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If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you have
seen and heard all kinds of things. Yes split rims are as dangerous as
they say they are. I never saw one go, but I met a fellow who was
leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off the ceiling 16
feet up. Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to make it
a little easier to roll around the yard. Breaking down the old tires
(not split rims) was quite a chore. Nothing work. The bumper jack
trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much less break loose.
I bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual tire changing stand,
and the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't (in my opinion) setup
right. Over the last few months I played with all of that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead breaker
were no in a line in the shelf state. Made it impossible to get them in between the bead and the rim. I unbolted the hook feet, and machined
0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better, but I still couldn't get
them in between. Not even with a 3lb hammer. I tried hammering in
wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but it wasn't enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40 years in
one of the hottest climates on earth. I imagine the rubber is melted
and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide hammer
style breaker bar. I ground the pointy end of my straight pick flat,
and slid a post driver over it. BAM! Slide hammer style bead breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD. Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking long
it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the hydraulic
bead breaker in between. After several presses I was able to get the
bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim. My duck foot was a
total waste of time. Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this thing
was half rock and half rubber band. I had to cut the beads with a
sawzall to get it off the rim. That first tire took me well over 3
hours. Maybe closer to 4. I had to take a break after that. First I
sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the second
tire took me just 30 minutes. It was all the same work, but no wasted
work. It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a tire off a rim
is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer. I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker. I bet it would work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry rotted in
place. A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker works pretty
good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job.

I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it. I needed to
take another break.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

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From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

On 12/28/2025 4:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

Yes split rims are as dangerous as they say they are.-a I never saw one
go, but I met a fellow who was leaning over one when it went, and it
bounced him off the ceiling 16 feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took
the tips off two of his fingers

He figured the only reason it didn't kill him is it caught him flat and
he was a skinny little guy.

Maybe a knife fight he'd not won years before saved his life. I asked
him once why he barely ate at a meal, and he said, "I got in a fight
once, and the other guy's knife was a little longer than mine. Ain't
much stomach and intestine left after they put me back together. I can
only eat a little at a time."

Interesting fella. The kind you didn't ask him about stuff he had if he
liked you. He'd likely just give it to you. Took me a little growing
up to learn not to take advantage of folks like that.
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Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
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On 12/28/2025 6:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you have
seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as dangerous as they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a fellow who was
leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off the ceiling 16
feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to make it
a little easier to roll around the yard.-a Breaking down the old tires
(not split rims) was quite a chore.-a Nothing work.-a The bumper jack
trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much less break loose. I
bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual tire changing stand, and
the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't (in my opinion) setup right. Over the last few months-a I played with all of that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead breaker
were no in a line in the shelf state.-a Made it impossible to get them in between the bead and the rim.-a I unbolted the hook feet, and machined 0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better, but I still couldn't get
them in between.-a Not even with a 3lb hammer.-a I tried hammering in wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but it wasn't enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40 years in
one of the hottest climates on earth.-a I imagine the rubber is melted
and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide hammer style breaker bar.-a I ground the pointy end of my straight pick flat,
and slid a post driver over it.-a BAM!-a Slide hammer style bead breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD.-a Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking long
it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the hydraulic bead breaker in between.-a After several presses I was able to get the
bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim.-a My duck foot was a
total waste of time.-a Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this thing
was half rock and half rubber band.-a I had to cut the beads with a
sawzall to get it off the rim.-a That first tire took me well over 3 hours.-a Maybe closer to 4.-a I had to take a break after that.-a First I sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the second
tire took me just 30 minutes.-a It was all the same work, but no wasted work.-a It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a tire off a rim
is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer.-a I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker.-a I bet it would work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry rotted in
place.-a A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker works pretty
good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job.

I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it.-a I needed to
take another break.

Hi Bob,
For your 4th tire, try placing in the kitchen oven
for 20 minutes at 250 degrees!! Then beat it again??

Les
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On 12/29/2025 7:25 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/28/2025 6:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you have
seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as dangerous
as they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a fellow who was
leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off the ceiling 16
feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to make
it a little easier to roll around the yard.-a Breaking down the old
tires (not split rims) was quite a chore.-a Nothing work.-a The bumper
jack trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much less break
loose. I bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual tire changing
stand, and the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't (in my opinion)
setup right. Over the last few months-a I played with all of that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead
breaker were no in a line in the shelf state.-a Made it impossible to
get them in between the bead and the rim.-a I unbolted the hook feet,
and machined 0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better, but I
still couldn't get them in between.-a Not even with a 3lb hammer.-a I
tried hammering in wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but it wasn't
enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40 years
in one of the hottest climates on earth.-a I imagine the rubber is
melted and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide
hammer style breaker bar.-a I ground the pointy end of my straight pick
flat, and slid a post driver over it.-a BAM!-a Slide hammer style bead
breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD.-a Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking long
it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the
hydraulic bead breaker in between.-a After several presses I was able
to get the bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim.-a My duck foot was a
total waste of time.-a Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this thing
was half rock and half rubber band.-a I had to cut the beads with a
sawzall to get it off the rim.-a That first tire took me well over 3
hours.-a Maybe closer to 4.-a I had to take a break after that.-a First I >> sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the second
tire took me just 30 minutes.-a It was all the same work, but no wasted
work.-a It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a tire off a
rim is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer.-a I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker.-a I bet it would
work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry rotted
in place.-a A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker works
pretty good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job.

I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it.-a I needed to
take another break.

Hi Bob,
For your 4th tire, try placing in the kitchen oven
for 20 minutes at 250 degrees!!-a Then beat it again??

Les

My kitchen oven is not quite large enough. I guess this is a good
reason to buy that giant powder coat oven I have always wanted.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
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From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

On 12/29/2025 10:43 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

On 12/29/2025 7:25 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/28/2025 6:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you
have seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as
dangerous as they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a
fellow who was leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off
the ceiling 16 feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off
two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to make
it a little easier to roll around the yard.-a Breaking down the old
tires (not split rims) was quite a chore.-a Nothing work.-a The bumper
jack trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much less break
loose. I bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual tire
changing stand, and the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't (in my
opinion) setup right. Over the last few months-a I played with all of
that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead
breaker were no in a line in the shelf state.-a Made it impossible to
get them in between the bead and the rim.-a I unbolted the hook feet,
and machined 0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better, but I
still couldn't get them in between.-a Not even with a 3lb hammer.-a I
tried hammering in wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but it wasn't
enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40 years
in one of the hottest climates on earth.-a I imagine the rubber is
melted and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide
hammer style breaker bar.-a I ground the pointy end of my straight
pick flat, and slid a post driver over it.-a BAM!-a Slide hammer style
bead breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD.-a Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking
long it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the
hydraulic bead breaker in between.-a After several presses I was able
to get the bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim.-a My duck foot was a
total waste of time.-a Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this thing
was half rock and half rubber band.-a I had to cut the beads with a
sawzall to get it off the rim.-a That first tire took me well over 3
hours.-a Maybe closer to 4.-a I had to take a break after that.-a First >>> I sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the second
tire took me just 30 minutes.-a It was all the same work, but no
wasted work.-a It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a tire
off a rim is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer.-a I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker.-a I bet it would
work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry rotted
in place.-a A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker works
pretty good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job.

I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it.-a I needed to
take another break.

Hi Bob,
For your 4th tire, try placing in the kitchen oven
for 20 minutes at 250 degrees!!-a Then beat it again??

Les

My kitchen oven is not quite large enough.-a I guess this is a good
reason to buy that giant powder coat oven I have always wanted.

Glad I could help with the purchase of your next toy!!
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From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

On 12/29/2025 9:14 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/29/2025 10:43 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

On 12/29/2025 7:25 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/28/2025 6:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you
have seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as
dangerous as they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a
fellow who was leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off
the ceiling 16 feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off
two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to
make it a little easier to roll around the yard.-a Breaking down the
old tires (not split rims) was quite a chore.-a Nothing work.-a The
bumper jack trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much less
break loose. I bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual tire
changing stand, and the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't (in
my opinion) setup right. Over the last few months-a I played with all >>>> of that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead
breaker were no in a line in the shelf state.-a Made it impossible to >>>> get them in between the bead and the rim.-a I unbolted the hook feet, >>>> and machined 0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better, but I
still couldn't get them in between.-a Not even with a 3lb hammer.-a I >>>> tried hammering in wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but it wasn't
enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40
years in one of the hottest climates on earth.-a I imagine the rubber >>>> is melted and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide
hammer style breaker bar.-a I ground the pointy end of my straight
pick flat, and slid a post driver over it.-a BAM!-a Slide hammer style >>>> bead breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD.-a Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking
long it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the
hydraulic bead breaker in between.-a After several presses I was able >>>> to get the bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim.-a My duck foot was
a total waste of time.-a Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this
thing was half rock and half rubber band.-a I had to cut the beads
with a sawzall to get it off the rim.-a That first tire took me well
over 3 hours.-a Maybe closer to 4.-a I had to take a break after
that.-a First I sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the second
tire took me just 30 minutes.-a It was all the same work, but no
wasted work.-a It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a
tire off a rim is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer.-a I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker.-a I bet it would
work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry
rotted in place.-a A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker
works pretty good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job.

I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it.-a I needed
to take another break.

Hi Bob,
For your 4th tire, try placing in the kitchen oven
for 20 minutes at 250 degrees!!-a Then beat it again??

Les

My kitchen oven is not quite large enough.-a I guess this is a good
reason to buy that giant powder coat oven I have always wanted.

Glad I could help with the purchase of your next toy!!

Now that I have put out several thousand dollars based on your recommendation... How exactly does it help with that tire problem?
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
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From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

On 12/29/2025 11:33 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

On 12/29/2025 9:14 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/29/2025 10:43 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

On 12/29/2025 7:25 AM, ABLE1 wrote:

On 12/28/2025 6:38 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you
have seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as
dangerous as they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a
fellow who was leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him
off the ceiling 16 feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips >>>>> off two of his fingers.

I'm in the process of slapping some new rubber on the '42 GPW to
make it a little easier to roll around the yard.-a Breaking down the >>>>> old tires (not split rims) was quite a chore.-a Nothing work.-a The >>>>> bumper jack trick didn't even make the beads break a sweat much
less break loose. I bent the lever on the bead breaker on my manual >>>>> tire changing stand, and the hydraulic bead breaker I bought wasn't >>>>> (in my opinion) setup right. Over the last few months-a I played
with all of that.

The hook feet and the press foot on the air over hydraulic bead
breaker were no in a line in the shelf state.-a Made it impossible
to get them in between the bead and the rim.-a I unbolted the hook
feet, and machined 0.180" off of them and it looked a lot better,
but I still couldn't get them in between.-a Not even with a 3lb
hammer.-a I tried hammering in wedges, and that was okay, maybe, but >>>>> it wasn't enough.

Now to be fair those tires have been on those rims well over 40
years in one of the hottest climates on earth.-a I imagine the
rubber is melted and extruded into the pores in the metal.

I soaked the bead with penetrating oil, and invented my own slide
hammer style breaker bar.-a I ground the pointy end of my straight
pick flat, and slid a post driver over it.-a BAM!-a Slide hammer
style bead breaker.

IT DID NOT BREAK THE BEAD.-a Maybe if I kept at it way to freaking
long it might have, but it did give me enough purchase to drive the >>>>> hydraulic bead breaker in between.-a After several presses I was
able to get the bead off the bead seat.

Then it wouldn't flex enough to come off the rim.-a My duck foot was >>>>> a total waste of time.-a Its fine for soft pliable tires, but this
thing was half rock and half rubber band.-a I had to cut the beads
with a sawzall to get it off the rim.-a That first tire took me well >>>>> over 3 hours.-a Maybe closer to 4.-a I had to take a break after
that.-a First I sprayed all the beads with penetrating lube.

When I worked up the gumption out back of the shop again, the
second tire took me just 30 minutes.-a It was all the same work, but >>>>> no wasted work.-a It actually seamed easier, but 30 minutes to get a >>>>> tire off a rim is not what I would call easy.

The third tire seemed easier than the second, but it took a little
longer.-a I guess I'm getting old.

Anyway, if the wedge end isn't to sharp a straight pick and a post
driver make a fair slide hammer style bead breaker.-a I bet it would >>>>> work pretty good if the tires weren't nearly rock hard and dry
rotted in place.-a A cheap Chinese air over hydraulic bead breaker
works pretty good if it can actually get some purchase to do its job. >>>>>
I still haven't dragged the 4th tire over to work on it.-a I needed >>>>> to take another break.

Hi Bob,
For your 4th tire, try placing in the kitchen oven
for 20 minutes at 250 degrees!!-a Then beat it again??

Les

My kitchen oven is not quite large enough.-a I guess this is a good
reason to buy that giant powder coat oven I have always wanted.

Glad I could help with the purchase of your next toy!!

Now that I have put out several thousand dollars based on your recommendation... How exactly does it help with that tire problem?

That will be a mystery until you try it!!
If it fails then return it as improper advertising!!

Then again you could just try a Burn Pile on the back 40!!

Use the giant powder coat oven to satisfy your other goals!!
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10isf1e$k79i$1@dont-email.me...

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you have
seen and heard all kinds of things. Yes split rims are as dangerous as
they say they are. I never saw one go, but I met a fellow who was
leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off the ceiling 16
feet up. Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off two of his fingers.

------------------------------------

The Army motor pool had a cage welded from rebar for inflating split rims.
The bulge on one side showed why it was needed.

I've heard of beads being glued so they wouldn't pull loose after running
flat and could be patched and reinflated on the road. The tires on my older garden tractor were glued too tightly for me and almost for a tire shop.

After cleaning the bead seating surfaces what do you paint them with?

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On 12/29/2025 11:26 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10isf1e$k79i$1@dont-email.me...

If you hung around shops and work spaces at any time I'm sure you have
seen and heard all kinds of things.-a Yes split rims are as dangerous as
they say they are.-a I never saw one go, but I met a fellow who was
leaning over one when it went, and it bounced him off the ceiling 16
feet up.-a Broke a couple ribs, and took the tips off two of his fingers.

------------------------------------

The Army motor pool had a cage welded from rebar for inflating split
rims. The bulge on one side showed why it was needed.

I've heard of beads being glued so they wouldn't pull loose after
running flat and could be patched and reinflated on the road. The tires
on my older garden tractor were glued too tightly for me and almost for
a tire shop.

After cleaning the bead seating surfaces what do you paint them with?

I use the rust conversion primer from the local auto parts store .
May or may not follow up with a "finish"coat depending on how pressed I
am to get the tire back in service .
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when they stayed foreign ...
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