• 7075 Vs Steel

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Jan 16 17:28:29 2026
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    I've machined 7075 before using speed and feed calculations on one of
    the CNC mills, and it machined just great.

    The other day I machined some 7075 manually on the lathe to make some
    mold inserts (for quick ship it was actually cheaper than other options
    in the size I needed).

    Dang its tough stuff. I had to look it up again. Its stronger than
    some steel alloys, and it machines like it.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Jan 16 22:40:20 2026
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10kel3g$24se0$1@dont-email.me...

    I've machined 7075 before using speed and feed calculations on one of
    the CNC mills, and it machined just great.

    The other day I machined some 7075 manually on the lathe to make some
    mold inserts (for quick ship it was actually cheaper than other options
    in the size I needed).

    Dang its tough stuff. I had to look it up again. Its stronger than
    some steel alloys, and it machines like it.
    Bob La Londe
    --------------------
    It's also brittle and notch sensitive. The poles of my tent, designed by a former aeronautical engineer, are 7001 which is relatively less brittle. Bungeeing it to a motorcycle was enough to crack one at the end. https://www.warmlite.com/?

    They moved to NH. When I stopped by for a replacement Jack showed me the 0.015" wall tube would support his barefoot (etc, see below) weight when bridged between 2x4 blocks.

    My tent is polyester fabric which is slightly less strong but much more UV resistant. While I was there a user phoned from the top of Mt Washington to report his tent was doing fine in a 135 MPH wind. Jack has designed for Mach 5.

    The original catalog reveals their "natural" California origin, among other things. Warning - prudes may be offended, but that's just how they are, get used to it. https://www.outinunder.com/sites/default/files/Warmlite%20Catalog%201974.pdf

    Some considerably more liberal Mensa friends thought I would fit their
    uptight stereotype of the Right until I took them to visit the Stephensons
    to ask about their island tent-cabin rental and we shared a hot tub with Jack's gorgeous wife Joan. My eyes, my eyes!

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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Jan 17 12:39:51 2026
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    On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 17:28:29 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    I've machined 7075 before using speed and feed calculations on one of
    the CNC mills, and it machined just great.

    The other day I machined some 7075 manually on the lathe to make some
    mold inserts (for quick ship it was actually cheaper than other options
    in the size I needed).

    Dang its tough stuff. I had to look it up again. Its stronger than
    some steel alloys, and it machines like it.

    It also rings like hardened steel, and so is what movie prop sword
    blades are made of.

    Joe
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Jan 17 10:52:15 2026
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    On 1/17/2026 10:39 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 17:28:29 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    I've machined 7075 before using speed and feed calculations on one of
    the CNC mills, and it machined just great.

    The other day I machined some 7075 manually on the lathe to make some
    mold inserts (for quick ship it was actually cheaper than other options
    in the size I needed).

    Dang its tough stuff. I had to look it up again. Its stronger than
    some steel alloys, and it machines like it.

    It also rings like hardened steel, and so is what movie prop sword
    blades are made of.

    Joe

    I offer one mold with either stainless inserts or at a lesser price
    aluminum inserts. Usually 6061-t6 aluminum. Its less about material
    cost than machining difficulty. I was out of the right size 6061, so I
    priced small quantities from different vendors for quick shipment. The
    7075 (probably old stock) was the cheapest for a six foot stick. I may
    order some more before they run out of the old stock.

    After working with it, and determining its general toughness I may
    consider pricing it in multi rod quantities and discontinue stainless as
    an option. Its not as tough as 304, but its tougher than any mold steel
    I have worked with.

    I was not aware of a brittleness property, but that may be a function of treatment. It is used for multiple firearms actions including for home builders in the rather brutal 1911 series. Of course it was the magic
    answer to toughness and corrosion resistance for the M16A1 in Vietnam
    over previous alloys.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Jan 17 10:56:52 2026
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    On 1/17/2026 10:52 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 1/17/2026 10:39 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 17:28:29 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    I've machined 7075 before using speed and feed calculations on one of
    the CNC mills, and it machined just great.

    The other day I machined some 7075 manually on the lathe to make some
    mold inserts (for quick ship it was actually cheaper than other options
    in the size I needed).

    Dang its tough stuff.-a I had to look it up again.-a Its stronger than
    some steel alloys, and it machines like it.

    It also rings like hardened steel, and so is what movie prop sword
    blades are made of.

    Joe

    I offer one mold with either stainless inserts or at a lesser price
    aluminum inserts.-a Usually 6061-t6 aluminum.-a Its less about material
    cost than machining difficulty.-a I was out of the right size 6061, so I priced small quantities from different vendors for quick shipment. The
    7075 (probably old stock) was the cheapest for a six foot stick.-a I may order some more before they run out of the old stock.

    After working with it, and determining its general toughness I may
    consider pricing it in multi rod quantities and discontinue stainless as
    an option.-a Its not as tough as 304, but its tougher than any mold steel
    I have worked with.

    MILD, not mold. Most mold steels are quite tough, and hard. The
    minimum is probably 4140HT, and most others for high production are much harder.


    I was not aware of a brittleness property, but that may be a function of treatment.-a It is used for multiple firearms actions including for home builders in the rather brutal 1911 series.-a Of course it was the magic answer to toughness and corrosion resistance for the M16A1 in Vietnam
    over previous alloys.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Jan 17 14:09:44 2026
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10kgi8h$2o03r$1@dont-email.me...

    I was not aware of a brittleness property, but that may be a function of treatment. It is used for multiple firearms actions including for home builders in the rather brutal 1911 series. Of course it was the magic
    answer to toughness and corrosion resistance for the M16A1 in Vietnam
    over previous alloys.
    Bob La Londe
    ------------------------------------

    I haven't found a clear and not highly technical reference on its properties for you. One showed fatigue life around 1000 cycles near yield strength, rapidly increasing below it. Another mentioned that sanding parallel to the stress with 150 grit paper was as effective as buffing to remove scratches that could initiate notch cracking. The M16 bolt locks into the barrel extension and doesn't stress the receiver. Likewise the 1911 barrel locks
    into grooves in the slide, not the frame.

    The aerospace advice I heard was to look closely at its strengths and liabilities before designing with it.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Jan 17 14:43:39 2026
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    On 1/17/2026 12:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10kgi8h$2o03r$1@dont-email.me...

    I was not aware of a brittleness property, but that may be a function of treatment.-a It is used for multiple firearms actions including for home builders in the rather brutal 1911 series.-a Of course it was the magic answer to toughness and corrosion resistance for the M16A1 in Vietnam
    over previous alloys.
    Bob La Londe
    ------------------------------------

    I haven't found a clear and not highly technical reference on its
    properties for you. One showed fatigue life around 1000 cycles near
    yield strength, rapidly increasing below it. Another mentioned that
    sanding parallel to the stress with 150 grit paper was as effective as buffing to remove scratches that could initiate notch cracking. The M16
    bolt locks into the barrel extension and doesn't stress the receiver. Likewise the 1911 barrel locks into grooves in the slide, not the frame.

    The aerospace advice I heard was to look closely at its strengths and liabilities before designing with it.

    Its true, the M16/AR15/M4 series of rifles is fairly gentle on the lower
    as are "most" gas impingement recoil systems since the whole of the
    operating recoil mechanism is in the upper *(not true gas, and not just
    direct impingement), but delayed blow back is still pretty hard on the structure. I wasn't saying 7075 could take repeated hammer blows over
    and over again, but that it could take a "lot" over and over again.

    * the nature of the Armalite mechanism is sometimes debated.

    My goal eventually for an aluminum 1911 frame is to run one with a GSG
    .22LR slide which changes things again. The GSG upper is basically
    direct blow back fully contained in the slide. Is there any hammering
    at the end of the stroke. Maybe, but not much force compared to the
    torquing of 45 ACP.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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