• Another rust question

    From bp@bp@www.zefox.net to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 17:36:59 2025
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    Long ago I remember a priming paint sold for use on rusted steel
    surfaces without cleaning beyond removing loose rust.

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.

    I can't remember the name and now find nothing that matches the
    description on line, so far as I've looked.

    There's a stretch of gutter on my roof that has pinholed rust.
    It would be nice if I could try such a primer on the interior
    surface of the gutter to extend its life by a couple of years.

    If this tale jogs any memories please write.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska


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  • From Leon Fisk@lfiskgr@gmail.invalid to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 14:33:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:36:59 -0000 (UTC)
    bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.
    <sniP.

    Maybe Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer. I used to have some around. Probably
    not applicable in your area but try not to let it freeze...

    Seemed to help some when I was doing body work on vehicles for areas I
    couldn't prep mechanically well...

    https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-7830730-7830-730-Rust-Reformer/dp/B000BZZ56S/

    I usually brush off gutter areas like that on the inside and
    smear Roof Cement on them. Really bad spots will get a bit of roof
    cement and I'll also press a sheet metal patch or similar down on top
    of it while it's still gooey...
    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 14:40:31 2025
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    BP wrote in message news:10dlm7r$5f5t$1@dont-email.me...

    Long ago I remember a priming paint sold for use on rusted steel
    surfaces without cleaning beyond removing loose rust.

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.

    I can't remember the name and now find nothing that matches the
    description on line, so far as I've looked.

    There's a stretch of gutter on my roof that has pinholed rust.
    It would be nice if I could try such a primer on the interior
    surface of the gutter to extend its life by a couple of years.

    If this tale jogs any memories please write.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska
    ---------------------------------

    P O R Rust Converter. When it came out I called to ask if it was suitable
    for car body rust and they said no, possibly because UV degrades it.

    I'm taking a break from grinding out body rust spots on the 91 Ranger with a 2" abrasive fiber pad on an HF air angle grinder, among my favorite power tools. It might not be as satisfactory with a smaller compressor, mine is 3+ HP, 80 gallons, a mixed breed salvage project. A swivel coupler on the
    tool's air input improves its maneuverability. Rustoleum primer + paint has held up well for me on outdoor projects, but I prefer SEM products on vehicles.

    My gutters are plastic with shop-made hangers of 1/8" aluminum flat stock
    that doesn't go over the top, thus I can clean them from the ground with a gutter cleaning scoop on a pool cleaning extension pole.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 11:44:33 2025
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    On 10/26/2025 10:36 AM, bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    Long ago I remember a priming paint sold for use on rusted steel
    surfaces without cleaning beyond removing loose rust.

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.

    I can't remember the name and now find nothing that matches the
    description on line, so far as I've looked.

    There's a stretch of gutter on my roof that has pinholed rust.
    It would be nice if I could try such a primer on the interior
    surface of the gutter to extend its life by a couple of years.

    If this tale jogs any memories please write.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska




    Extend maybe.
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    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 14:46:03 2025
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    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:10dlphe$5ll8$1@dont-email.me...

    On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:36:59 -0000 (UTC)
    bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.
    <sniP.

    Maybe Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer. I used to have some around. Probably
    not applicable in your area but try not to let it freeze...

    Seemed to help some when I was doing body work on vehicles for areas I
    couldn't prep mechanically well...

    https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-7830730-7830-730-Rust-Reformer/dp/B000BZZ56S/

    I usually brush off gutter areas like that on the inside and
    smear Roof Cement on them. Really bad spots will get a bit of roof
    cement and I'll also press a sheet metal patch or similar down on top
    of it while it's still gooey...

    --------------------------------------
    I've had good results doing that on punctures in corrugated galvy roofing.
    The corrugated patches cut from destroyed panels are pop riveted on the
    ridge tops.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 14:45:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 10/26/2025 1:44 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/26/2025 10:36 AM, bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
    Long ago I remember a priming paint sold for use on rusted steel
    surfaces without cleaning beyond removing loose rust.

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.

    I can't remember the name and now find nothing that matches the
    description on line, so far as I've looked.

    There's a stretch of gutter on my roof that has pinholed rust.
    It would be nice if I could try such a primer on the interior
    surface of the gutter to extend its life by a couple of years.

    If this tale jogs any memories please write.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska



    Extend maybe.


    Dupli-Color makes a product called Rust Fix , product RF129 in a spray
    can . It calls for a coat of paint or other primer over the rust fix .
    Worked for me on the inside of a post hole auger gear box . Got mine a O'Reilly Auto Parts .
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 22:05:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 26/10/2025 18:40, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    BP wrote in message news:10dlm7r$5f5t$1@dont-email.me...

    Long ago I remember a priming paint sold for use on rusted steel
    surfaces without cleaning beyond removing loose rust.

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.

    I can't remember the name and now find nothing that matches the
    description on line, so far as I've looked.

    There's a stretch of gutter on my roof that has pinholed rust.
    It would be nice if I could try such a primer on the interior
    surface of the gutter to extend its life by a couple of years.

    If this tale jogs any memories please write.

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska
    ---------------------------------

    I think the stuff that turns black is based on tannic acid and converts
    the surface rust into iron tannate.



    P O R Rust Converter. When it came out I called to ask if it was
    suitable for car body rust and they said no, possibly because UV
    degrades it.

    I'm taking a break from grinding out body rust spots on the 91 Ranger
    with a 2" abrasive fiber pad on an HF air angle grinder, among my
    favorite power tools. It might not be as satisfactory with a smaller compressor, mine is 3+ HP, 80 gallons, a mixed breed salvage project.
    A swivel coupler on the tool's air input improves its maneuverability. Rustoleum primer + paint has held up well for me on outdoor projects,
    but I prefer SEM products on vehicles.

    My gutters are plastic with shop-made hangers of 1/8" aluminum flat
    stock that doesn't go over the top, thus I can clean them from the
    ground with a gutter cleaning scoop on a pool cleaning extension pole.


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  • From bp@bp@www.zefox.net to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Oct 26 22:56:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 17:36:59 -0000 (UTC)
    bp@www.zefox.net wrote:

    Physically it resembled white glue, but when coated on rusty
    surfaces the rust turned black and became paintable. It was
    nowhere near as good as abrading to clean metal, but helped some.
    I believe the product was a latex paint with phosphoric acid, but
    don't have any firm evidence, nor evidence the idea makes sense.
    <sniP.

    Maybe Rust-Oleum Rust Reformer. I used to have some around. Probably
    not applicable in your area but try not to let it freeze...

    The description of RO Rust Reformer matches my memory of how the
    original material behaved. None of the brand names folks have
    mentioned ring any bells with me, so perhaps the product lived
    on after the original supplier, under many labels.


    Seemed to help some when I was doing body work on vehicles for areas I couldn't prep mechanically well...

    I was doing the same thing...

    https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-7830730-7830-730-Rust-Reformer/dp/B000BZZ56S/

    I usually brush off gutter areas like that on the inside and
    smear Roof Cement on them. Really bad spots will get a bit of roof
    cement and I'll also press a sheet metal patch or similar down on top
    of it while it's still gooey...

    Roofing cement is an interesting idea. I have quite a lot, and never thought
    of using it. Looking again at the gutter it appears to be badly pinholed
    over a span of about two feet. I was going to wire brush it, but will wait
    till examining the inside; a wire brush might completely destroy it....

    Thanks to everyone for replying!

    bob prohaska

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