Another spin-off thread from the Worldwide all time top 9 that we compiled earlier this year. It got me wondering who was
the best team out of Torino and River Plate's teams of the 1940s. Other
than them, I've got no idea who the other candidates are for the top 10.
What do you think?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:07:22 +0000, Mark <noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid>
wrote:
Another spin-off thread from the Worldwide all time top 9 that we compiled earlier this year. It got me wondering who was
the best team out of Torino and River Plate's teams of the 1940s. Other than them, I've got no idea who the other candidates are for the top 10.
What do you think?
Boca took a couple of titles from River, so probably they were quite
close to La Maquina.
Probably Nacional and Penarol. Looks like Vasco was the dominant team
in the Carioca championship, and provided the core of the 1950
Brazilian national team. Sao Paulo won 5 Paulistas.
That's probably it. The Europeans were too busy killing each other for
the first part of the decade to produce really dominant teams.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:03:27 -0500, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:07:22 +0000, Mark <noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid> wrote:
Another spin-off thread from the Worldwide all time top 9 that we compiled earlier this year. It got me wondering who was
the best team out of Torino and River Plate's teams of the 1940s. Other than them, I've got no idea who the other candidates are for the top 10.
What do you think?
Boca took a couple of titles from River, so probably they were quite
close to La Maquina.
Probably Nacional and Penarol. Looks like Vasco was the dominant team
in the Carioca championship, and provided the core of the 1950
Brazilian national team. Sao Paulo won 5 Paulistas.
That's probably it. The Europeans were too busy killing each other for
the first part of the decade to produce really dominant teams.
So we have:
River Plate 1941-47: 4 Argentinian Championships, 2 runners-up
Boca Juniors 1943-47: 2 Argentinian Championships, 3 runners-up
Torino 1942-49: 5 (more or less consecutive) Italian Championships, 1 Coppa Italia
Nacional 1939-48(?): 7 Uruguayan Championships, 2 runners-up; and they were top of the table in 1948 when the League was abandoned due to a players strike
Penarol 1941-49(?): 3 Uruguayan Championships, 5 runners-up; and they were a close 2nd in 1948 when the League was abandoned due to a players strike
Vasco Da Gama 1944-50: 4 Carioca Championships, 2 runners-up (including 1944 when it looks as if they were joint runners-up with Botafogo)
Sao Paulo 1943-50: 5 Paulista Championships, 2 runners-up (including 1950 when it looks as if they were joint runners-up with Santos)
How should we rank them? How much weight should we give to the Brazilian State Championships? And what years do we include? In particular, there's got to be some doubt
about whether Nacional and Penarol had the same team for the periods I've indicated above.
Personally I'm not all that impressed by Penarol and in particular Boca Juniors's records. If we exclude them we've got a top 5.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:40:09 +0000, Mark wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:03:27 -0500, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:07:22 +0000, Mark
<noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid> wrote:
Another spin-off thread from the Worldwide all time top 9 that
we compiled earlier this year. It got me wondering who was the
best team out of Torino and River Plate's teams of the 1940s.
Other than them, I've got no idea who the other candidates are
for the top 10.
What do you think?
Boca took a couple of titles from River, so probably they were
quite close to La Maquina.
Probably Nacional and Penarol. Looks like Vasco was the dominant
team in the Carioca championship, and provided the core of the
1950 Brazilian national team. Sao Paulo won 5 Paulistas.
That's probably it. The Europeans were too busy killing each
other for the first part of the decade to produce really dominant
teams.
So we have:
River Plate 1941-47: 4 Argentinian Championships, 2 runners-up
Boca Juniors 1943-47: 2 Argentinian Championships, 3 runners-up
Torino 1942-49: 5 (more or less consecutive) Italian Championships,
1 Coppa Italia Nacional 1939-48(?): 7 Uruguayan Championships, 2 runners-up; and they were top of the table in 1948 when the League
was abandoned due to a players strike Penarol 1941-49(?): 3
Uruguayan Championships, 5 runners-up; and they were a close 2nd in
1948 when the League was abandoned due to a players strike Vasco Da
Gama 1944-50: 4 Carioca Championships, 2 runners-up (including 1944
when it looks as if they were joint runners-up with Botafogo) Sao
Paulo 1943-50: 5 Paulista Championships, 2 runners-up (including
1950 when it looks as if they were joint runners-up with Santos)
How should we rank them? How much weight should we give to the
Brazilian State Championships? And what years do we include? In
particular, there's got to be some doubt about whether Nacional and
Penarol had the same team for the periods I've indicated above.
Personally I'm not all that impressed by Penarol and in particular
Boca Juniors's records. If we exclude them we've got a top 5.
As I can't get the football match I tried to watch today full screen,
so I've got some time to spare, I might as well have a go at ranking
these:
1 River Plate 1941-47
2 Torino 1942-49
3 Nacional 1939-48 (with a ? regarding the years; I've got no idea
what their squad was) 4 Vasco Da Gama 1944-50
5 Sao Paulo 1943-50
And if anyone wants to include Penarol or Boca Juniors, please feel
free to say so.
I'm giving Vasco the edge over Sao Paulo because they had so many
players in the Brazil team that were runners-up in the 1950 World Cup.
So how's that ranking looking then? What do yous think?
Mark wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:40:09 +0000, Mark wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:03:27 -0500, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 14:07:22 +0000, Mark
<noreply@pugleaf.net.invalid> wrote:
Another spin-off thread from the Worldwide all time top 9 that
we compiled earlier this year. It got me wondering who was the
best team out of Torino and River Plate's teams of the 1940s.
Other than them, I've got no idea who the other candidates are
for the top 10.
What do you think?
Boca took a couple of titles from River, so probably they were
quite close to La Maquina.
Probably Nacional and Penarol. Looks like Vasco was the dominant
team in the Carioca championship, and provided the core of the
1950 Brazilian national team. Sao Paulo won 5 Paulistas.
That's probably it. The Europeans were too busy killing each
other for the first part of the decade to produce really
dominant teams.
So we have:
River Plate 1941-47: 4 Argentinian Championships, 2 runners-up
Boca Juniors 1943-47: 2 Argentinian Championships, 3 runners-up
Torino 1942-49: 5 (more or less consecutive) Italian
Championships, 1 Coppa Italia Nacional 1939-48(?): 7 Uruguayan Championships, 2 runners-up; and they were top of the table in
1948 when the League was abandoned due to a players strike
Penarol 1941-49(?): 3 Uruguayan Championships, 5 runners-up; and
they were a close 2nd in 1948 when the League was abandoned due
to a players strike Vasco Da Gama 1944-50: 4 Carioca
Championships, 2 runners-up (including 1944 when it looks as if
they were joint runners-up with Botafogo) Sao Paulo 1943-50: 5
Paulista Championships, 2 runners-up (including 1950 when it
looks as if they were joint runners-up with Santos)
How should we rank them? How much weight should we give to the
Brazilian State Championships? And what years do we include? In particular, there's got to be some doubt about whether Nacional
and Penarol had the same team for the periods I've indicated
above.
Personally I'm not all that impressed by Penarol and in particular
Boca Juniors's records. If we exclude them we've got a top 5.
As I can't get the football match I tried to watch today full
screen, so I've got some time to spare, I might as well have a go
at ranking these:
1 River Plate 1941-47
2 Torino 1942-49
3 Nacional 1939-48 (with a ? regarding the years; I've got no idea
what their squad was) 4 Vasco Da Gama 1944-50
5 Sao Paulo 1943-50
And if anyone wants to include Penarol or Boca Juniors, please feel
free to say so.
I'm giving Vasco the edge over Sao Paulo because they had so many
players in the Brazil team that were runners-up in the 1950 World
Cup.
So how's that ranking looking then? What do yous think?
Is that the official RSS consensus then? Should we have a vote as
there's been so little discussion of it? I want to know what other
people think, not just pass off my opinion as the rss consensus
because nobody says they disagree with it. (Unless you all say you do
agree with it of course.)
If I don't get any response by the end of next week, I'll either
assume that's the RSS consensus or organize a vote. Probably just
assume that's a consensus.
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