• Smoke and CO2 Alarms

    From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Wed Oct 29 22:24:33 2025
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    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them. I have added
    mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the batteries.
    I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready to take them
    out with fresh ones. Doing this should give adequate performance for
    the year, and removing them will also ensure the batteries don't start
    leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures. They can also become a fire
    hazard in this state. I have removed mine and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them when I begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.
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  • From bfh@redydog@rye.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 01:09:43 2025
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    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.-a I have
    added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the
    batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready to
    take them out with fresh ones.-a Doing this should give adequate
    performance for the year, and removing them will also ensure the
    batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures.-a They
    can also become a fire hazard in this state.-a I have removed mine and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them when I begin
    using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider: ------------------------------------------------------
    me: in a camper that uses propane for anything, is co or co2 more likely

    ChatGPT said:

    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about in
    terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) rCo not carbon dioxide (COree).

    HererCOs why:

    Propane combustion ideally produces:
    Carbon dioxide (COree) + water (HreeO) rCo both harmless at normal levels.

    But if propane burns incompletely rCo because of poor ventilation, a
    dirty burner, low oxygen, or a malfunctioning appliance rCo it produces
    carbon monoxide (CO) instead.

    CO (carbon monoxide) is the dangerous one:

    ItrCOs colorless, odorless, and deadly even in small amounts.

    It binds to your bloodrCOs hemoglobin and blocks oxygen delivery.

    ItrCOs a known risk in campers with propane stoves, furnaces, or heaters.

    COree (carbon dioxide) can build up only in extreme cases of poor
    ventilation, but itrCOs rarely a direct hazard in campers unless oxygen
    is severely depleted rCo which usually happens long after CO reaches
    dangerous levels.

    rLa Bottom line:
    In a propane-powered camper, carbon monoxide (CO) is far more likely
    and much more dangerous.
    You should always have a CO detector (not just a smoke alarm) inside
    the camper, ideally near the sleeping area. -----------------------------------------------
    That is an AI answer, but it agrees with what I thought I already knew
    from previous research after a problem with CO in my house from the
    gas water heater.

    Also, when placing either device, note that CO2 is heavier than air
    and CO is slightly lighter.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 09:33:21 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.-a I have
    added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the
    batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready to
    take them out with fresh ones.-a Doing this should give adequate
    performance for the year, and removing them will also ensure the
    batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures.-a They
    can also become a fire hazard in this state.-a I have removed mine and
    placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them when I begin
    using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about in
    terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) rCo not carbon dioxide (COree).

    My day to be inefficacous. Bill is entirely correct that the produced
    gas is CO and not CO2. I have changed the subject title to correct this error. Anyway, do consider taking out the batteries on these when in
    storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too. Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane detector in
    mine is hard wired to the house batteries. It will always draw a very
    small amount of juice, but won't need battery replacement.
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  • From bfh@redydog@rye.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 14:31:39 2025
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    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|e-a I have
    added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the
    batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready
    to take them out with fresh ones.|e-a Doing this should give adequate
    performance for the year, and removing them will also ensure the
    batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures.|e
    They can also become a fire hazard in this state.|e-a I have removed
    mine and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them
    when I begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about
    in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |ore4rCY not carbon dioxide
    (CO|orCUrCU).

    My day to be inefficacous.-a Bill is entirely correct that the produced
    gas is CO and not CO2.-a I have changed the subject title to correct
    this error.-a Anyway, do consider taking out the batteries on these
    when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane detector
    in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.-a It will always draw a
    very small amount of juice, but won't need battery replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the
    decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers
    also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody can
    smell CO. I must be missing something obvious.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 15:39:15 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 1:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|e-a I have
    added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the
    batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready
    to take them out with fresh ones.|e-a Doing this should give adequate >>>> performance for the year, and removing them will also ensure the
    batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures.|e They
    can also become a fire hazard in this state.|e-a I have removed mine
    and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them when I
    begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about
    in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |ore4rCY not carbon dioxide
    (CO|orCUrCU).

    My day to be inefficacous.-a Bill is entirely correct that the produced
    gas is CO and not CO2.-a I have changed the subject title to correct
    this error.-a Anyway, do consider taking out the batteries on these
    when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane detector
    in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.-a It will always draw a
    very small amount of juice, but won't need battery replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody can smell CO. I
    must be missing something obvious.

    Google AI

    Are carbon monoxide detectors mandatory in RVs

    Thinking
    Kicking off 7 searches
    Looking at 114 sites
    Putting it all together
    While there is no single, all-encompassing federal law in the U.S.
    requiring carbon monoxide (CO) detectors in RVs, multiple factors make
    them mandatory for new vehicles and highly recommended for all others
    . These factors include industry standards, state laws, Canadian
    regulations, and safety requirements in the UK and Europe.
    United States

    RVIA standards: The Recreational Vehicle Industry Association
    (RVIA) requires all new RVs built to their standards to have functioning
    CO detectors. A vast majority of new RVs sold in the U.S. adhere to
    these standards.
    Rental requirements: Many RV rental companies require their units
    to be equipped with working CO detectors.
    State and local laws: While not a federal mandate, some states and
    local jurisdictions have their own CO alarm laws that may extend to recreational vehicles.
    Strong recommendation: Major RV safety organizations, including the Escapees RV Club, strongly recommend that all RVs have a functional CO detector, regardless of age or existing regulations. Many older RVs were manufactured before these standards were common, so owners must install
    their own.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 15:40:57 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 1:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|e-a I have
    added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing the
    batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get ready
    to take them out with fresh ones.|e-a Doing this should give adequate >>>> performance for the year, and removing them will also ensure the
    batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the fixtures.|e They
    can also become a fire hazard in this state.|e-a I have removed mine
    and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to replace them when I
    begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about
    in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |ore4rCY not carbon dioxide
    (CO|orCUrCU).

    My day to be inefficacous.-a Bill is entirely correct that the produced
    gas is CO and not CO2.-a I have changed the subject title to correct
    this error.-a Anyway, do consider taking out the batteries on these
    when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane detector
    in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.-a It will always draw a
    very small amount of juice, but won't need battery replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody can smell CO. I
    must be missing something obvious.

    Also, is it possible your propane detector is one of those combination propane/CE devices?
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  • From bfh@redydog@rye.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 16:43:36 2025
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    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 1:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|arCU|e-a I >>>>> have added mine to the end of the season routine list for
    removing the batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first
    time I get ready to take them out with fresh ones.|arCU|e-a Doing this >>>>> should give adequate performance for the year, and removing them
    will also ensure the batteries don't start leaking alkaline and
    ruin the fixtures.|arCU They can also become a fire hazard in this
    state.|arCU|e-a I have removed mine and placed a tape on reminder
    inside the RV to replace them when I begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry
    about in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |a-o|orCU-4|ore4-Y not >>>> carbon dioxide (CO|a-o|ore4+i|ore4+i).

    My day to be inefficacous.|e-a Bill is entirely correct that the
    produced gas is CO and not CO2.|e-a I have changed the subject title
    to correct this error.|e-a Anyway, do consider taking out the
    batteries on these when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.|e-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane
    detector in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.|e-a It will
    always draw a very small amount of juice, but won't need battery
    replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the
    decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers
    also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody
    can smell CO. I must be missing something obvious.

    Google AI

    Are carbon monoxide detectors mandatory in RVs

    Thinking
    Kicking off 7 searches
    Looking at 114 sites
    Putting it all together
    While there is no single, all-encompassing federal law in the U.S.
    requiring carbon monoxide (CO) detectors in RVs, multiple factors make
    them mandatory for new vehicles and highly recommended for all others
    . These factors include industry standards, state laws, Canadian regulations, and safety requirements in the UK and Europe.
    United States

    -a-a-a RVIA standards: The Recreational Vehicle Industry Association
    (RVIA) requires all new RVs built to their standards to have
    functioning CO detectors. A vast majority of new RVs sold in the U.S.
    adhere to these standards.
    -a-a-a Rental requirements: Many RV rental companies require their units
    to be equipped with working CO detectors.
    -a-a-a State and local laws: While not a federal mandate, some states
    and local jurisdictions have their own CO alarm laws that may extend
    to recreational vehicles.
    -a-a-a Strong recommendation: Major RV safety organizations, including
    the Escapees RV Club, strongly recommend that all RVs have a
    functional CO detector, regardless of age or existing regulations.
    Many older RVs were manufactured before these standards were common,
    so owners must install their own.


    Well, hell. I'm behind again - but yours doesn't have one, or does it?
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  • From bfh@redydog@rye.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 16:48:20 2025
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    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 1:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|arCU|e-a I >>>>> have added mine to the end of the season routine list for
    removing the batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first
    time I get ready to take them out with fresh ones.|arCU|e-a Doing this >>>>> should give adequate performance for the year, and removing them
    will also ensure the batteries don't start leaking alkaline and
    ruin the fixtures.|arCU They can also become a fire hazard in this
    state.|arCU|e-a I have removed mine and placed a tape on reminder
    inside the RV to replace them when I begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry
    about in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |a-o|orCU-4|ore4-Y not >>>> carbon dioxide (CO|a-o|ore4+i|ore4+i).

    My day to be inefficacous.|e-a Bill is entirely correct that the
    produced gas is CO and not CO2.|e-a I have changed the subject title
    to correct this error.|e-a Anyway, do consider taking out the
    batteries on these when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.|e-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane
    detector in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.|e-a It will
    always draw a very small amount of juice, but won't need battery
    replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the
    decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers
    also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody
    can smell CO. I must be missing something obvious.

    Also, is it possible your propane detector is one of those combination propane/CE devices?

    I doubt it, but it's down next to the floor where it wouldn't be much
    good for CO. What year is your RV, and is your propane detector a combo?
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 15:51:41 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 3:43 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 1:31 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 AM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    Most of our units will have smoke and CO2 alarms in them.|arCU|e-a I >>>>>> have added mine to the end of the season routine list for removing >>>>>> the batteries. I will do this yearly and replace first time I get >>>>>> ready to take them out with fresh ones.|arCU|e-a Doing this should give >>>>>> adequate performance for the year, and removing them will also
    ensure the batteries don't start leaking alkaline and ruin the
    fixtures.|arCU They can also become a fire hazard in this state.|arCU|e
    I have removed mine and placed a tape on reminder inside the RV to >>>>>> replace them when I begin using it again.

    Something to consider doing.


    Something else to consider:


    In a camper (RV) that uses propane, the gas you need to worry about >>>>> in terms of danger is carbon monoxide (CO) |a-o|orCU-4|ore4-Y not carbon >>>>> dioxide (CO|a-o|ore4+i|ore4+i).

    My day to be inefficacous.|e-a Bill is entirely correct that the
    produced gas is CO and not CO2.|e-a I have changed the subject title
    to correct this error.|e-a Anyway, do consider taking out the
    batteries on these when in storage so they don't get mucked up.

    BTW, my unit, and I assume most others, does have a propane gas
    detector, too.|e-a Unlike the smoke and CO alarms, the propane
    detector in mine is hard wired to the house batteries.|e-a It will
    always draw a very small amount of juice, but won't need battery
    replacement.

    There's something I've thought about from time to time over the
    decades. Even my old 88 TT has a propane detector. Why don't campers
    also have CO detectors? Most people can smell propane, but nobody can
    smell CO. I must be missing something obvious.

    Google AI

    Are carbon monoxide detectors mandatory in RVs

    Thinking
    Kicking off 7 searches
    Looking at 114 sites
    Putting it all together
    While there is no single, all-encompassing federal law in the U.S.
    requiring carbon monoxide (CO) detectors in RVs, multiple factors make
    them mandatory for new vehicles and highly recommended for all others
    . These factors include industry standards, state laws, Canadian
    regulations, and safety requirements in the UK and Europe.
    United States

    -a-a-a-a RVIA standards: The Recreational Vehicle Industry Association
    (RVIA) requires all new RVs built to their standards to have
    functioning CO detectors. A vast majority of new RVs sold in the U.S.
    adhere to these standards.
    -a-a-a-a Rental requirements: Many RV rental companies require their units >> to be equipped with working CO detectors.
    -a-a-a-a State and local laws: While not a federal mandate, some states
    and local jurisdictions have their own CO alarm laws that may extend
    to recreational vehicles.
    -a-a-a-a Strong recommendation: Major RV safety organizations, including
    the Escapees RV Club, strongly recommend that all RVs have a
    functional CO detector, regardless of age or existing regulations.
    Many older RVs were manufactured before these standards were common,
    so owners must install their own.


    Well, hell. I'm behind again - but yours doesn't have one, or does it?


    Mine has all three. I just had the wrong gas in my brain when I wrote
    the original post which you correctly noticed.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 15:53:11 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 3:48 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:

    Also, is it possible your propane detector is one of those combination
    propane/CE devices?

    I doubt it, but it's down next to the floor where it wouldn't be much
    good for CO. What year is your RV, and is your propane detector a combo?

    Mines a 2025. All separate. The propane detector is just above the
    floor, and the smoke and CO alarms are on the ceiling.
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  • From bfh@redydog@rye.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 17:02:10 2025
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    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 3:48 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:

    Also, is it possible your propane detector is one of those
    combination propane/CE devices?

    I doubt it, but it's down next to the floor where it wouldn't be
    much good for CO. What year is your RV, and is your propane detector
    a combo?

    Mines a 2025.-a All separate.-a The propane detector is just above the floor, and the smoke and CO alarms are on the ceiling.

    Well then. You're all ready to grill a steak and smoke a cigar in your
    RV, and maybe survive it.
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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to rec.outdoors.rv-travel on Thu Oct 30 16:55:37 2025
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    On 10/30/2025 4:02 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 3:48 PM, bfh wrote:
    sticks wrote:

    Also, is it possible your propane detector is one of those
    combination propane/CE devices?

    I doubt it, but it's down next to the floor where it wouldn't be much
    good for CO. What year is your RV, and is your propane detector a combo?

    Mines a 2025.-a All separate.-a The propane detector is just above the
    floor, and the smoke and CO alarms are on the ceiling.

    Well then. You're all ready to grill a steak and smoke a cigar in your
    RV, and maybe survive it.

    Now that WOULD get me in trouble.
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