• Re: use AI "Deepseek" science welds

    From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Feb 13 13:40:51 2026
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    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m17bsgstvh.fsf@void.com...

    Do you find this attempt at a paraphrase acceptable?

    #ai:
    YesrCothat's entirely acceptable. More than acceptable; it's precise. ----------------------------

    I wonder how many ways the AI can paraphrase its own statements. Testing
    that might reveal its basic unit of information which could be a library of fine-sounding complete sentences.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Feb 13 16:45:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m17bsgstvh.fsf@void.com...
    #ai:
    YesrCothat's entirely acceptable. More than acceptable; it's precise.

    https://techxplore.com/news/2024-01-artificial-intelligence-grammar.html

    Perhaps the use of conversational, non-standard syntax is someone's idea of how to pass the Turing Test.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Feb 13 14:54:46 2026
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    On 2/13/2026 2:45 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith"-a wrote in message news:m17bsgstvh.fsf@void.com...
    #ai:
    YesrCothat's entirely acceptable. More than acceptable; it's precise.

    https://techxplore.com/news/2024-01-artificial-intelligence-grammar.html

    Perhaps the use of conversational, non-standard syntax is someone's idea
    of how to pass the Turing Test.



    How about when it just says it doesn't understand the request for a
    while after you call it a stupid f'ing AI for its previous bullshit
    answer. That's a human like trait right there. Acting sarcastic and
    peeved at the same time. Its easily programmable though.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Feb 13 19:28:12 2026
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10mo6j8$2metk$1@dont-email.me...

    How about when it just says it doesn't understand the request for a
    while after you call it a stupid f'ing AI for its previous bullshit
    answer. That's a human like trait right there. Acting sarcastic and
    peeved at the same time. Its easily programmable though.
    Bob La Londe
    ---------------------
    Marvin the Paranoid Android?

    Search AI often tells me that what I asked for doesn't exist so I have to
    find it myself, in this universe instead of its. I'm quite used to being
    asked for things that don't exist until I design and build one. I don't
    think we are ready for AI gaining that ability.

    Here is a way that AI might autonomously 3D-print circuits it designed, perhaps to advance its evolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoscale_vacuum-channel_transistor
    "Despite the name, vacuum-channel transistors do not need to be evacuated.
    The gap traversed by the electrons is so small that collisions with
    molecules of gas at atmospheric pressure are infrequent enough not to
    matter."

    It's simpler to make and more rugged than semiconducting Silicon and might
    be the basis of an alien species' computers.

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Feb 14 09:14:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m17bsgstvh.fsf@void.com...

    Do you find this attempt at a paraphrase acceptable?

    #ai:
    YesrCothat's entirely acceptable. More than acceptable; it's precise. ----------------------------

    I wonder how many ways the AI can paraphrase its own
    statements. Testing that might reveal its basic unit of information
    which could be a library of fine-sounding complete sentences.

    Another way to put it is - "It blows smoke up your ****" ;-)
    It flatters you, for sure.

    The good question is: how far have you progressed and does it look good galncing back, comparing to how far you got before meeting the AI?
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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Feb 14 09:31:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10mnke2$2ful0$1@dont-email.me...

    ..learned it mostly by studying the data sheets for
    new devices, which went beyond what anyone had learned in school."

    Here is an example that I studied when asked to design a controller
    for the new small hard drives in the early 80's. https://deramp.com/downloads/floppy_drives/FD1771%20Floppy%20Controller.pdf

    This is the manual-read which saved someone's life https://twindisc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/MG-MGX-Operators-manual-1016313_RevL_0818_CD.pdf
    Labelled Pages 3-5 to 3-8.

    Not on your level of sophistication, but the "stripped" diagram was what conveyed what the things do and how they work.

    A few days later a boatperson got caught in the bight / loops of their
    own rope on a nearly 30m work-boat...
    I knew the fingers of one hand had more digits than there were seconds
    for whatever needed to be done to have been done...

    Having seen that diagram, I knew the answer in that moment - get along,
    hail the skipper and get the boat to power astern into the current until
    the boatperson could climb out of their own rope.

    Manuals can be the raw information source which provides "the penny
    drops" moment.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Feb 14 08:47:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m11pinekna.fsf@void.com...

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10mnke2$2ful0$1@dont-email.me...

    ..learned it mostly by studying the data sheets for
    new devices, which went beyond what anyone had learned in school."

    Here is an example that I studied when asked to design a controller
    for the new small hard drives in the early 80's. https://deramp.com/downloads/floppy_drives/FD1771%20Floppy%20Controller.pdf

    This is the manual-read which saved someone's life https://twindisc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/MG-MGX-Operators-manual-1016313_RevL_0818_CD.pdf
    Labelled Pages 3-5 to 3-8.

    Not on your level of sophistication, but the "stripped" diagram was what conveyed what the things do and how they work.

    A few days later a boatperson got caught in the bight / loops of their
    own rope on a nearly 30m work-boat...
    I knew the fingers of one hand had more digits than there were seconds
    for whatever needed to be done to have been done...

    Having seen that diagram, I knew the answer in that moment - get along,
    hail the skipper and get the boat to power astern into the current until
    the boatperson could climb out of their own rope.

    Manuals can be the raw information source which provides "the penny
    drops" moment.

    -----------------------------------
    Shifting to neutral would still have allowed the propeller to continue to
    pull in the rope from the current flow?

    Understanding the electrical schematic of my car saved me from a lawsuit. It was a habit acquired from designing automotive electronics test equipment. I also quickly realized that a leaking thermostat was why the torque converter wouldn't lock up in cruise on my present car.

    I saw that the low fuel level sensor was a negative temperature coefficient (NTC) thermistor (variable resistor) on the fuel pump in series with the
    dash warning lamp. Immersion in fuel kept the thermistor cool and high resistance, when exposed it would heat up, the resistance drop, and the current rise enough to light the bulb, which then limited the current and further heating.

    That process had been claimed to be a trade secret of the previous employer
    of the developers of the machine I was working on, though the thermistor
    maker had published how to design it, a tricky balance of temperature,
    varying resistance and heat loss to air or liquid. Heat conductivity tapped into my Chemistry and Physics training, the power division between variable loads in series is a Calculus problem.

    The lawyer asked me innocent questions at first and then where I got the
    idea for my no-moving-parts liquid level detector circuit to which I could immediately answer "Oh, that's how my car's low fuel light works", which cleared me of the Intellectual Property theft charge. The rest of the
    lawsuit crippled the company and ended the project. I had lost the previous job the same way. The cost and distraction of fighting a suit is enough to ruin a small company putting its resources into new product development, whether they would win or lose.

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Feb 14 22:37:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m11pinekna.fsf@void.com...

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:10mnke2$2ful0$1@dont-email.me...

    ..learned it mostly by studying the data sheets for
    new devices, which went beyond what anyone had learned in school."

    Here is an example that I studied when asked to design a controller
    for the new small hard drives in the early 80's.
    https://deramp.com/downloads/floppy_drives/FD1771%20Floppy%20Controller.pdf

    This is the manual-read which saved someone's life https://twindisc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/MG-MGX-Operators-manual-1016313_RevL_0818_CD.pdf
    Labelled Pages 3-5 to 3-8.

    Not on your level of sophistication, but the "stripped" diagram was what conveyed what the things do and how they work.

    A few days later a boatperson got caught in the bight / loops of their
    own rope on a nearly 30m work-boat...
    I knew the fingers of one hand had more digits than there were seconds
    for whatever needed to be done to have been done...

    Having seen that diagram, I knew the answer in that moment - get along,
    hail the skipper and get the boat to power astern into the current until
    the boatperson could climb out of their own rope.

    Manuals can be the raw information source which provides "the penny
    drops" moment.

    -----------------------------------
    Shifting to neutral would still have allowed the propeller to continue
    to pull in the rope from the current flow?

    Understanding the electrical schematic of my car saved me from a
    lawsuit. It was a habit acquired from designing automotive electronics
    test equipment. I also quickly realized that a leaking thermostat was
    why the torque converter wouldn't lock up in cruise on my present car.

    I saw that the low fuel level sensor was a negative temperature
    coefficient (NTC) thermistor (variable resistor) on the fuel pump in
    series with the dash warning lamp. Immersion in fuel kept the
    thermistor cool and high resistance, when exposed it would heat up,
    the resistance drop, and the current rise enough to light the bulb,
    which then limited the current and further heating.

    That process had been claimed to be a trade secret of the previous
    employer of the developers of the machine I was working on, though the thermistor maker had published how to design it, a tricky balance of temperature, varying resistance and heat loss to air or liquid. Heat conductivity tapped into my Chemistry and Physics training, the power division between variable loads in series is a Calculus problem.

    The lawyer asked me innocent questions at first and then where I got
    the idea for my no-moving-parts liquid level detector circuit to which
    I could immediately answer "Oh, that's how my car's low fuel light
    works", which cleared me of the Intellectual Property theft
    charge. The rest of the lawsuit crippled the company and ended the
    project. I had lost the previous job the same way. The cost and
    distraction of fighting a suit is enough to ruin a small company
    putting its resources into new product development, whether they would
    win or lose.

    The rope was already attached to the boats bits, and had just had the
    loop of its eye-spliced end put around our barge's bollard. The line
    would have gone tight as the vessel powered against that spring-line
    with the rudders over 45deg to bring its stern in against our barge
    despite the fast current onto its stern.

    Even running-out through the fairlead the boatperson didn't have good prospects.

    There was no entanglement with the propeller.
    To advantage - in general polypropylene rope floats - don't get any
    lose on the water, but most of the time a mishap will be got-away-with
    as the rope floats clear of the propeller(s) (?).
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Feb 14 18:27:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1wm0flzov.fsf@void.com...

    The rope was already attached to the boats bits, and had just had the
    loop of its eye-spliced end put around our barge's bollard. The line
    would have gone tight as the vessel powered against that spring-line
    with the rudders over 45deg to bring its stern in against our barge
    despite the fast current onto its stern.

    Even running-out through the fairlead the boatperson didn't have good prospects.

    There was no entanglement with the propeller.
    To advantage - in general polypropylene rope floats - don't get any
    lose on the water, but most of the time a mishap will be got-away-with
    as the rope floats clear of the propeller(s) (?).

    ----------------------------
    I guessed wrong. I'm rarely around boats but when I am I pay attention to handling procedures and know what you meant. Mostly I canoe on lakes and streams. Wildlife seems less afraid if it doesn't see leg motion, like on a Segway.

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Feb 15 06:35:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1wm0flzov.fsf@void.com...

    The rope was already attached to the boats bits, and had just had the
    loop of its eye-spliced end put around our barge's bollard. The line
    would have gone tight as the vessel powered against that spring-line
    with the rudders over 45deg to bring its stern in against our barge
    despite the fast current onto its stern.

    Even running-out through the fairlead the boatperson didn't have good prospects.

    There was no entanglement with the propeller.
    To advantage - in general polypropylene rope floats - don't get any
    lose on the water, but most of the time a mishap will be got-away-with
    as the rope floats clear of the propeller(s) (?).

    ----------------------------
    I guessed wrong. I'm rarely around boats but when I am I pay attention
    to handling procedures and know what you meant. Mostly I canoe on
    lakes and streams. Wildlife seems less afraid if it doesn't see leg
    motion, like on a Segway.

    Sounds good.
    Mind's-eye sees quite a region.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Feb 13 10:24:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m17bsgstvh.fsf@void.com...

    Sharing with you this part of a "conversation" with the AI ("DeepSeek") Regards,
    Rich Smith
    --------------------------------

    The AI has a reasonably good ability to match and apply what it's been
    taught to analogous situations, which is the heart of a liberal arts education. Yesterday I tried a practice LSAT for law school admission which tested that ability by giving a scenario (case law?) and asking which of the following choices best matched it. Some alternatives simply repeated the buzzwords, others were close matches to the logic and very hard for me to choose between, I scored 3 out of 5.

    A practical example (of the test, too) is the patent dispute between Kilby
    and Noyce over the invention of the IC, which devolved to the wording of the interconnection method. https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/the-birth-of-the-integrated-circuit "The court conclusion came down to the terminology of rCLlaid downrCY and rCLadheredrCY used in each of the patents. In 1969, the appellate patent court made the final verdict that rCLKilbyrCOs didnrCOt prove the term rCylaid downrCO
    always meant or later came to mean the same as rCLadhererCY in either electronic
    or semiconductor technologies.rCY

    Science and engineering require the same logical reasoning ability except
    that the answers may not yet exist and aren't actively hiding from us. Also Nature is more demanding of correct Math than English.

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