• Tube Notcher Mods

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 09:52:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    The guys in the NAU Mini Baja SAE team on the local campus bought a
    Harbor Freight tube notcher to make be able to cut and fit the Mini Baja
    SAE race cart they are building for their final engineering project (and
    to race). No, I didnrCOt go back to school. The son is on the team.
    You know how there are some hidden gems in the Harbor Freight tools?
    This isnrCOt one of them.

    I was going to extend the base so they could position to make the longer shallow cuts, but when I checked the tube clamp it not only wasnrCOt at
    the same height as the arbor, but it didnrCOt hold the tube level. The
    arbor actually isnrCOt to terrible. I decided to make them a new clamp
    for the tube first. Its made so a wtap around clamp can be made for it,
    but the strap clamp allows you to turn the clamp/vise in either
    direction. I might not even have to extend the base. The wrap around
    clamp gets int he way and only allows you to turn the vise in one direction.

    The tube notcher still uses hole saws which arenrCOt great, but if I make
    one for myself (I probably will) I think IrCOll set it up to use annular cutters.

    Rughed Stock: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg

    I have to say I miss Iggy. Not sure if he's still with us or not. I
    know I called his salvage business once to check on him a few years ago,
    and he was still around. That piece of 1144 in the previous image came
    from his eBay store. I wish I had bought more stock like that back
    then. Anyway, this is the last of it. I couldn't afford to use a piece
    of stock like this at today's prices.


    Partially Finished Clamp/Vise: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 12:24:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o1qsf$d5k4$1@dont-email.me...

    Rughed Stock: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg Partially Finished Clamp/Vise: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg

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    What is the cutting tool?

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 10:25:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/1/2026 9:52 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    The guys in the NAU Mini Baja SAE team on the local campus bought a
    Harbor Freight tube notcher to make be able to cut and fit the Mini Baja
    SAE race cart they are building for their final engineering project (and
    to race).-a No, I didnrCOt go back to school.-a The son is on the team. You know how there are some hidden gems in the Harbor Freight tools? This isnrCOt one of them.

    I was going to extend the base so they could position to make the longer shallow cuts, but when I checked the tube clamp it not only wasnrCOt at
    the same height as the arbor, but it didnrCOt hold the tube level.-a The arbor actually isnrCOt to terrible.-a I decided to make them a new clamp
    for the tube first.-a Its made so a wtap around clamp can be made for it, but the strap clamp allows you to turn the clamp/vise in either
    direction.-a I might not even have to extend the base.-a The wrap around clamp gets int he way and only allows you to turn the vise in one
    direction.

    The tube notcher still uses hole saws which arenrCOt great, but if I make one for myself (I probably will) I think IrCOll set it up to use annular cutters.

    Rughed Stock: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/ uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg

    I have to say I miss Iggy.-a Not sure if he's still with us or not.-a I
    know I called his salvage business once to check on him a few years ago,
    and he was still around.-a That piece of 1144 in the previous image came from his eBay store.-a I wish I had bought more stock like that back
    then.-a Anyway, this is the last of it.-a I couldn't afford to use a piece of stock like this at today's prices.

    Partially Finished Clamp/Vise:
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Oops. here is the partially finished clamp: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260228_180521.jpg
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 10:31:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/1/2026 10:24 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10o1qsf$d5k4$1@dont-email.me...

    Rughed Stock:
    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/ uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg
    Partially Finished Clamp/Vise:
    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/ uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg

    ----------------------------

    What is the cutting tool?



    That is a 2 flute indexable face mill that uses SEHT1204 insert. Its
    stiffer than a lot of other options, but it still sees some flex under
    heavy cutting loads.

    https://www.shars.com/1-45-degree-end-mill-seht-insert-3-4-shank

    I have it in a 3/4 R8 tool holder. I would like it better if it was
    integral shank R8, but its not bad with a 3/4 shanks set tight against
    the face of the tool holder.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 12:57:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o1sqn$23nnb$1@dont-email.me...

    Oops. here is the partially finished clamp: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260228_180521.jpg
    Bob La Londe

    ----------------------------

    Nice work! I suppose it needs to be clamped in an angled swivel vise so long tubes can clear the table. I used square tubing to build my tractor's bucket loader attachment which made the angle cuts simple on the bandsaw.

    The two compared: https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/square-tube-or-round-tube/101682/page3/

    "tube frame" race cars like Trans Am use both types of tubing. The chassis which is loaded in predictable ways can be made with square tubing because
    the loads the chassis sees can be predicted due to the way the suspension
    and the springs inputs loads into the chassis."

    "The drivers compartment and the requirement to use "round" tubing is
    because the loads that that part of the car may see and the direction they
    may come from can't be predicted since most of those loads will come when "things go bad" such as an "off" or contact with another car or guard rail."

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  • From Leon Fisk@lfiskgr@gmail.invalid to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 13:58:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 09:52:32 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    The guys in the NAU Mini Baja SAE team on the local campus bought a
    Harbor Freight tube notcher to make be able to cut and fit the Mini Baja
    SAE race cart they are building for their final engineering project (and
    to race). No, I didnrCOt go back to school. The son is on the team.
    You know how there are some hidden gems in the Harbor Freight tools?
    This isnrCOt one of them.
    <snip>
    Nice Notchers aren't cheap ($246). And you still need to buy cutters to
    use itEfy4
    https://www.stronghandtools.com/products/notcher
    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 13:21:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o1t55$23oeq$1@dont-email.me...

    On 3/1/2026 10:24 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    What is the cutting tool?

    That is a 2 flute indexable face mill that uses SEHT1204 insert. Its
    stiffer than a lot of other options, but it still sees some flex under
    heavy cutting loads.

    https://www.shars.com/1-45-degree-end-mill-seht-insert-3-4-shank

    Bob La Londe
    ---------------------------------

    I regrind an old end mill that way for roughing unknown scrap or auction steel, which is most of my stock, by tilting the grinder fixture onto the relief grind angle. The bevel is around 0.020" high, and lasts longer than a sharp tip. Also it doesn't create as sharp of a stress concentration on
    milled wrench flats. After several regrinds it needs to be sharpened the
    usual way to widen the central flat. It's one of a batch of dull name brand end mills bought second-hand.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 12:00:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/1/2026 11:21 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10o1t55$23oeq$1@dont-email.me...

    On 3/1/2026 10:24 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    What is the cutting tool?

    That is a 2 flute indexable face mill that uses SEHT1204 insert. Its
    stiffer than a lot of other options, but it still sees some flex under
    heavy cutting loads.

    https://www.shars.com/1-45-degree-end-mill-seht-insert-3-4-shank

    Bob La Londe
    ---------------------------------

    I regrind an old end mill that way for roughing unknown scrap or auction steel, which is most of my stock, by tilting the grinder fixture onto
    the relief grind angle. The bevel is around 0.020" high, and lasts
    longer than a sharp tip. Also it doesn't create as sharp of a stress concentration on milled wrench flats. After several regrinds it needs to
    be sharpened the usual way to widen the central flat. It's one of a
    batch of dull name brand end mills bought second-hand.


    Those are a square insert mounted at 45 degrees with a "flat" contact
    edge. Its insanely good in aluminum with aluminum inserts, but for most steels with steel or alloy inserts its only good for roughing in my
    opinion.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 16:10:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o22bj$241gq$1@dont-email.me...

    Those are a square insert mounted at 45 degrees with a "flat" contact
    edge. Its insanely good in aluminum with aluminum inserts, but for most
    steels with steel or alloy inserts its only good for roughing in my
    opinion.
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
    -------------------------
    A few minutes ago I experimented with turning down more of the reduced size shank of a long PH 1 hex bit. A brazed carbide bit of unknown type, lowered
    to give negative rake, took off a blue-black chip without ruining the
    carbide. I expected turning to fail and to have to grind the hard hex bit.

    That carbide bit had previously chipped and been ground back to a larger radius.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Mar 1 17:54:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/1/2026 9:52 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    The guys in the NAU Mini Baja SAE team on the local campus bought a
    Harbor Freight tube notcher to make be able to cut and fit the Mini Baja
    SAE race cart they are building for their final engineering project (and
    to race).-a No, I didnrCOt go back to school.-a The son is on the team. You know how there are some hidden gems in the Harbor Freight tools? This isnrCOt one of them.

    I was going to extend the base so they could position to make the longer shallow cuts, but when I checked the tube clamp it not only wasnrCOt at
    the same height as the arbor, but it didnrCOt hold the tube level.-a The arbor actually isnrCOt to terrible.-a I decided to make them a new clamp
    for the tube first.-a Its made so a wtap around clamp can be made for it, but the strap clamp allows you to turn the clamp/vise in either
    direction.-a I might not even have to extend the base.-a The wrap around clamp gets int he way and only allows you to turn the vise in one
    direction.

    The tube notcher still uses hole saws which arenrCOt great, but if I make one for myself (I probably will) I think IrCOll set it up to use annular cutters.

    Rughed Stock: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/ uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg

    I have to say I miss Iggy.-a Not sure if he's still with us or not.-a I
    know I called his salvage business once to check on him a few years ago,
    and he was still around.-a That piece of 1144 in the previous image came from his eBay store.-a I wish I had bought more stock like that back
    then.-a Anyway, this is the last of it.-a I couldn't afford to use a piece of stock like this at today's prices.


    Partially Finished Clamp/Vise: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/ uploads/2026/02/20260227_131946-2.jpg








    Its not perfect, but its better.

    Easier Angle Adjust: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260301_172823.jpg Telescoping plate is npotched to clear welds, and indexs against the
    inside of the vertical leg, so it can be slid in and out without losing
    the angle.

    Assembled: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260301_172757.jpg Cutter distance is now adjustable. Original holes for 90s, and mount it
    on the telescoping plate for steep angles. Protractor is no longer
    useful. I would have removed it and engraved my own protractor if it
    was for myself, but I made all the add-ons to improve it so it can be
    taken back to original config if they want to.

    Not perfect, but it looks like it lines up better: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260301_173208.jpg

    The sag part: https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260301_173306.jpg There is a tiny bit of play in the spindle, so this looks better than it
    is, but its a lot better than it was. 1-1/4 tube, and 1-1/4 hole saw.

    The sad part is it will likely only ever get used for one project. The
    next class won't have my personal instruction on how to use it, and they
    will likely throw it away and buy another cheap piece of crap with instructions.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 08:04:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o2n3q$ng46$1@dont-email.me...

    On 3/1/2026 9:52 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    ...
    Assembled: >https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/20260301_172757.jpg

    That's very nice and professional, you are definitely a real machinist. I
    was thinking an in-shop mill fixture but of course yours has to go to the school. What did you paint it with, to stand up to student abuse (like my lathe)?

    I began painting my projects after buying the 2" RA air sander that cleans
    up steel well and quickly. I'm using Rustoleum 2X Paint & Primer which
    stands up to metal banging together reasonably well, after a day in the sun
    to cure hard.

    After being a high school student for the 3D CAD class I think I understand the concepts, choosing the best 2D surface to extrude was easy and I've
    worked as a paper and CAD 2D designer. I'm sort of persuaded to buy a Bambu
    A1 but haven't thought of anything I really need that can't be made as good
    or better from machined metal or Teflon/Delrin. I don't intentionally create monsters.

    The class dwindled until I was the last, so the instructor gave me a fast
    tour of the advanced professional features like creating a magnified detail
    of a small area, the characteristics of various filaments and deflection vs moments of inertia, and I showed him what I've found for small affordable
    load cells and crane scales that could test student bridge models.

    The school welding shop is set up pretty well to practice real-world structures the night instructor has built in his business. Each bench has rotary chucks for welding tubing. I took the class before the upgrades and
    had to jig up the practice tubing cluster on scrap and firebricks after fishmouthing the pieces at home. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/4130bargainbag.php

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 10:06:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/2/2026 6:04 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10o2n3q$ng46$1@dont-email.me...

    On 3/1/2026 9:52 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    ...
    Assembled:
    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/
    uploads/2026/02/20260301_172757.jpg

    That's very nice and professional, you are definitely a real machinist.

    Thank you. It looks decent. Even I think so, but I know its a hodge
    podge of "I hope that's good enough." I was surprised at how close the
    cutter "looks" to the tube when it was done. When I make one for myself
    I'll make it a little differently, and set up a spindle to use annular cutters.

    I was thinking an in-shop mill fixture but of course yours has to go to
    the school. What did you paint it with, to stand up to student abuse
    (like my lathe)?

    One of my thoughts was my son could CNC notch all of their tube. He is
    the lab tech in charge of the NAU Yuma campus machine shop where they
    have, not one, but two HAAS Super Mini Mills and a HAAS TL1 CNC lathe.
    (he's a bit afraid of the lathe) On a manual mill it could be a chore
    to notch anything but 90 degree joints, but on a CNC mill it would be
    just be some grunt work in CAD/CAM. I could do it on a manual mill, but
    just running the solutions in my head makes my neck hurt from staring up
    into space.

    I'm not going to paint it. I thought about degreasing it, blackening
    it, and then soaking it in oil, but paint changes all my simple math.
    The simple answer. If I had some I'd probably just spray it with
    Boshield T-9. I considered spraying it with WD-40 and engraving a note
    on top that says to prevent rust coat with oil. Nah, I probably will
    just spray it with WD40 and let it rust when the WD wears off. Its not
    going to rust fast in this climate. Sure some times of year you can get
    some very minor flash rust, but growth takes years not months.


    I began painting my projects after buying the 2" RA air sander that
    cleans up steel well and quickly. I'm using Rustoleum 2X Paint & Primer which stands up to metal banging together reasonably well, after a day
    in the sun to cure hard.

    I can't get paint to work worth shit. Perfectly clean. Sprayed primer
    and paint per all the instructions. Left to cure in the son for weeks
    (who has time for that) and the first little brush against anything and
    it scratches.


    After being a high school student for the 3D CAD class I think I
    understand the concepts, choosing the best 2D surface to extrude was
    easy and I've worked as a paper and CAD 2D designer.

    Highs school was pretty much hell for me. I learned basic geometry and algebra, but a sister in a Catholic school ruined algebra for me. (my
    second year of algebra) She failed me on a major exam because I answered
    all the equations in more dimensions than she was looking for. My
    answeres were correct, and did provide the basic information she wanted.
    I think she just didn't understand anything that wasn't in her answer
    key. Turned an A into a C for the class. I had a math instructor my
    other three years in public school that was pretty sharp. He was an
    asshole, but he was fair. He kicked me out of his class 13 times in one semester, but still gave me the A I earned. Once he kicked me out of
    class, because I told him, "Call on somebody else for once. I'm not the
    only one here who knows how to do the work." LOL. He always called on
    me when he wanted a student to show the right work. He would call two
    or three people to give them a chance, and then he would call me.

    One year (my year in Catholic school) I took a class called mechanical drawing. I was not the star pupil, but the instructor actually spent
    his time teaching. I got Bs and Cs, but I learned a lot. Mostly I had
    no money and I was often doing things like trying to complete complex
    drawings with one number 2 pencil. A small pad of sand paper was my
    friend. I eventually learned to print clear enough I didn't have to use
    a lettering guide, and I learned to create construction lines with a
    light touch and a hand sanded lead in my one number 2 pencil. LOL.

    Other than those two things the only other thing I learned is you
    generally can't trust people in authority. Actually I learned that in
    grade school, but I learned it was universal in high school.

    I'm sort of
    persuaded to buy a Bambu A1 but haven't thought of anything I really
    need that can't be made as good or better from machined metal or Teflon/ Delrin. I don't intentionally create monsters.

    I'm still struggling to find real world uses for 3D printing other than gadgets. I can machine almost anything faster and better, and I don't
    even have a very good machine shop. Admittedly 3D printing can create
    shapes that are difficult or nearly impossible to machine.

    The class dwindled until I was the last, so the instructor gave me a
    fast tour of the advanced professional features like creating a
    magnified detail of a small area, the characteristics of various
    filaments and deflection vs moments of inertia, and I showed him what
    I've found for small affordable load cells and crane scales that could
    test student bridge models.

    The school welding shop is set up pretty well to practice real-world structures the night instructor has built in his business. Each bench
    has rotary chucks for welding tubing. I took the class before the
    upgrades and had to jig up the practice tubing cluster on scrap and firebricks after fishmouthing the pieces at home. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/4130bargainbag.php

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 14:08:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o4g3f$1auu3$1@dont-email.me...

    Highs school was pretty much hell for me.

    Apparently I was lucky. The two NH towns whose schools I attended had well known prep schools and a fair number of faculty brats in the public system, one is the school John Irving dissed in "Garp", though it was good enough
    for his sister. The result of them plus the children of WW2 vets who became self-made professionals (me) was enough kids who knew the value of education to drown out the losers and maintain a friendly competition to do well. The friend I competed with for top grades in Drafting was the son of an
    architect, in wood shop it was the son of a surgeon who was building a sailboat.

    The towns hired inspiring teachers to match. When my history teacher was promoted to vice principal his replacement was Christa McAuliffe. The introductory English and History classes in college were below the levels
    from high school.

    At the first school I ate lunch at the large central table with the class officers, all supposedly respectable. I made and sold them little folding pocket catapults that could silently launch a pea or bit of Jello half way across the room, limited by ceiling height. We would sit quietly eating with our arms down while provoking food fights among the troublemakers along the back wall. Coming down the stairs I could see the silhouette of a faint ring of dried whipped cream (which flew higher) protruding below the textured ceiling around our table.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@joegwinn@comcast.net to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 14:24:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    Dangerous Nerd at Lunch

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 14:08:38 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o4g3f$1auu3$1@dont-email.me...

    Highs school was pretty much hell for me.

    Apparently I was lucky. The two NH towns whose schools I attended had well >known prep schools and a fair number of faculty brats in the public system, >one is the school John Irving dissed in "Garp", though it was good enough >for his sister. The result of them plus the children of WW2 vets who became >self-made professionals (me) was enough kids who knew the value of education >to drown out the losers and maintain a friendly competition to do well. The >friend I competed with for top grades in Drafting was the son of an >architect, in wood shop it was the son of a surgeon who was building a >sailboat.

    The towns hired inspiring teachers to match. When my history teacher was >promoted to vice principal his replacement was Christa McAuliffe. The >introductory English and History classes in college were below the levels >from high school.

    At the first school I ate lunch at the large central table with the class >officers, all supposedly respectable. I made and sold them little folding >pocket catapults that could silently launch a pea or bit of Jello half way >across the room, limited by ceiling height. We would sit quietly eating with >our arms down while provoking food fights among the troublemakers along the >back wall. Coming down the stairs I could see the silhouette of a faint ring >of dried whipped cream (which flew higher) protruding below the textured >ceiling around our table.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 15:37:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Joe Gwinn" wrote in message news:4lobqkhucua67gu2q89a0659r2askvmg2o@4ax.com...

    Dangerous Nerd at Lunch
    At the first school I ate lunch at the large central table with the class >officers, all supposedly respectable. I made and sold them little folding >pocket catapults that could silently launch a pea or bit of Jello half way >across the room, limited by ceiling height. We would sit quietly eating
    with
    our arms down while provoking food fights among the troublemakers along the >back wall. Coming down the stairs I could see the silhouette of a faint
    ring
    of dried whipped cream (which flew higher) protruding below the textured >ceiling around our table.

    That wasn't all, I also flew model flying saucers over Exeter NH. They were parachutes made from dry cleaner bag film with the bare minimum weight to
    keep them open, a bit of twig. The film was pinched together at the edges to tie the shrouds, which created a mushroom cap shape. In the right weather
    our grassy field generated thermals that carried them up and away. They were clear and nearly invisible from below but reflective like a windshield at
    some low angles. "Silver" color is just a distorted reflection of the surroundings

    https://www.nhmagazine.com/extraterrestrials-in-exeter/

    Eventually Betty Hill confessed she hadn't seen flying saucers but her
    sister had. The sister lived downwind from me.

    I had nothing to do with the famous incident but I made similar hot air balloons which were like Japanese paper lanterns light enough to float.
    "Boy's Life" magazine had printed a scalable pattern for the panels.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter_incident

    The Physics professor at Phillips Exeter Academy, whose daughter I dated, lived nearby and made flying gadgets of his own and I suspect his students were trying to impress him. The description is very similar to my tissue
    paper balloons which moved randomly in ground turbulence until they burned enough fuel weight to rise, they start with excess for inflation. Road flare powder in the alcohol fuel would color the otherwise nearly clear flame
    bright red. Bulbs from failed and discarded series-connected Christmas
    lights powered by the lightweight internal cells of 9V batteries could be
    the flashers.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 13:41:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    On 3/2/2026 12:08 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10o4g3f$1auu3$1@dont-email.me...

    Highs school was pretty much hell for me.

    Apparently I was lucky. The two NH towns whose schools I attended had
    well known prep schools and a fair number of faculty brats in the public system, one is the school John Irving dissed in "Garp", though it was
    good enough for his sister. The result of them plus the children of WW2
    vets who became self-made professionals (me) was enough kids who knew
    the value of education to drown out the losers and maintain a friendly competition to do well. The friend I competed with for top grades in Drafting was the son of an architect, in wood shop it was the son of a surgeon who was building a sailboat.

    The towns hired inspiring teachers to match. When my history teacher was promoted to vice principal his replacement was Christa McAuliffe. The introductory English and History classes in college were below the
    levels from high school.

    At the first school I ate lunch at the large central table with the
    class officers, all supposedly respectable. I made and sold them little folding pocket catapults that could silently launch a pea or bit of
    Jello half way across the room, limited by ceiling height. We would sit quietly eating with our arms down while provoking food fights among the troublemakers along the back wall.

    Your definition of who the trouble makers were may be faulty.

    Coming down the stairs I could see
    the silhouette of a faint ring of dried whipped cream (which flew
    higher) protruding below the textured ceiling around our table.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Mar 2 17:21:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.metalworking

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10o4sll$29b6t$1@dont-email.me...

    Your definition of who the trouble makers were may be faulty.

    Not me, Born to be Mild.

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