• Re: Frank Zappa and Bob Dylan

    From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) to rec.music.dylan,alt.fan.frank-zappa on Mon Feb 24 12:04:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.music.dylan

    On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 22:46:21 +0000, General Zod wrote:

    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:43:35 PM UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 8:48:40 AM UTC-5, K. Hematite wrote:
    On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 22:28:26 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 8:47:49 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:19:35 PM UTC-5, James Zadok
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 07:30:27 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:

    Did I not read a small blurb around 1977 or so, in RS Random
    Notes or the Creem Magazine version, a rumor or report that Zappa might
    produce a Dylan record?

    It was a very fleeting moment, sort of like the photograph that
    showed Lou RTeed and Ronnie Van Zandt drinking Budweiser, it is just
    about apocryphal, and of course never happened, either.

    Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll
    history?
    http://www.united-mutations.com/d/bob_dylan.htm

    "On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's
    doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story
    Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "Someone suddenly called up >>> saying "This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs." Zappa went
    on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via >>> a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray
    quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on >>> the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He
    seemed like a nice guy . . .I asked him if it had any Jesus in it . .
    .and he said no." When Zappa gave him something to eat, his dogs barked
    at Dylan. Zappa joked that his dog didn't like Christians, but Dylan
    didn't laugh. "Maybe he's not supposed to," Zappa said.

    "Dylan never followed up on the collaboration. Some of the songs
    he played for Zappa probably ended up on Dylan's next album, Infidels."
    "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got
    Blonde on Blonde and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know
    what I think of cowboy music." -Frank Zappa
    Will wrote:

    "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got
    Blonde on Blonde
    and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know what I think of
    cowboy music."
    -Frank Zappa
    What context did Zappa say this in? I'm hard put to hear cowboy music
    in Blonde on Blonde, so have to think there's a put on here. Or was he
    mixing BoB with the song John Wesley Harding or with Nashville Skyline?
    The first track of Blonde on Blonde was "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35." Give >>> a listen to the beginning of Gene Autry's "Rheumatism Blues":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHKhpoj5l7E
    Oh yeah, forgot about that. We had a go around on this in 2016, and
    somone also noted that the "beat" of Rainy Day Woman came from the song
    "TheyrCOre Coming to Take Me Away." The guitar riff seems more plausible,
    though the beat *is* similar:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn36l_z3WY

    Quite fascinating reading here...!

    Agreed.
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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) to rec.music.dylan on Thu Feb 27 19:38:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.music.dylan

    On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:48:38 +0000, K. Hematite wrote:

    On Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 22:28:26 UTC-5, Willie wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 8:47:49 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:19:35 PM UTC-5, James Zadok wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 07:30:27 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:

    Did I not read a small blurb around 1977 or so, in RS Random Notes
    or the Creem Magazine version, a rumor or report that Zappa might
    produce a Dylan record?

    It was a very fleeting moment, sort of like the photograph that
    showed Lou RTeed and Ronnie Van Zandt drinking Budweiser, it is just
    about apocryphal, and of course never happened, either.

    Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll history?
    http://www.united-mutations.com/d/bob_dylan.htm

    "On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's
    doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story
    Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "Someone suddenly called up >>> saying "This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs." Zappa went
    on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via >>> a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray
    quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on >>> the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He
    seemed like a nice guy . . .I asked him if it had any Jesus in it . .
    .and he said no." When Zappa gave him something to eat, his dogs barked
    at Dylan. Zappa joked that his dog didn't like Christians, but Dylan
    didn't laugh. "Maybe he's not supposed to," Zappa said.

    "Dylan never followed up on the collaboration. Some of the songs he
    played for Zappa probably ended up on Dylan's next album, Infidels."
    "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got Blonde
    on Blonde and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know what I
    think of cowboy music." -Frank Zappa
    Will wrote:

    "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got Blonde
    on Blonde
    and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know what I think of
    cowboy music."
    -Frank Zappa
    What context did Zappa say this in? I'm hard put to hear cowboy music in
    Blonde on Blonde, so have to think there's a put on here. Or was he
    mixing BoB with the song John Wesley Harding or with Nashville Skyline?


    The first track of Blonde on Blonde was "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35."
    Give a listen to the beginning of Gene Autry's "Rheumatism Blues":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHKhpoj5l7E

    That's interesting.

    EfyA
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to rec.music.dylan,alt.fan.frank-zappa on Thu Mar 6 09:42:42 2025
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    will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) wrote or quoted:
    Agreed.

    I mean, for example, Zappa published "Trouble Every Day",
    and then Dylan came out with "Trouble"!

    |There's no way to delay that trouble comin' every day
    Zappa

    |Trouble, trouble, trouble, nothing but trouble
    Dylan


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  • From will.dockery@will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) to rec.music.dylan,alt.fan.frank-zappa on Thu Mar 6 18:22:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.music.dylan

    On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Stefan Ram wrote:

    will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) wrote or quoted:

    Agreed.

    I mean, for example, Zappa published "Trouble Every Day",
    and then Dylan came out with "Trouble"!

    |There's no way to delay that trouble comin' every day
    Zappa

    |Trouble, trouble, trouble, nothing but trouble
    Dylan

    Very different songs though.
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