From Newsgroup: rec.music.dylan

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 20:39:30 +0000, General-Zod wrote:

Someone needs to permanently archive alt.arts.poetry.comments like this

by: khematite - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:31
Hi Willie. The listserv at Brown that served as an archive stopped
updating in August 2021. Fortunately, most of what was worthwhile about rec.music.dylan happened before that date and remains accessible. I
would hope that the Dylan archive at Tulsa would, at some point, make a
copy of the entire archive, keep it updated, and make it available in perpetuity. How long Brown will keep its archive up, I can only guess. I
have no idea how often (if ever) Brown does some house cleaning and
drops listservs with little or no activity. In any event, we all know
that forever is a very long time.

https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9701C&L=HWY61-L&P=R6930

Re: Khematite, are you there?
rec.music.dylan
by: williamgwilliams - Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:15
Thanks much, K, for the link to the Brown "HWY61-L Archives" listserve.
I see that its archive goes back to February, 1995. You posted this in a June, 2019 thread where I'd asked if someone owns RMD:

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In reviewing information about Usenet and the newsgroups that comprise
it, I've never seen the term "owner" used, except with regard to
listservs. Usenet was originally set up at the University of North
Carolina and Duke University, but as far as I can tell, neither of those institutions claims "ownership" of Usenet as a whole. Each newsgroup
within Usenet had a founder or founders, but they too have not claimed ownership (although some have sought to maintain a level of control by becoming "moderators" of the group they founded.

http://www.harley.com/usenet/usenet-tutorial/how-are-newsgroups-created.html

The closest thing to ownership of newsgroups is moderation. In setting
up a group, the founders could designate it as a "moderated" or
"unmoderated" group and presumably claim that title for themselves.
Moderated groups have a moderator who clears all posts for publication
and there's usually also a process in place to replace moderators who no longer want to perform that function. Rmd has, to the best of my
knowledge, never been moderated and has certainly never been "owned."

Rmd appears to have been founded by Tom Buckley (i.e., Buckley filed the original petition for creation of a Bob Dylan newsgroup with what's
known as the Big-8 Management Board that approves forwarding the
proposal for a new group to those who participate in Usenet). From the
rmd FAQ: "This particular Usenet newsgroup was founded July 31, 1989 by
Tom Buckley." A 1999 post from John Howells, an early contributor to rmd
and long-time disseminator of the rmd FAQ, hailed the upcoming tenth anniversary of rmd. Rmd, he noted, was born on July 31, 1989 when
"voting was completed and the group passed."

As the website linked to above says: "When the need arises for a new newsgroup, somebody will post an article to news.announce.newgroups
proposing the creation of the group. This type of proposal is called an
RFD ("request for discussion"). Once the RFD is posted, discussion
begins in news.groups.proposals. . . After a certain amount of
discussion, if the need for the newsgroup is well established, the Big-8 Management Board, following certain well-defined procedures, decides
whether or not to create the group."

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Subject: rec.music.dylan birthday
From: how...@best.com (John Howells)
Date: 4/29/99 2:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <howells....@shell4.ba.best.com>

We have now been able to determine conclusively that the actual birth
date for rec.music.dylan was July 31, 1989. This is the date that voting
was completed and the group passed, so on that day rec.music.dylan was
born. We're about three months away from celebrating the 10th
anniversary of that milestone. The countdown begins...

July 31, 1989: a day to remember.
====================================End of Khematite post======================================

I can't find anything via searching in the Google Group before May,
1995, but I assume, since what I do find there isn't "startup" material,
that the group was active before then. I wonder if it's possible to find posts before that. The Google Group search seems to correspond to the
Brown listserv archive start date, so that does seem to be what we've
all been using. Great idea about hoping the Tulsa museum picks it up
from Brown.

- Willie

We can try, at least.

EfyA
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