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You are folk of many and diverse talents.

In my outbuilding, to get up to the space above the horizontal roof
beams, I need a ladder exactly 3366mm length.

That's

(/ 3366 25.4 12) ;; 11.043307086614172 ;; ft
(- (/ 3366 25.4) (* 11 12)) ;; 0.5196850393700743 ;; inches

11ft length

In explanation

* 3120mm floor to roof-beam base vertically
* 1-to-4 rule - 1 length "out" for 4 lengths of height
* which means length of ladder is sqrt(17/16) of vertical height
(comes from "Pythagoras")

So

(+
(*
(sqrt (/ 17.0 16)) ;; 1.0307764064044151
3120) ;; 3216.0223879817754
100 ;; mm ;; the height of the roof beams
50 ;; just a bit more
) ;; 3366.0223879817754

The idea is, that allows me to carry that ladder into the outbuilding
readily, then tip it upright and "catch" whichever roof-beam I want it
to lean against.

Then I can leave that ladder propped up vertically against the far
wall without being long enough to hit the roof.

How would one arrive at a ladder of exactly that length?
Any advice?

Rich S
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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1347jampf.fsf@void.com...

You are folk of many and diverse talents.

In my outbuilding, to get up to the space above the horizontal roof
beams, I need a ladder exactly 3366mm length.

That's

(/ 3366 25.4 12) ;; 11.043307086614172 ;; ft
(- (/ 3366 25.4) (* 11 12)) ;; 0.5196850393700743 ;; inches

11ft length

In explanation

* 3120mm floor to roof-beam base vertically
* 1-to-4 rule - 1 length "out" for 4 lengths of height
* which means length of ladder is sqrt(17/16) of vertical height
(comes from "Pythagoras")

So

(+
(*
(sqrt (/ 17.0 16)) ;; 1.0307764064044151
3120) ;; 3216.0223879817754
100 ;; mm ;; the height of the roof beams
50 ;; just a bit more
) ;; 3366.0223879817754

The idea is, that allows me to carry that ladder into the outbuilding
readily, then tip it upright and "catch" whichever roof-beam I want it
to lean against.

Then I can leave that ladder propped up vertically against the far
wall without being long enough to hit the roof.

How would one arrive at a ladder of exactly that length?
Any advice?

Rich S

----------------------------

Shorten a longer one?

In the US ladder steps are one foot apart, 30 Cm, and about 40 - 45 Cm wide.

I made one to fit an exact space, with top end eyes that fit over fixed
hooks, from 2x4 (4 Cm x 9 Cm) pine wall studs with notches for the steps cut on a table saw. I've made them with the steps level when upright and with
them nearly level when leaning, and don't notice much difference. I think identical step heights is more important than the precise leaning angle.

If you don't have a power saw available a hand saw can cut tight-fitting notches if you clamp vertical wood guide blocks snugly on either side of the step and use them to guide the saw blade; the kerf will be within the step space. For timber framing I use a pruning bow saw with a freshly sharpened blade when working away from electricity or on a ladder.

A discarded and damaged aluminum ladder that I repaired and modified to work on wood shed roofs has bolts through the top end (the I-beam flange) that catch on rafters to stabilize it, since the lower end is on somewhat uneven ground or snow/ice.

This light and stable ladder is my favorite for jobs within its reach. It stores upright between the peaked roof shed's (horizontal) ceiling joists in the open space between the eaves and the central catwalk. https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Werner-8-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-12-ft-Reach-Height-with-250-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-I-Duty-Rating-368/100659876?


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On 10/15/2025 5:26 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

Shorten a longer one?

Exactly what I was thinking.

A short extension ladder might be another option. Maybe add some cable
hooks for safety.

I have an extension ladder that might do the trick. It has cable hooks
and a pole cradle. Haven't used it in years. I suppose I should sell
it, but then the next day for no reason I can think of I'd certainly set
some poles and string some cable out back.
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10cpetm$2707$1@dont-email.me...

On 10/15/2025 5:26 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

Shorten a longer one?

Exactly what I was thinking.

A short extension ladder might be another option. Maybe add some cable
hooks for safety.

I have an extension ladder that might do the trick. It has cable hooks
and a pole cradle. Haven't used it in years. I suppose I should sell
it, but then the next day for no reason I can think of I'd certainly set
some poles and string some cable out back.
Bob La Londe

---------------------------
Perhaps someone will give you a windmill. People offer me a lot of free
stuff they found they can't use, most recently an HDTV that was too large
for the shelf in their camper, but just right to replace my dead analog tube TV.

My ladders don't have cable hooks but I can borrow one that does. This helps keep a ladder centered and stable against a tree. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGR9PN8Y/ref=twister_B0CGRCS8W6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

For working on the house a spreader is more useful, to span windows and
avoid damaging gutters. This shows how they can support a ladder by the shingles instead of the eaves. https://laddersafetyrails.com/blogs/blog/5-tips-for-safely-setting-up-your-ladder-on-a-sloped-roof

The first large picture shows the shingles supporting a rubber-footed
spreader bar, which I have, plus handrail extensions that I don't have
because the ladder with top eyes for hooks accesses the roof through a removable hatch in the deck roof overhang, in line with steps and a handrail resting on the shingles to reach the chimney cleaning platform.

The spreader can hook over beams and ceiling joists as long as it can pass
up between them. I had to look up the names of roof framing members, I had confused ceiling joists with collar ties.

I added that structure on the roof to avoid having to climb a ladder to
clean the chimney when the ground and roof are covered with ice. Usually the cable and pulley system is enough to clean the chimney from the ground (weekly) but the brush weight may not be enough to pull it through a thicker carbon buildup from a late night smoky fire of internally damp wood in very cold weather that stiffens the nylon brush bristles. I may not notice that a fallen branch has caused a leak in a snow covered woodshed roof.

It's all shop-made (artisan-crafted) including the nylon chimney brush of
3mm string trimmer line and the remotely opened and closed rain cap. The
roof platform rests on pipe posts sealed by the rubber boots meant for drain vent stacks. The boots cover leveling wedges and pipe floor flanges screwed into the rafters. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Oatey-1-1-2-in-To-3-in-x-15-in-Plastic-Vent-and-Pipe-Flashing/1057441

They sell new rubber boots minus the large plate that slip over the old ones when they degrade. I added these under the ridge cap for rappelling anchors and upper structure attachments. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-Stainless-Steel-Permanent-D-Ring-Fall-Protection-Roof-Anchor-A230302W/318086043?

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Thanks everyone.
Sawing off a longer ali ladder I did wonder about.
Short two-part extending ladder I did not think to ask about. Would
make sense for a tradeperson with a small van with a roofrack (think European-sized vehicles), so there would be a market.
Best wishes
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The 2-part extending ladder thing looks to be a very good answer.

"Werner Pro 4.08m Extension Ladder"
available at a local shop.


There's
"WERNER PRO 4.13M EXTENSION LADDER"
which is triple extension and closed length is 1.89m - will measure
tomorrow if will fit inside the car, no need for a roof-rack.

Thanks - been prompted in a useful direction.
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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1bjm6bs4t.fsf@void.com...

Thanks everyone.
Sawing off a longer ali ladder I did wonder about.
Short two-part extending ladder I did not think to ask about. Would
make sense for a tradeperson with a small van with a roofrack (think European-sized vehicles), so there would be a market.
Best wishes

--------------------------------------

Telescoping ladders are even more compact:
https://diyladders.co.uk/

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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1bjm6bs4t.fsf@void.com...

Thanks everyone.
Sawing off a longer ali ladder I did wonder about.
Short two-part extending ladder I did not think to ask about. Would
make sense for a tradeperson with a small van with a roofrack (think European-sized vehicles), so there would be a market.
Best wishes

-------------------------------------------

Yesterday I carried 21' lengths of pipe on my car's roof rack.

Due to a failed joint venture it's body is a copy of the Land Rover
Freelander 1, a very practical design I prefer to the current offerings. Fortunately its electricals and mechanicals are Honda.

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message
news:m1bjm6bs4t.fsf@void.com... Thanks everyone.
Sawing off a longer ali ladder I did wonder about.
Short two-part extending ladder I did not think to ask about. Would
make sense for a tradeperson with a small van with a roofrack (think European-sized vehicles), so there would be a market.
Best wishes

--------------------------------------

Telescoping ladders are even more compact:
https://diyladders.co.uk/

Multi-section ladder...

I had the perception that in a workshop it is likely to fill with grit - grinding dust, etc.

I have ordered a single section ladder of hopefully just the right
length.
Should arrive today.


That said - I realised that a ladder which would readily fit in a car
and could be carried without drawing a vast amount of attention to
yourselves to go exploring "our mining heritage" :-)
Adits emerge at above the highest tide height... Tide ranges are up to
7m here...
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Multi-section ladder...

I had the perception that in a workshop it is likely to fill with grit - grinding dust, etc.

I have ordered a single section ladder of hopefully just the right
length.
Should arrive today.


That said - I realised that a ladder which would readily fit in a car
and could be carried without drawing a vast amount of attention to
yourselves to go exploring "our mining heritage" :-)
Adits emerge at above the highest tide height... Tide ranges are up to
7m here...

----------------------------
In Germany I carried climbing rope in the car that friends and I could tie
to a cut branch and toss through a window of a castle ruin to climb in. To exit the rope was looped over the branch if nothing else was suitable to rappel down and recover the rope. If anyone questioned the rope it was for towing if I got stuck at a muddy field exercise site.

Rope plus knowledge of knots solves many problems. This knot is particularly valuable since it acts like a ratchet. It turns a hanging rope into a ladder with movable hand and foot loops. https://thebearessentials.com/blogs/knot-tying/the-prusik-knot-how-to-tie-it-and-different-practical-uses?
A one-sided version tightens guy lines etc. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch

I discovered that I could explore anywhere with a bicycle and an inflatable boat since either could carry me plus the other, and they could be hauled
over a fence by the boat's painter rope. I could ride up river, float down
it and bicycle home.

A neighbor had some low cost tree work done by a young handyman friend who brought a long beat-up aluminum ladder with loose and missing rungs and a
kink in the middle, and abandoned it in worse condition when he left. I rescued it, cut out the bent center section and rearranged the rungs to be continuous, in two lengths convenient to reach the eaves of my lower storage and higher drying wood shed roofs, below their overhanging sheet metal roof panels which won't support a ladder and my weight. I found that without the usual plastic end cap the cut ends needed to be filed round to a radius of several mm to protect my hands.

The loosened tubular rungs could be secured by hammer flaring the ends, like sealing boiler tubes. Just in case they are also attached with sheet metal screws diagonally through the end joints.

I was also given a wooden stepladder that had become wobbly. All it needed
was tightening the nuts on the steel rods under the steps.

I seem to have an eye for what's wrong with something and how to fix it.
Niven and Pournelle explored that in "The Mote in God's Eye" with the alien museum of broken equipment, it was a test of mechanical aptitude to realize everything was defective. The alien species was either right or left
brained, never both, and this test determined which and their subsequent careers. I write and post to exercise the right side. https://www.verywellmind.com/left-brain-vs-right-brain-2795005

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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1a51llwhm.fsf@void.com...

That said - I realised that a ladder which would readily fit in a car
and could be carried without drawing a vast amount of attention to
yourselves to go exploring "our mining heritage" :-)
Adits emerge at above the highest tide height... Tide ranges are up to
7m here...

-----------------------------------

Around here a windowless white van with a ladder rack is assumed to be a service vehicle even without any logo. On a beach a surfboard or kayak on
top might do.

https://abc7ny.com/post/louvre-jewel-heist-manhunt-underway-4-suspects-priceless-jewelry-paris-stolen/18043128/
"They were wearing yellow vests, dressed as construction workers might be, police said. They took the time to secure the area near the truck by placing orange construction cones around it, police said."

A key element of spycraft is knowing and imitating what appears normal.
During WW2 refugees were given fresh new clothing and their old ones handed
to agents assigned to the area the refugees came from, so they would blend
in better.

As battalion photographer and a German-speaking GI comfortable with
travelling around I was asked to carry a tiny camera I could discreetly set for distance and exposure, and could take a photo of a suspicious (Arab?) vehicle with it at right angles to the direction I was pointing my touristy SLR, or by pulling my hand and camera slightly out of a pocket. Then I could transfer the film into a developing canister inside a light-tight black bag and develop the negatives in a bathroom, to read license plates. Loading the 8mm film into the spiral reel by feel took some practice, exposure was
simply by the Sunny 16 rule. This was at the troubled time of the Munich Olympics massacre and Baader-Meinhof gang. https://www.ebay.com/itm/127275591219? https://www.slrlounge.com/photography-essentials-the-sunny-16-rule/

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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1a51llwhm.fsf@void.com...

That said - I realised that a ladder which would readily fit in a car
and could be carried without drawing a vast amount of attention to
yourselves to go exploring "our mining heritage" :-)
Adits emerge at above the highest tide height... Tide ranges are up to
7m here...
-------------------------------- https://www.vevor.com/multi-position-ladders-c_13538/multi-purpose-folding-ladder-7-in-1-5-step-19ft-reach-height-for-work-p_010149291751?

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https://www.vevor.com/multi-position-ladders-c_13538/multi-purpose-folding-ladder-7-in-1-5-step-19ft-reach-height-for-work-p_010149291751?

----------------------------

I read in an old book about the work of a steeplejack a clever trick to
climb a tall chimney. The chimney has an old pulley and rope at the top but they can't be trusted to support a person. The trick is to have a 5/8" or thicker steel bar stock hook made that will catch over the chimney top and hold a stronger pulley and hoisting rope. The hook is attached to the top of
a long plank that the existing rope pulls up until the hook passes above the rim and can be lowered onto it, or lifted off for retrieval.

Telescoping pool cleaning poles can be joined to make one that will easily reach over 7 meters, and they are innocuous collapsed and strapped to a vehicle. I use one with a scoop on top to clean my gutters from the ground.
If you can get to the adit once technical rock climbing gear includes
several types of hand-installed rock anchors, some of which simply lodge in
a suitable crack.

This is an example of a collapsible hanging ladder made from nylon webbing: https://www.omniprogear.com/OPG-Etrier-6-Step-Webbing-Ladder-p/OPG_E6S.htm?

Fire escape ladders have standoffs that space the rungs away from the wall
so you aren't hanging by your toes. https://www.webstaurantstore.com/kidde-25-3-story-escape-ladder-468094-1-000-lb-capacity/472468094.html?
They are meant for one use and can be difficult and tedious to repack.

Another telescoping extension pole system I've found useful has push broom threads on the end to screw into a paint roller handle. With the roller removed the steel shaft can be reshaped into tools similar to a
multifunction boathook. The materials aren't strong, mine broke and I turned
a replacement end plug with the male broom thread from solid aluminum rod on my lathe. Broom thread taps and dies are available.

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

A one-sided version tightens guy lines etc. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch

I recognised it correctly. :-)


"... The Tautline Hitch is essentially a Rolling Hitch tied on the
standing part of a tight line after it has been secured around a
object. ..."
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I got a single-section ladder 3.44m length.
It proves to be perfect.
At a lean of about 1:4 it "just right" rests against the horizontal roof beams. I can swing from leaning one way to leaning the other way to do both
ends of the outbuilding, without leaving the outbuilding. The ladder is
long enough for the job, but when upright doesn't reach the roof in all
the midwidth.
Which means the ladder will store flat against the back wall.
Being single-section, it intrudes very little off the wall into the
workspace.
Happy :-)

Did I "over-egg" this? Well I got it spot-on right first time, which as
a probability seems randomly improbable.
It's so nice scooting up to the roof space easily and securely on a wide
robust ladder.
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Thanks for all suggestions.
The ladder with the "locking hinges" caught attention.
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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1y0ovv17v.fsf@void.com...

Thanks for all suggestions.
The ladder with the "locking hinges" caught attention.

--------------------------------

My neighbor has a 16' z-fold ladder he left outdoors to be rained on and the locking mechanism doesn't always automatically catch, as indicated by the
red slide snapping inward. Mine is stored folded double upright inside a
shed between the ceiling joists and operates smoothly.

My feet greatly prefer the square rung version to the round rung one.

I use it to erect a temporary gantry track extension by balancing the heavy channels on boards across the rungs. After the outer track end is supported
I lift the ladder over the track since it has no interfering cross bracing like a stepladder. My 16' ladder isn't high enough to erect horizontal shed beams but would be if I could back my pickup truck into the intended floor space to raise it. I don't need to because I have other heavy lifting gear.

With two such ladders (mine + his) supporting a scaffold plank (his) between them the outside steps significantly extend the working length, to both ends of a section of gutter. Construction skills and equipment are common in this neighborhood.

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1y0ovv17v.fsf@void.com...

Thanks for all suggestions.
The ladder with the "locking hinges" caught attention.

--------------------------------

My neighbor has a 16' z-fold ladder he left outdoors to be rained on
and the locking mechanism doesn't always automatically catch, as
indicated by the red slide snapping inward. Mine is stored folded
double upright inside a shed between the ceiling joists and operates smoothly.

My feet greatly prefer the square rung version to the round rung one.

I use it to erect a temporary gantry track extension by balancing the
heavy channels on boards across the rungs. After the outer track end
is supported I lift the ladder over the track since it has no
interfering cross bracing like a stepladder. My 16' ladder isn't high
enough to erect horizontal shed beams but would be if I could back my
pickup truck into the intended floor space to raise it. I don't need
to because I have other heavy lifting gear.

With two such ladders (mine + his) supporting a scaffold plank (his)
between them the outside steps significantly extend the working
length, to both ends of a section of gutter. Construction skills and equipment are common in this neighborhood.

Thanks for the realism on this.
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On 10/29/2025 12:38 AM, Richard Smith wrote:

"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1y0ovv17v.fsf@void.com...

Thanks for all suggestions.
The ladder with the "locking hinges" caught attention.

--------------------------------

My neighbor has a 16' z-fold ladder he left outdoors to be rained on
and the locking mechanism doesn't always automatically catch, as
indicated by the red slide snapping inward. Mine is stored folded
double upright inside a shed between the ceiling joists and operates
smoothly.

My feet greatly prefer the square rung version to the round rung one.

I use it to erect a temporary gantry track extension by balancing the
heavy channels on boards across the rungs. After the outer track end
is supported I lift the ladder over the track since it has no
interfering cross bracing like a stepladder. My 16' ladder isn't high
enough to erect horizontal shed beams but would be if I could back my
pickup truck into the intended floor space to raise it. I don't need
to because I have other heavy lifting gear.

With two such ladders (mine + his) supporting a scaffold plank (his)
between them the outside steps significantly extend the working
length, to both ends of a section of gutter. Construction skills and
equipment are common in this neighborhood.

Thanks for the realism on this.

Did you wind up with something like this?

https://www.vevor.com/telescoping-ladder-c_12026/vevor-telescoping-ladder-15-ft-aluminum-one-button-retraction-collapsible-extension-ladder-400-lbs-capacity-with-non-slip-feet-portable-multi-purpose-compact-ladder-for-home-rv-loft-ansi-liste-p_010592496506?emailCoupon=idiCbx0RouG3aYHQczfVNQ==&utm_source=email&utm_medium=emailpromo&utm_campaign=VEVOR_us_regular_9950_2025-10-29_23-00-00

The weight rating was surprisingly high, and with hooks it can hang out
of the way or hang onto a rafter when working making it safer.

HOWEVER, because I live in a place with some of if not the worst solar radiation in the world plastics break down. Even fiberglass ladders
break down if left outside. I have fiberglass ladders I hate to use,
because I itch for days afterwards.

I was suggesting an extension ladder or one half of an extension ladder.
A much more solid device.
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Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

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Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:

On 10/29/2025 12:38 AM, Richard Smith wrote:

"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m1y0ovv17v.fsf@void.com...

Thanks for all suggestions.
The ladder with the "locking hinges" caught attention.

--------------------------------

My neighbor has a 16' z-fold ladder he left outdoors to be rained on
and the locking mechanism doesn't always automatically catch, as
indicated by the red slide snapping inward. Mine is stored folded
double upright inside a shed between the ceiling joists and operates
smoothly.

My feet greatly prefer the square rung version to the round rung one.

I use it to erect a temporary gantry track extension by balancing the
heavy channels on boards across the rungs. After the outer track end
is supported I lift the ladder over the track since it has no
interfering cross bracing like a stepladder. My 16' ladder isn't high
enough to erect horizontal shed beams but would be if I could back my
pickup truck into the intended floor space to raise it. I don't need
to because I have other heavy lifting gear.

With two such ladders (mine + his) supporting a scaffold plank (his)
between them the outside steps significantly extend the working
length, to both ends of a section of gutter. Construction skills and
equipment are common in this neighborhood.

Thanks for the realism on this.

Did you wind up with something like this?

https://www.vevor.com/telescoping-ladder-c_12026/vevor-telescoping-ladder-15-ft-aluminum-one-button-retraction-collapsible-extension-ladder-400-lbs-capacity-with-non-slip-feet-portable-multi-purpose-compact-ladder-for-home-rv-loft-ansi-liste-p_010592496506?emailCoupon=idiCbx0RouG3aYHQczfVNQ==&utm_source=email&utm_medium=emailpromo&utm_campaign=VEVOR_us_regular_9950_2025-10-29_23-00-00

The weight rating was surprisingly high, and with hooks it can hang
out of the way or hang onto a rafter when working making it safer.

HOWEVER, because I live in a place with some of if not the worst solar radiation in the world plastics break down. Even fiberglass ladders
break down if left outside. I have fiberglass ladders I hate to use,
because I itch for days afterwards.

I was suggesting an extension ladder or one half of an extension
ladder. A much more solid device.

--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

Apologies didn't see this for a while. Been busy on the fence and
pointing the garden wall, in the remaining time before deep late autumn
and winter weather sets-in.

I got a "simple" single-section ladder of just the right length. Found
one available. Ordered mail-order because that had it delivered to the
door. No need to work out how to transport.

Leans at 1-to-4 angle against horizontal timbers,
yet is short enough to go upright against the end-wall to store.

Happy days :-)

I can spin it around about the vertical axis through 180deg at any gap
between the roof trusses, to face the opposite direction.

I am very pleased with the simplicity and light weight.
I am pleased with myself for seeing this simplicity.

Regards,
Rich Smith
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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m14ir9yh6d.fsf@void.com...
Apologies didn't see this for a while. Been busy on the fence and
pointing the garden wall, in the remaining time before deep late autumn
and winter weather sets-in.

I got a "simple" single-section ladder of just the right length. Found
one available. Ordered mail-order because that had it delivered to the
door. No need to work out how to transport.

Leans at 1-to-4 angle against horizontal timbers,
yet is short enough to go upright against the end-wall to store.

Happy days :-)

I can spin it around about the vertical axis through 180deg at any gap
between the roof trusses, to face the opposite direction.

I am very pleased with the simplicity and light weight.
I am pleased with myself for seeing this simplicity.

Regards,
Rich Smith
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Despite having two extensions, two 8', two 6' and one 5' step ladders plus a 16' and 12' Z-folders the ones I use most are short ones like yours salvaged from the free damaged ladder.

That quantity is from opportunity rather than intent.

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"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:m14ir9yh6d.fsf@void.com...

... Ordered mail-order because that had it delivered to the

door. No need to work out how to transport...
Rich Smith

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My CRV, whose body is a close copy of the Land Rover Freelander 1, has roof rack mounting studs hidden under the roof trim strips above the doors. Other vehicles may also have them in those channels which hide the roof to side
weld seams.

It also has tapped attachment points for rear child seat upper straps hidden under the roof liner ahead of the rear hatch hinge. They aren't marked and have to be found by feel. I added the fittings for general purpose cargo tie-downs to secure weighty machinery I didn't expect to find, such as the
90+ Lb carbide grinder and Champion forge blower.

The only sign these exist is their inclusion in the accessories listing.

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