• The Staff game (AKA Crazy Tiny Players) - Choice #0361

    From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 1 05:12:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    What happened (squad, bank, table, results of matches before yours if
    any, your fixture, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0361/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    01
    02 05 03
    04 06
    07 08 11
    10 09
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 33 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 71 0 +44 +0.62
    05 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 35 2 +35 +1.00
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 70 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 47 0 +34 +0.72
    06 Wiss CM DM 150K 11 PTC FIN 22 1 -07 -0.32 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 58 1 +51 +0.88
    08 Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 18 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanen LW A 180K 13 CSF FIN 2 1 -02 -1.00
    09 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat
    the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3
    01
    02 05 03
    06
    07 04 11
    10 09 08
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 33 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 71 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 14 0 +19 +1.36
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 70 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 47 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 58 1 +51 +0.88
    04 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 35 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 18 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhala A 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2
    01
    02 05 06 03
    04
    07 08 11
    10 09
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 33 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 71 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 14 0 +19 +1.36
    06 P.Viljanen CD 160K 12 HTP FIN 13 0 +14 +1.08
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 70 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 47 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 58 1 +51 +0.88
    08 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 35 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 18 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78

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    Useful info
    ===========

    How to read the screenshots
    ---------------------------

    Squad screen:
    - Head:
    - Red card = suspension; number on the card = number of matches the
    player is suspended for.
    - Bandaged head = the player has taken a knock.
    - Red cross = injury; number on the cross = number of matches the
    player will be out for.
    - Black cross = the player is out for the season
    - Skills:
    - P = Passing
    - V = shot Velocity from outside the penalty box
    - H = Heading
    - T = Tackling
    - C = ball Control
    - S = Speed
    - F = Finishing inside the penalty box
    - Price:
    - Trial = without contract (so their price is unknown [it's low in
    most but not all cases] and they could leave the team anytime; if you
    play them enough, they'll get a contract)

    Future market rounds to skip
    ----------------------------

    1

    Squad
    -----

    Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- TPr
    Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 33 0 +46 +1.39
    Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 71 0 +44 +0.62
    Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 14 0 +19 +1.36
    Snellman CD 100K 8 TFH FIN 10 0 +09 +0.90
    P.Viljanen CD 160K 12 HTP FIN 13 0 +14 +1.08
    Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 70 0 +42 +0.60
    Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 58 1 +51 +0.88
    McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 35 2 +35 +1.00
    Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 47 0 +34 +0.72
    Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    Wiss CM DM 150K 11 PTC FIN 22 1 -07 -0.32
    Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 18 1 +27 +1.50
    J.Viljanen LW A 180K 13 CSF FIN 2 1 -02 -1.00
    Yeremenko LW 200K 14 SCH RUS 42 3 +26 +0.62 160K
    Adlane A 180K 13 FHP ALG 30 4 +11 +0.37
    Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    Vanhala A 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    Ps = Position
    B = positon according to Ben
    OPr = Original Price when joined the club
    Sm = Sum of skill points
    PVHTCSF: skill points
    Skl = 1st 2nd and 3rd best skill (see "How to read the screenshots")
    Nat = Nation
    M = Matches played
    G = Goals scored
    +- = goal difference when the player was on the field
    Avg+- = goal difference per matches played
    TPr = on Transfer market, you'll accept this minimum Price

    Season
    ------

    1999/2000

    Prem Div = Finnish Premier Division: Apr-Oct, 12 teams, play each team
    x2, 3 points for a win, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5
    Cup = Finnish Cup: May-Jun, 3 rounds, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5, 8 teams; each round being 1 leg, extra time, penalties

    Schedule:
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0338/index.html

    Management record
    -----------------

    First stint

    Ssn Club Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl W D L F A Top scorer ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Once Lobos SAL 4 11 - - 22 5 8 9 9 17 Welter 5
    97/98 Once Lobos SAL 4 2 - - 22 11 4 7 13 9 Welter 9
    98/99 Once Lobos SAL 4 4 - - 22 10 3 9 15 14 Ruano,Welter 6
    99/00 Once Lobos SAL 4 12 - - 17 3 4 10 10 18 Ruano 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total 83 29 19 35 47 58

    Second stint

    Ssn Club Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl W D L F A Top scorer ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Haka FIN 1 11 QF - 17 4 6 7 12 14 Vaisanen 4
    97/98 Jaro FIN 1 5 QF R2 27 11 4 12 47 45 Tauriainen 29
    98/99 Jaro FIN 1 3 SF - 24 13 3 8 48 37 Tauriainen 30 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total 68 28 13 27 107 96

    2011/12 will be the last season.

    Full history of choices
    -----------------------

    Courtesy of Futbolmetrix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqi4vdpqckhqygo/TheStaffGame_History.xlsx?dl=0

    About the game
    --------------

    You can join the game at any time. Randomly picked vote chooses (picked
    when the next choice is set up, something that happens at least 71 hours (i.e., 3 days minus 1 hour) after the choice is posted).

    This is a career in Sensible World of Soccer 96/97, a videogame. Prices
    are in pound sterlings.

    Here are the only (as far as I know) variables in SWOS that matter to you:
    - Match: each player acts according to the team's formation [1], to his
    value in each skill [2], and to his natural position [3] (and to home advantage?). By default you know each player's 1st 2nd and 3rd best
    skills, and his price, that is correlated to the sum of the value of all
    his skills [4] (also, if you play a player in position his price could
    go up; if you don't play him, or play him off position, his price could
    go down; his skill values don't change, though).
    - Suspensions and injuries (if a player has taken a knock, his form is supposedly OK, but he's more likely to pick up a serious injury; the
    knock will heal if he'll get rest)
    - Bank:
    When Money in Money out
    Season begins Competition bonuses
    Sponsorship*
    Each week Gate receipts* General running costs**
    Wages**
    Player sales Player purchases
    * Proportional to results
    ** Proportional to players' prices
    You can buy and sell players all season long. Other teams always play
    with the same XI and don't exchange players with each other.
    [1] List of default formations:
    4-4-2 = 4-1-3-2
    5-4-1 = 5-1-3-1
    4-5-1 = 4-1-4-1
    5-3-2 = 3-2-3-2
    3-5-2 = 3-2-3-2
    4-3-3
    4-2-4 = 4-2-3-1
    3-4-3 = 3-1-3-3
    4-4-2s = S-3-1-3-1 (AKA sweep)
    5-2-3
    3-2-5 = 3-2-3-2 (AKA attack)
    6-3-1 = 6-2-1-1 (AKA defend)
    All with RB and LB, and (the only exception being "defend") RW and LW
    (as forwards if there are just 2 midfielders, otherwise as midfielders).
    [2] List of skills: ball control, finishing inside the penalty box,
    heading, passing, speed, tackling, shot velocity from outside the
    penalty box. A player's value in each of these skills can be 0 to 7. Goalkeepers only have a goalkeeping skill that can be 0 to 48; only goalkeepers have this skill.
    [3] List of positions: G, RB, D, LB, RW, M, LW, A.
    [4] Price = Sum of skill points:
    25K 1 (or 0) | 350K 17 | 1.80M 33
    30K 2 | 450K 18 | 1.90M 34
    40K 3 | 500K 19 | 2.00M 35
    50K 4 | 550K 20 | 2.25M 36
    65K 5 | 600K 21 | 2.75M 37
    75K 6 | 650K 22 | 3.00M 38
    85K 7 | 700K 23 | 3.50M 39
    100K 8 | 750K 24 | 4.50M 40
    110K 9 | 800K 25 | 5.00M 41
    130K 10 | 850K 26 | 6.00M 42
    150K 11 | 950K 27 | 7.00M 43
    160K 12 | 1.00M 28 | 8.00M 44
    180K 13 | 1.10M 29 | 9.00M 45
    200K 14 | 1.30M 30 | 10M 46
    250K 15 | 1.50M 31 | 12M 47
    300K 16 | 1.60M 32 | 15M 48 (or 49)

    Staff personalities
    -------------------

    A. Aggie the Agnostic: doesn't want to change anything
    [until the end of the 2000-01 season: last match's XI. starting from the 2001-02 season: retired]

    B. Ben the Basic: only looks at skills
    [XI based on: only players priced 30K or more,
    - S + T + (C or H or P) = defender
    - P + T + (C or S) = defensive midfielder
    - P + (any combination of C, S, V) = attacking midfielder
    - S + (F or V) + (C or H) = attacker
    - S + F + V = attacker
    ]

    D. Dan the Dazzled: only looks at prices
    [XI based on original price = playing a player priced 30K or more off
    position is better than playing a player priced less than 30K on
    position; <30K players are ranked in the following way 1) on trial > 2) formerly on trial but now 5-25K > 3) 25K.]

    F. Fred the Frugal: wants to save money
    [XI based on original price, but no player on trial]

    N. Noah the Netter: thinks that it's all a matter of scoring and not
    being scored against
    [two attackers, then XI based on original price]

    O. Ollie the Opponent: only looks at opponents
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but more than 2 attackers.
    Playing away against a higher-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but 5 defenders.
    2. Playing against 3 midfielders? XI based on original price, but 3-5-2. Playing against 3 defenders? XI based on original price, but 4-3-3.
    3. Playing against more than one speedy attacker? XI based on original
    price, but sweep.
    4. XI based on original price, but 4-4-2.]

    P. Pat the Paranoid: is scared of injuries and suspensions
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? 3-4-3 [starting from the
    2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then XI based on original price,
    but rest any knocked or booked player, and the three best players.
    2. 3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on original price, but no knocked or booked players.]

    S. Scott the Scout: tries to find new talents
    [XI based on original price, but one more unknown-value player]

    W. Will the Watcher: only looks at stats
    [3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on Avg+- (players priced less than 30K only if positive score)]

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 6 04:40:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Bumping this, as I guess you want to experiment or do a victory lap
    before diving into the Champions League...

    (It may be also worth repeating that I know that my very inconsistent
    updating schedule makes the game less enjoyable, and that it really is
    as consistent as possible. :/ )

    --
    Cheers
    milivella

    milivella:

    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    What happened (squad, bank, table, results of matches before yours if
    any, your fixture, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0361/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    -a-a-a 01
    02-a 05-a 03
    -a 04-a 06
    07-a 08-a 11
    -a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 06 Wiss-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CM DM-a-a 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTC FIN 22-a 1 -07 -0.32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 08 Sorvisto-a-a-a CM-a-a-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TPV FIN 49-a 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanen-a LW A-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSF FIN-a 2-a 1 -02 -1.00 09 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat
    the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02-a-a 05-a-a 03
    -a-a-a-a 06
    07-a-a 04-a-a 11
    -a 10 09 08
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 04 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhala-a-a-a-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02 05-a 06 03
    -a-a-a-a 04
    07-a-a 08-a-a 11
    -a-a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    06 P.Viljanen-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP FIN 13-a 0 +14 +1.08 03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 08 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78

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    .

    .

    Useful info
    ===========

    How to read the screenshots
    ---------------------------

    Squad screen:
    - Head:
    -a - Red card = suspension; number on the card = number of matches the player is suspended for.
    -a - Bandaged head = the player has taken a knock.
    -a - Red cross = injury; number on the cross = number of matches the
    player will be out for.
    -a - Black cross = the player is out for the season
    - Skills:
    -a - P = Passing
    -a - V = shot Velocity from outside the penalty box
    -a - H = Heading
    -a - T = Tackling
    -a - C = ball Control
    -a - S = Speed
    -a - F = Finishing inside the penalty box
    - Price:
    -a - Trial = without contract (so their price is unknown [it's low in
    most but not all cases] and they could leave the team anytime; if you
    play them enough, they'll get a contract)

    Future market rounds to skip
    ----------------------------

    1

    Squad
    -----

    Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+--a TPr Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    Snellman-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 100K-a 8-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TFH FIN 10-a 0 +09 +0.90 P.Viljanen-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP FIN 13-a 0 +14 +1.08 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 Sorvisto-a-a-a CM-a-a-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TPV FIN 49-a 7 +15 +0.31 Wiss-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CM DM-a-a 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTC FIN 22-a 1 -07 -0.32 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 J.Viljanen-a LW A-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSF FIN-a 2-a 1 -02 -1.00 Yeremenko-a-a LW-a-a-a-a-a 200K 14-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCH RUS 42-a 3 +26 +0.62 160K
    Adlane-a-a-a-a-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a FHP ALG 30-a 4 +11 +0.37
    Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78 Vanhala-a-a-a-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    Ps = Position
    B = positon according to Ben
    OPr = Original Price when joined the club
    Sm = Sum of skill points
    PVHTCSF: skill points
    Skl = 1st 2nd and 3rd best skill (see "How to read the screenshots")
    Nat = Nation
    M = Matches played
    G = Goals scored
    +- = goal difference when the player was on the field
    Avg+- = goal difference per matches played
    TPr = on Transfer market, you'll accept this minimum Price

    Season
    ------

    1999/2000

    Prem Div = Finnish Premier Division: Apr-Oct, 12 teams, play each team
    x2, 3 points for a win, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5
    Cup = Finnish Cup: May-Jun, 3 rounds, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5, 8 teams; each round being 1 leg, extra time, penalties

    Schedule:
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0338/index.html

    Management record
    -----------------

    First stint

    Ssn-a-a Club-a-a-a-a-a-a Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl-a W-a D-a L-a-a F-a A Top scorer
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Once Lobos SAL-a-a 4-a 11 --a-a --a-a 22-a 5-a 8-a 9-a-a 9 17 Welter-a-a-a-a-a-a 5
    97/98 Once Lobos SAL-a-a 4-a-a 2 --a-a --a-a 22 11-a 4-a 7-a 13-a 9 Welter-a-a-a-a-a-a 9
    98/99 Once Lobos SAL-a-a 4-a-a 4 --a-a --a-a 22 10-a 3-a 9-a 15 14 Ruano,Welter 6
    99/00 Once Lobos SAL-a-a 4-a 12 --a-a --a-a 17-a 3-a 4 10-a 10 18 Ruano-a-a-a-a-a-a-a 4
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Total-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a 83 29 19 35-a 47 58

    Second stint

    Ssn-a-a Club-a-a-a-a-a-a Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl-a W-a D-a L-a-a F-a A Top scorer
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Haka-a-a-a-a-a-a FIN-a-a 1-a 11 QF-a --a-a 17-a 4-a 6-a 7-a 12 14 Vaisanen-a-a-a-a 4
    97/98 Jaro-a-a-a-a-a-a FIN-a-a 1-a-a 5 QF-a R2-a 27 11-a 4 12-a 47 45 Tauriainen-a 29
    98/99 Jaro-a-a-a-a-a-a FIN-a-a 1-a-a 3 SF-a --a-a 24 13-a 3-a 8-a 48 37 Tauriainen-a 30
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Total-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a 68 28 13 27 107 96

    2011/12 will be the last season.

    Full history of choices
    -----------------------

    Courtesy of Futbolmetrix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqi4vdpqckhqygo/TheStaffGame_History.xlsx?dl=0

    About the game
    --------------

    You can join the game at any time. Randomly picked vote chooses (picked
    when the next choice is set up, something that happens at least 71 hours (i.e., 3 days minus 1 hour) after the choice is posted).

    This is a career in Sensible World of Soccer 96/97, a videogame. Prices
    are in pound sterlings.

    Here are the only (as far as I know) variables in SWOS that matter to you:
    - Match: each player acts according to the team's formation [1], to his value in each skill [2], and to his natural position [3] (and to home advantage?). By default you know each player's 1st 2nd and 3rd best
    skills, and his price, that is correlated to the sum of the value of all
    his skills [4] (also, if you play a player in position his price could
    go up; if you don't play him, or play him off position, his price could
    go down; his skill values don't change, though).
    - Suspensions and injuries (if a player has taken a knock, his form is supposedly OK, but he's more likely to pick up a serious injury; the
    knock will heal if he'll get rest)
    - Bank:
    When-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Money in-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Money out
    Season begins Competition bonuses
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Sponsorship*
    Each week-a-a-a-a Gate receipts*-a-a-a-a-a General running costs**
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Wages**
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Player sales-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Player purchases
    * Proportional to results
    ** Proportional to players' prices
    You can buy and sell players all season long. Other teams always play
    with the same XI and don't exchange players with each other.
    [1] List of default formations:
    -a 4-4-2-a = 4-1-3-2
    -a 5-4-1-a = 5-1-3-1
    -a 4-5-1-a = 4-1-4-1
    -a 5-3-2-a = 3-2-3-2
    -a 3-5-2-a = 3-2-3-2
    -a 4-3-3
    -a 4-2-4-a = 4-2-3-1
    -a 3-4-3-a = 3-1-3-3
    -a 4-4-2s = S-3-1-3-1 (AKA sweep)
    -a 5-2-3
    -a 3-2-5-a = 3-2-3-2-a-a (AKA attack)
    -a 6-3-1-a = 6-2-1-1-a-a (AKA defend)
    All with RB and LB, and (the only exception being "defend") RW and LW
    (as forwards if there are just 2 midfielders, otherwise as midfielders).
    [2] List of skills: ball control, finishing inside the penalty box,
    heading, passing, speed, tackling, shot velocity from outside the
    penalty box. A player's value in each of these skills can be 0 to 7. Goalkeepers only have a goalkeeping skill that can be 0 to 48; only goalkeepers have this skill.
    [3] List of positions: G, RB, D, LB, RW, M, LW, A.
    [4] Price = Sum of skill points:
    -a-a 25K-a 1 (or 0) |-a 350K 17-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.80M 33
    -a-a 30K-a 2-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.90M 34
    -a-a 40K-a 3-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 500K 19-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 2.00M 35
    -a-a 50K-a 4-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 550K 20-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 2.25M 36
    -a-a 65K-a 5-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 2.75M 37
    -a-a 75K-a 6-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 650K 22-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 3.00M 38
    -a-a 85K-a 7-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 700K 23-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 3.50M 39
    -a 100K-a 8-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 750K 24-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 4.50M 40
    -a 110K-a 9-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 800K 25-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 5.00M 41
    -a 130K 10-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 850K 26-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 6.00M 42
    -a 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a 950K 27-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 7.00M 43
    -a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.00M 28-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 8.00M 44
    -a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.10M 29-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 9.00M 45
    -a 200K 14-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.30M 30-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a-a 10M 46
    -a 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.50M 31-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a-a 12M 47
    -a 300K 16-a-a-a-a-a-a-a | 1.60M 32-a-a-a-a-a-a-a |-a-a 15M 48 (or 49)

    Staff personalities
    -------------------

    A. Aggie the Agnostic: doesn't want to change anything
    [until the end of the 2000-01 season: last match's XI. starting from the 2001-02 season: retired]

    B. Ben the Basic: only looks at skills
    [XI based on: only players priced 30K or more,
    - S + T + (C or H or P) = defender
    - P + T + (C or S) = defensive midfielder
    - P + (any combination of C, S, V) = attacking midfielder
    - S + (F or V) + (C or H) = attacker
    - S + F + V = attacker
    ]

    D. Dan the Dazzled: only looks at prices
    [XI based on original price = playing a player priced 30K or more off position is better than playing a player priced less than 30K on
    position; <30K players are ranked in the following way 1) on trial > 2) formerly on trial but now 5-25K > 3) 25K.]

    F. Fred the Frugal: wants to save money
    [XI based on original price, but no player on trial]

    N. Noah the Netter: thinks that it's all a matter of scoring and not
    being scored against
    [two attackers, then XI based on original price]

    O. Ollie the Opponent: only looks at opponents
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but more than 2 attackers.
    Playing away against a higher-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but 5 defenders.
    2. Playing against 3 midfielders? XI based on original price, but 3-5-2. Playing against 3 defenders? XI based on original price, but 4-3-3.
    3. Playing against more than one speedy attacker? XI based on original price, but sweep.
    4. XI based on original price, but 4-4-2.]

    P. Pat the Paranoid: is scared of injuries and suspensions
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? 3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then XI based on original price,
    but rest any knocked or booked player, and the three best players.
    2. 3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on original price, but no knocked or booked players.]

    S. Scott the Scout: tries to find new talents
    [XI based on original price, but one more unknown-value player]

    W. Will the Watcher: only looks at stats
    [3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on Avg+- (players priced less than 30K only if positive score)]

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 6 15:37:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 05:12:51 +0100, milivella <milivella@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    And we found out this:

    Vanhala A 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    So Vanhala is almost an elite passer, and a hard-nosed tackler. For
    the rest, it's all pretty shit.



    Who do you agree with?

    Where is Scott when you need him? And what about Pat's paranoia?



    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2

    Yeah, maybe rest Da Bull so he doesn't pick up a crazy injury that
    keeps him out of contention for next year?




    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat
    the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3

    Maybe give our star players some deserved rest?


    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2

    I could do with a reminder of why 4-4-2 is bad.

    My vote:
    Ben 0.4
    Dan 0.2
    Ollie 0.4



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  • From Werner Pichler@wpichler@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 7 00:23:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On 01/01/2026 05:12, milivella wrote:
    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    What happened (squad, bank, table, results of matches before yours if
    any, your fixture, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0361/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    -a-a-a 01
    02-a 05-a 03
    -a 04-a 06
    07-a 08-a 11
    -a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 06 Wiss-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CM DM-a-a 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTC FIN 22-a 1 -07 -0.32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 08 Sorvisto-a-a-a CM-a-a-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TPV FIN 49-a 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanen-a LW A-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSF FIN-a 2-a 1 -02 -1.00 09 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat
    the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02-a-a 05-a-a 03
    -a-a-a-a 06
    07-a-a 04-a-a 11
    -a 10 09 08
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 04 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhala-a-a-a-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02 05-a 06 03
    -a-a-a-a 04
    07-a-a 08-a-a 11
    -a-a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    06 P.Viljanen-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP FIN 13-a 0 +14 +1.08 03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88 08 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78





    Right so this is the time to let loose and experiment, right?

    So I want to go 4-2-4! 2-3-5! Even 6-3-1!


    Oh well.


    I guess I agree we should protect Da Bull from those Veikkausliiga
    butchers. Ollie.

    Ciao,
    Werner




    --
    Cheers
    milivella

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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 7 04:52:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix:

    Where is Scott when you need him?

    No trial player in the squad.

    And what about Pat's paranoia?

    Yep, I could have applied its criteria a bit more flexibly: now that you
    have won the league, you should rest your top players---indeed, not just
    the top 3, but the top N-11! I'll try to remember this.

    (On the other hand, I don't think injuries carry on from one season to
    the next, so only a paranoid... oh, of course)

    I could do with a reminder of why 4-4-2 is bad.

    My memory: because Da Bull is away from Da Goal.

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 7 04:57:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Werner Pichler:

    Right so this is the time to let loose and experiment, right?

    So I want to go 4-2-4! 2-3-5! Even 6-3-1!

    You should have set things up such that some members of the staff would suggest you these... :)

    (only 6-3-1 actually exists in the game; but there's 3-2-5)

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 7 10:57:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 04:52:59 +0100, milivella <milivella@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Futbolmetrix:

    Where is Scott when you need him?

    No trial player in the squad.

    We had one until last week (and a right back!), and he left just
    before he was about to given his big chance! I'm sure the gamemaster
    must be responsible in some way.


    I could do with a reminder of why 4-4-2 is bad.

    My memory: because Da Bull is away from Da Goal.

    Maybe we could train Da Bull to be more effective in positions other
    than the CF in a 3-4-3? But how?


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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 7 11:34:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 00:23:39 +0100, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 01/01/2026 05:12, milivella wrote:
    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    What happened (squad, bank, table, results of matches before yours if
    any, your fixture, opponents' line-up):
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0361/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    aaa 01
    02a 05a 03
    a 04a 06
    07a 08a 11
    a 10a 09
    No Playeraaaaa Ps Baaa OPra Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nata Ma Ga +- Avg+-
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantinia Gaaaaaa 450K 18 0000000 -aa ITA 33a 0 +46 +1.39
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominenaaa RB D,DM 160K 12aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 71a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 McGinlayaaa CM DM,D 450K 18aaaaaaaa PTS SCO 35a 2 +35 +1.00
    03 Nygardaaaaa LB D,DM 150K 11aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 70a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputtiaaaa CM DM,D 250K 15aaaaaaaa PTS FIN 47a 0 +34 +0.72
    06 Wissaaaaaaa CM DMaa 150K 11aaaaaaaa PTC FIN 22a 1 -07 -0.32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonenaaaa RW AMaa 160K 12aaaaaaaa SCP FIN 58a 1 +51 +0.88
    08 Sorvistoaaa CMaaaaa 180K 13aaaaaaaa TPV FIN 49a 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalaraa LW AMaa 600K 21aaaaaaaa CSP RUS 18a 1 +27 +1.50
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanena LW Aaaa 180K 13aaaaaaaa CSF FINa 2a 1 -02 -1.00
    09 Piirainenaa Aa Aaaa 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat
    the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3
    aaaa 01
    02aa 05aa 03
    aaaa 06
    07aa 04aa 11
    a 10 09 08
    No Playeraaaaa Ps Baaa OPra Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nata Ma Ga +- Avg+-
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantinia Gaaaaaa 450K 18 0000000 -aa ITA 33a 0 +46 +1.39
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominenaaa RB D,DM 160K 12aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 71a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggenaaaaaa CDaaaaa 450K 18aaaaaaaa HTP NOR 14a 0 +19 +1.36
    03 Nygardaaaaa LB D,DM 150K 11aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 70a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputtiaaaa CM DM,D 250K 15aaaaaaaa PTS FIN 47a 0 +34 +0.72
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonenaaaa RW AMaa 160K 12aaaaaaaa SCP FIN 58a 1 +51 +0.88
    04 McGinlayaaa CM DM,D 450K 18aaaaaaaa PTS SCO 35a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalaraa LW AMaa 600K 21aaaaaaaa CSP RUS 18a 1 +27 +1.50
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainenaa Aa Aaaa 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainena Aaaaaaa 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhalaaaaa Aaaaaaa 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2
    aaaa 01
    02 05a 06 03
    aaaa 04
    07aa 08aa 11
    aa 10a 09
    No Playeraaaaa Ps Baaa OPra Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nata Ma Ga +- Avg+-
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantinia Gaaaaaa 450K 18 0000000 -aa ITA 33a 0 +46 +1.39
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominenaaa RB D,DM 160K 12aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 71a 0 +44 +0.62
    05 Eggenaaaaaa CDaaaaa 450K 18aaaaaaaa HTP NOR 14a 0 +19 +1.36
    06 P.Viljanena CDaaaaa 160K 12aaaaaaaa HTP FIN 13a 0 +14 +1.08
    03 Nygardaaaaa LB D,DM 150K 11aaaaaaaa TSP FIN 70a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputtiaaaa CM DM,D 250K 15aaaaaaaa PTS FIN 47a 0 +34 +0.72
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonenaaaa RW AMaa 160K 12aaaaaaaa SCP FIN 58a 1 +51 +0.88
    08 McGinlayaaa CM DM,D 450K 18aaaaaaaa PTS SCO 35a 2 +35 +1.00
    11 Tsymbalaraa LW AMaa 600K 21aaaaaaaa CSP RUS 18a 1 +27 +1.50
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainenaa Aa Aaaa 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainena Aaaaaaa 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78





    Right so this is the time to let loose and experiment, right?

    So I want to go 4-2-4! 2-3-5! Even 6-3-1!


    Oh well.


    I guess I agree we should protect Da Bull from those Veikkausliiga
    butchers. Ollie.


    You meant Ben, right? Ollie suggests 4-4-2 with Tauriainen upfront,
    while Ben gives Da Bull a deserved rest!
    (Important to get this straight before the Evil Gamemaster says that
    the first answer is what counts and has already run the match...)



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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 8 04:08:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix:

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 04:52:59 +0100, milivella <milivella@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Futbolmetrix:

    Where is Scott when you need him?

    No trial player in the squad.

    We had one until last week (and a right back!), and he left just
    before he was about to given his big chance! I'm sure

    we should have played him when we had the chance, rather than snubbing him.

    [fixed it for you]

    Maybe we could train Da Bull to be more effective in positions other
    than the CF in a 3-4-3? But how?

    "T. Train = improve a player by 1 point out of 7 (if goalkeeping: out of
    47, and that will make his price higher) in a skill of your choice.
    - Consider that: you'll skip the next 3 or 4 (random choice; if
    goalkeeping, 3) market rounds (in addition to the current one).
    - You must specify: the player and the skill."

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 8 04:08:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix:

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 00:23:39 +0100, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I guess I agree we should protect Da Bull from those Veikkausliiga
    butchers. Ollie.


    You meant Ben, right? Ollie suggests 4-4-2 with Tauriainen upfront,
    while Ben gives Da Bull a deserved rest!
    (Important to get this straight before the Evil Gamemaster says that
    the first answer is what counts and has already run the match...)

    I have bad news for you...

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From Werner Pichler@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 8 07:19:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 00:23:39 +0100, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 01/01/2026 05:12, milivella wrote:
    What happened
    =============

    You chose to evaluate Vanhala.

    What happened (squad, bank, table, results of matches before yours if
    any, your fixture, opponents' line-up):
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0361/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    -a-a-a 01
    02-a 05-a 03
    -a 04-a 06
    07-a 08-a 11
    -a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62 >>> 05 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00 >>> 03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 >>> 06 Wiss-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CM DM-a-a 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTC FIN 22-a 1 -07 -0.32
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88
    08 Sorvisto-a-a-a CM-a-a-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TPV FIN 49-a 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanen-a LW A-a-a-a 180K 13-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSF FIN-a 2-a 1 -02 -1.00
    09 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Aggie the Agnostic, and Noah the Netter, and Pat >>> the Paranoid, and Will the Watcher):
    3-4-3
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02-a-a 05-a-a 03
    -a-a-a-a 06
    07-a-a 04-a-a 11
    -a 10 09 08
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62 >>> 05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88
    04 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00 >>> 11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhala-a-a-a-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64 >>>
    O. Ollie the Opponent:
    4-4-2
    -a-a-a-a 01
    02 05-a 06 03
    -a-a-a-a 04
    07-a-a 08-a-a 11
    -a-a 10-a 09
    No Player-a-a-a-a-a Ps B-a-a-a OPr-a Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat-a M-a G-a +- Avg+- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini-a G-a-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18 0000000 --a-a ITA 33-a 0 +46 +1.39 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen-a-a-a RB D,DM 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 71-a 0 +44 +0.62 >>> 05 Eggen-a-a-a-a-a-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP NOR 14-a 0 +19 +1.36
    06 P.Viljanen-a CD-a-a-a-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a HTP FIN 13-a 0 +14 +1.08
    03 Nygard-a-a-a-a-a LB D,DM 150K 11-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a TSP FIN 70-a 0 +42 +0.60
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti-a-a-a-a CM DM,D 250K 15-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS FIN 47-a 0 +34 +0.72 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen-a-a-a-a RW AM-a-a 160K 12-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a SCP FIN 58-a 1 +51 +0.88
    08 McGinlay-a-a-a CM DM,D 450K 18-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a PTS SCO 35-a 2 +35 +1.00 >>> 11 Tsymbalar-a-a LW AM-a-a 600K 21-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a CSP RUS 18-a 1 +27 +1.50 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen-a-a A-a A-a-a-a 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen-a A-a-a-a-a-a-a 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78





    Right so this is the time to let loose and experiment, right?

    So I want to go 4-2-4! 2-3-5! Even 6-3-1!


    Oh well.


    I guess I agree we should protect Da Bull from those Veikkausliiga
    butchers. Ollie.


    You meant Ben, right? Ollie suggests 4-4-2 with Tauriainen upfront,
    while Ben gives Da Bull a deserved rest!
    (Important to get this straight before the Evil Gamemaster says that
    the first answer is what counts and has already run the match...)



    Yeah, my bad.


    Ciao,
    Werner



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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 8 07:12:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 07:19:37 -0000 (UTC), Werner Pichler <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    You meant Ben, right? Ollie suggests 4-4-2 with Tauriainen upfront,
    while Ben gives Da Bull a deserved rest!
    (Important to get this straight before the Evil Gamemaster says that
    the first answer is what counts and has already run the match...)



    Yeah, my bad.

    The EGM is doing the Tardelli celebration in the background...
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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 9 04:49:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix:

    On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 07:19:37 -0000 (UTC), Werner Pichler <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:


    You meant Ben, right? Ollie suggests 4-4-2 with Tauriainen upfront,
    while Ben gives Da Bull a deserved rest!
    (Important to get this straight before the Evil Gamemaster says that
    the first answer is what counts and has already run the match...)



    Yeah, my bad.

    The EGM is doing the Tardelli celebration in the background...

    In slow motion.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Jan 10 16:02:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 04:08:09 +0100, milivella <milivella@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    "T. Train = improve a player by 1 point out of 7 (if goalkeeping: out of
    47, and that will make his price higher) in a skill of your choice.
    - Consider that: you'll skip the next 3 or 4 (random choice; if
    goalkeeping, 3) market rounds (in addition to the current one).
    - You must specify: the player and the skill."

    You missed being the EGM, eh?

    Thinking more about my question: how do we make Da Bull more effective
    in non 3-4-3 formations?

    Let's look at our forwards:

    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 40 14 +26 +0.65
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 60 86 +47 +0.78
    08 Vanhala A 250K 15 5214111 PTV FIN 61 18 +39 +0.64

    Da Bull is a slightly better finisher (inside the box) than Piirainen,
    but is just as good at shot velocity (even though the eye-test doesn't
    really agree with that). He's better at heading (a skill rarely used
    in the game), but sucks at passing.

    If we move him further away from goal in a 4-4-2 system: it would be
    useful if he improved his passing and long-range shot velocity. On the
    other hand, I am kind of intrigued by Vanhala's passing skills.
    4-4-1-1 is not a formation, is it? If Vanhala could be a bit better at finishing and shooting so that he overtakes Piirainen in the pecking
    order...




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