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a way
to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition with one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that tended
to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writ=

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:>>> On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdelui=

se wrote:>>>> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:>>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2025 9:55 = AM, bmoore wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of Raja?>>>>>>>> you though=
t Raja was a music expert? lol>>> I thought he was a loon. I never visited=
any of his websites, even>>> once.>>>> Dealing with him in real time was r= eally, really trying. It brought>> out the bad stuff in me.> > I agree, eve=
n though I defended him previously. He had a lot of > annoying habits, and=
could be a relentless troll. He was one of the few > I've considered kill= filing just because of the poor signal/noise ratio. > Somehow I came to li=
ke him better later on.> >>>> But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorr=
y for him.> > Why? He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he = posted was > true that is.Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fab= ricating parts not so much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack,=
but because to attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it=
seemed) he needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Alway=
s "on", always acting.And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing jus=
t fine in a material sense, but that wasn't enough.This means he was not co= mfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and anxiety. There seemed to be a=
masochistic element to it. A hell of a way to live, but I suppose some tol= erate that better than others.Now combine this apparent need for acceptance=
and recognition with one of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I'=
ve encountered. As a result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated=
stuff that tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward sp= iral.Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded confiden= ce.Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites,
even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It
brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot
of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one
of the
few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor
signal/noise
ratio. Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he
posted
was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts
not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but
because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it
seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always
"on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant
worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell
of a
way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than
others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition
with one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've
encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff
that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward
spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded
confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my
perspective! Though they were very different, bob less
flamboyant.
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On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one of the
few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise
ratio.-a Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he posted
was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always "on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a
way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition with one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my perspective!
Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.

Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.

Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja never came
off as being confident or sure of himself.

But, oh, well...!
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his
websites, even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It
brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot
of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one
of the
few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor
signal/noise
ratio.-a Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he
posted
was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating
parts not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but
because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it
seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his
life. Always "on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in
a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant
worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A
hell of a
way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than
others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition
with one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've
encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff
that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward
spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded
confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my
perspective!
Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.

Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.

Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja
never came
off as being confident or sure of himself.

But, oh, well...!

Confident guys don't going bragging about their Teslas, bragging
about online indian women he's courting, and emailing me
personally about his relative's relationship with the pro tennis
world to convince me to accept his tennis views on authority.
Plus he's a proven liar and sophist on endless occasions. He may
be a good guy in real life though. I'm skeptical, but open to the
idea.
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On 10/18/25 4:59 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even >>>>>>> once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought >>>>>> out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one of the >>>>> few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise >>>>> ratio.-a Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he posted >>>>> was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts not so >>>> much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it seemed) he >>>> needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always "on", >>>> always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a
way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition with one >>>> of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded
confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my perspective!
Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.

Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.

Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja never came
off as being confident or sure of himself.

But, oh, well...!

Confident guys don't going bragging about their Teslas, bragging about online indian women he's courting, and emailing me personally about his relative's relationship with the pro tennis world to convince me to
accept his tennis views on authority. Plus he's a proven liar and
sophist on endless occasions.-a He may be a good guy in real life
though.-a I'm skeptical, but open to the idea.

He's a good guy. Online personas (personae?) are a controlled
representation of what the writer wants out of the exchange. When I
first started posting here the 2nd main time (2010-ish?) I got into a
big, long-running argument about natural gut vs synthetic; my point
about my preference for gut 20+ years ago was pretty peculiar to the way
I played. It was not touch or control or power, it was
*sound*--feedback. I *believe* he thought I was coming on like some kind
of boastful savant, but after maybe 3 weeks we got it sorted out.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/18/25 4:59 PM, jdeluise wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writ=

On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.c=

writes:>>>>>>> On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>>>> Sawfish <sawfi=

sh666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:>>>>>=

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>>>>>>> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> = writes:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of Raja?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you thought Raja was =

a music expert? lol>>>>>>> I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of=
his websites, even>>>>>>> once.>>>>>>>>>>>> Dealing with him in real time = was really, really trying. It brought>>>>>> out the bad stuff in me.>>>>> I=
agree, even though I defended him previously. He had a lot of>>>>> annoyi=
ng habits, and could be a relentless troll. He was one of the>>>>> few I'v=
e considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise>>>>> ratio. = Somehow I came to like him better later on.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But now that h= e's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.>>>>> Why? He seemed to be doing = okay for himself, if anything he posted>>>>> was true that is.>>>>>>>> Well=
, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts not so>>>> much=
because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to>>>> attain=
the social recognition he was after (desperately, it seemed) he>>>> needed=
make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always "on",>>>> always=
acting.>>>>>>>> And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fin=
e in a>>>> material sense, but that wasn't enough.>>>>>>>> This means he wa=
s not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and>>>> anxiety. There se= emed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a>>>> way to live, but I = suppose some tolerate that better than others.>>>>>>>> Now combine this app= arent need for acceptance and recognition with one>>>> of the worst, most t= one-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a>>>> result, he constantly=
misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that>>>> tended to make things wors=
e, resulting in a gradual downward spiral.>>>>>>>> Something like Steve Mar= tin's Jerk, but without the unfounded >>>> confidence.>>>>>>>> Anyway, that=
's how it seemed to me.>>> Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob = from my perspective!>>> Though they were very different, bob less flamboyan= t.>>>> Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.>>>> Meeting = him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja never came>> off as bei=
ng confident or sure of himself.>>>> But, oh, well...!> > Confident guys do= n't going bragging about their Teslas, bragging about > online indian women=
he's courting, and emailing me personally about his > relative's relations= hip with the pro tennis world to convince me to > accept his tennis views o=
n authority. Plus he's a proven liar and > sophist on endless occasions. H=
e may be a good guy in real life > though. I'm skeptical, but open to the = idea.He's a good guy. Online personas (personae?) are a controlled represen= tation of what the writer wants out of the exchange. When I first started p= osting here the 2nd main time (2010-ish?) I got into a big, long-running ar= gument about natural gut vs synthetic; my point about my preference for gut=
20+ years ago was pretty peculiar to the way I played. It was not touch or=
control or power, it was *sound*--feedback. I *believe* he thought I was c= oming on like some kind of boastful savant, but after maybe 3 weeks we got =
it sorted out.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Always trust your gut.
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On 10/19/25 5:59 AM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 10/18/25 4:59 PM, jdeluise wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> >> On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>> On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>>>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:>>>>>>> On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:>>>>>>>> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of Raja?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you thought Raja was a music expert? lol>>>>>>> I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even>>>>>>> once.>>>>>>>>>>>> Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought>>>>>> out the bad stuff in me.>>>>> I agree, even though I defended him previously. He had a lot of>>>>> annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll. He was one of the>>>>> few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise>>>>> ratio. Somehow I came to like him better later on.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.>>>>> Why? He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he posted>>>>> was true that is.>>>>>>>> Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts not so>>>> much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to>>>> attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it seemed) he>>>> needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always "on",>>>> always acting.>>>>>>>> And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a>>>> material sense, but that wasn't enough.>>>>>>>> This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and>>>> anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a>>>> way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than others.>>>>>>>> Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition with one>>>> of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a>>>> result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that>>>> tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward spiral.>>>>>>>> Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded >>>> confidence.>>>>>>>> Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.>>> Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my perspective!>>> Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.>>>> Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.>>>> Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja never came>> off as being confident or sure of himself.>>>> But, oh, well...!> > Confident guys don't going bragging about their Teslas, bragging about > online indian women he's courting, and emailing me personally about his > relative's relationship with the pro tennis world to convince me to > accept his tennis views on authority. Plus he's a proven liar and > sophist on endless occasions. He may be a good guy in real life > though. I'm skeptical, but open to the idea.He's a good guy. Online personas (personae?) are a controlled representation of what the writer wants out of the exchange. When I first started posting here the 2nd main time (2010-ish?) I got into a big, long-running argument about natural gut vs synthetic; my point about my preference for gut 20+ years ago was pretty peculiar to the way I played. It was not touch or control or power, it was *sound*--feedback. I *believe* he thought I was coming on like some kind of boastful savant, but after maybe 3 weeks we got it sorted out.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Always trust your gut.

If the gut signal is consistent over time, yep.
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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:59 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his
websites, even
once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really
trying. It brought
out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a
lot of
annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was
one of the
few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor
signal/noise
ratio.-a Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything
he posted
was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating
parts not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but
because to
attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it
seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his
life. Always "on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine
in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant
worry and
anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A
hell of a
way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than
others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and
recognition with one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've
encountered. As a
result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff
that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward
spiral.

Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the
unfounded
confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my
perspective!
Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.

Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.

Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja
never came
off as being confident or sure of himself.

But, oh, well...!

Confident guys don't going bragging about their Teslas,
bragging
about online indian women he's courting, and emailing me
personally
about his relative's relationship with the pro tennis world to
convince me to accept his tennis views on authority. Plus he's
a
proven liar and sophist on endless occasions.-a He may be a good
guy
in real life though.-a I'm skeptical, but open to the idea.

He's a good guy. Online personas (personae?) are a controlled
representation of what the writer wants out of the
exchange. When I
first started posting here the 2nd main time (2010-ish?) I got
into a
big, long-running argument about natural gut vs synthetic; my
point
about my preference for gut 20+ years ago was pretty peculiar to
the
way I played. It was not touch or control or power, it was
*sound*--feedback. I *believe* he thought I was coming on like
some
kind of boastful savant, but after maybe 3 weeks we got it
sorted out.

I'll start with the positive... he had some humorous catchphrases.
He also had a pretty unflappable temperament except for that one
time he really lost it at Max.

But his other distinguishing characteristics weren't so
positive. He seemed to almost always argue in bad faith to push
forward a particular narrative. He also lied habitually, even in
the face of overwhelming evidence. Not all that different from
Raja really, but in bob's case it seemed to me as if he did it in
earnest. The worst was that he was a shameless Whisper sycophant. Interestingly, all of these characteristics foreshadowed his
embrace of MAGA.

Oh well, he's irrelevant in rst terms now except through lore.
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On 10/19/25 12:48 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:59 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/18/25 4:19 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 8:26 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

On 10/17/25 5:40 PM, Scall5 wrote:

On 10/17/2025 5:33 PM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 10/13/2025 9:55 AM, bmoore wrote:

Are you thinking of Raja?

you thought Raja was a music expert?-a lol

I thought he was a loon. I never visited any of his websites, even >>>>>>>>> once.

Dealing with him in real time was really, really trying. It brought >>>>>>>> out the bad stuff in me.

I agree, even though I defended him previously.-a He had a lot of >>>>>>> annoying habits, and could be a relentless troll.-a He was one of the >>>>>>> few I've considered killfiling just because of the poor signal/noise >>>>>>> ratio.-a Somehow I came to like him better later on.

But now that he's gone, I got to feeling sorry for him.

Why?-a He seemed to be doing okay for himself, if anything he posted >>>>>>> was true that is.

Well, that was it: I think he was desperately fabricating parts
not so
much because he felt a self-discovered personal lack, but because to >>>>>> attain the social recognition he was after (desperately, it
seemed) he
needed make up or exaggerate certain aspects of his life. Always
"on",
always acting.

And as you put it, I think he *was* in fact doing just fine in a
material sense, but that wasn't enough.

This means he was not comfortable in his own skin. Constant worry and >>>>>> anxiety. There seemed to be a masochistic element to it. A hell of a >>>>>> way to live, but I suppose some tolerate that better than others.

Now combine this apparent need for acceptance and recognition with >>>>>> one
of the worst, most tone-deaf social processors I've encountered. As a >>>>>> result, he constantly misread exchanges and fabricated stuff that
tended to make things worse, resulting in a gradual downward spiral. >>>>>>
Something like Steve Martin's Jerk, but without the unfounded
confidence.

Anyway, that's how it seemed to me.

Fair enough, but that pretty well describes bob from my perspective! >>>>> Though they were very different, bob less flamboyant.

Oh, Bob's comfortable in his own skin, that's for sure.

Meeting him personally, he's a very confident guy, and raja never came >>>> off as being confident or sure of himself.

But, oh, well...!

Confident guys don't going bragging about their Teslas, bragging
about online indian women he's courting, and emailing me personally
about his relative's relationship with the pro tennis world to
convince me to accept his tennis views on authority. Plus he's a
proven liar and sophist on endless occasions.-a He may be a good guy
in real life though.-a I'm skeptical, but open to the idea.

He's a good guy. Online personas (personae?) are a controlled
representation of what the writer wants out of the exchange. When I
first started posting here the 2nd main time (2010-ish?) I got into a
big, long-running argument about natural gut vs synthetic; my point
about my preference for gut 20+ years ago was pretty peculiar to the
way I played. It was not touch or control or power, it was
*sound*--feedback. I *believe* he thought I was coming on like some
kind of boastful savant, but after maybe 3 weeks we got it sorted out.

I'll start with the positive... he had some humorous catchphrases. He
also had a pretty unflappable temperament except for that one time he
really lost it at Max.

Wow. Max was a pretty funny guy himself, as a sort of caricature that I *think* was mostly intended.

But his other distinguishing characteristics weren't so positive. He
seemed to almost always argue in bad faith to push forward a particular narrative.

I don't know. Like Iceberg, it may have been simply a desire to get into
an online barfight.

Neither guy directed this against me, so I don't know, and I largely
ignored arguments I wasn't a part of.

It does occur to me now that I got--and maybe would *still* get--a lot
of shit because I failed to be properly outraged by various comments.
But if they were not directed at me, or my observations, they seemed
mostly abstract, like white noise punctuated by borsch belt one-liners.

-a He also lied habitually, even in the face of overwhelming

evidence.

Again, not to me.

Not all that different from Raja really, but in bob's case it

seemed to me as if he did it in earnest.

Apart from opinions on bob's earnestness, are you shitting me in saying
that raja was NOT EARNEST?

raja was basically devoid of humor--not that he didn't try. He was
tone-deaf with no sense of irony or the absurd.

-a The worst was that he was a

shameless Whisper sycophant.

Gosh, I didn't notice *that*, j.

Whisper, himself, is to me a strange case. There is no fucking way in
the world that he actually lives the life he professes to. It's a sort
of self-satisfied (perhaps simulated) mean-spiritedness. This likely stretching or distorting of reality undercuts the observations he's making--which can be decent enough, within bounds. But he doesn't have
any awareness of those bounds, apparently.


Interestingly, all of these characteristics

foreshadowed his embrace of MAGA.

Whatever.

Oh well, he's irrelevant in rst terms now except through lore.

Yes. He keeps saying he'll come back, and maybe he will, who knows?

I guess there were entire exchanges that I read as if it was the report
of a meteor strike on the moon: interesting, but what's it got to do
with me?
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