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Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/
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Am Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:58:08 -0600 schrieb AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org>:

Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/

Interesting. I read the review of the new Garmin Rally pedals and
like that they now have rechargeable batteries. On the other
hand, I'm quite happy with my pair of Rally XC 200 that I bought
years ago. These are more than adequate for my limited use.

I definitively don't like that "absolutely brilliant screen",
which now trickles down from the 1050 to the smaller models,
about halving the battery life.
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Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:58:08 -0600 schrieb AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org>:

Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/

Interesting. I read the review of the new Garmin Rally pedals and
like that they now have rechargeable batteries. On the other
hand, I'm quite happy with my pair of Rally XC 200 that I bought
years ago. These are more than adequate for my limited use.

I definitively don't like that "absolutely brilliant screen",
which now trickles down from the 1050 to the smaller models,
about halving the battery life.

Yup, I had being thinking of replacing the Garmin Edge 830 as while it
works okay itrCOs a bit sluggish at times, and generally is a bit legacy technology now.

But even now, IrCOve had mine for many years and use it multiple times a
week, the battery is fine has plenty left on long summer days, I almost
always have navigation on.

The 850 the battery life means on such rides could be a bit close, though
last year longest was only 6hrs but thatrCOs relatively low for me.

Hence IrCOve stuck with the 830 plus the value IrCOd get from an upgrade vs the cost!

Roger Merriman


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On 2/10/2026 5:30 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:58:08 -0600 schrieb AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org>:

Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/

Interesting. I read the review of the new Garmin Rally pedals and
like that they now have rechargeable batteries. On the other
hand, I'm quite happy with my pair of Rally XC 200 that I bought
years ago. These are more than adequate for my limited use.

I definitively don't like that "absolutely brilliant screen",
which now trickles down from the 1050 to the smaller models,
about halving the battery life.

Yup, I had being thinking of replacing the Garmin Edge 830 as while it
works okay itrCOs a bit sluggish at times, and generally is a bit legacy technology now.

But even now, IrCOve had mine for many years and use it multiple times a week, the battery is fine has plenty left on long summer days, I almost always have navigation on.

The 850 the battery life means on such rides could be a bit close, though last year longest was only 6hrs but thatrCOs relatively low for me.

Hence IrCOve stuck with the 830 plus the value IrCOd get from an upgrade vs the
cost!

Right - what would a new computer get you that your old one doesn't provide?

My company's installed product base for it's gantry-installed
electronics is past 50 years for some models. We get an occasional
customer return still of a product that failed after being installed in
the 1980's. In many cases the customer requests a replacement of the electronic module inside the explosion-proof enclosure. We can do this, because the basic design of the electronics has changed only slightly
since they were designed in the late 70s. Our best selling product was
in fact designed and initially released in 1980, with only minor changes
to keep up with Hazardous Location design requirements.

The interesting thing here is that our customers don't want something
new and flashy. The product they had before it finally crapped out after
30+ years does exactly the job they want.

Part of the issue is the user base. These things are used daily by the
tanker truck drivers - not exactly a demographic known for advanced
analytical skills. If the terminal owner/operators have new equipment installed that requires a different operation process, they have to
station someone at the ready the train the drivers and certify that each individual has been trained on the new product. This could take several months, and as you can imagine places a personnel requirement on a
facility that already runs the bare minimum of staff.

Roger Merriman

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zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/10/2026 5:30 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:

Am Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:58:08 -0600 schrieb AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org>:

Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/

Interesting. I read the review of the new Garmin Rally pedals and
like that they now have rechargeable batteries. On the other
hand, I'm quite happy with my pair of Rally XC 200 that I bought
years ago. These are more than adequate for my limited use.

I definitively don't like that "absolutely brilliant screen",
which now trickles down from the 1050 to the smaller models,
about halving the battery life.

Yup, I had being thinking of replacing the Garmin Edge 830 as while it
works okay itrCOs a bit sluggish at times, and generally is a bit legacy
technology now.

But even now, IrCOve had mine for many years and use it multiple times a
week, the battery is fine has plenty left on long summer days, I almost
always have navigation on.

The 850 the battery life means on such rides could be a bit close, though
last year longest was only 6hrs but thatrCOs relatively low for me.

Hence IrCOve stuck with the 830 plus the value IrCOd get from an upgrade vs the
cost!

Right - what would a new computer get you that your old one doesn't provide?

Indeed as long as it can be updated (Maps) as I do use it for navigation
and stuff does change at least off road. It doesnrCOt use UCB C so as my
other tech evolves it potentially gets out of support and all of that jazz.

My company's installed product base for it's gantry-installed
electronics is past 50 years for some models. We get an occasional
customer return still of a product that failed after being installed in
the 1980's. In many cases the customer requests a replacement of the electronic module inside the explosion-proof enclosure. We can do this, because the basic design of the electronics has changed only slightly
since they were designed in the late 70s. Our best selling product was
in fact designed and initially released in 1980, with only minor changes
to keep up with Hazardous Location design requirements.

The interesting thing here is that our customers don't want something
new and flashy. The product they had before it finally crapped out after
30+ years does exactly the job they want.

Part of the issue is the user base. These things are used daily by the tanker truck drivers - not exactly a demographic known for advanced analytical skills. If the terminal owner/operators have new equipment installed that requires a different operation process, they have to
station someone at the ready the train the drivers and certify that each individual has been trained on the new product. This could take several months, and as you can imagine places a personnel requirement on a
facility that already runs the bare minimum of staff.

Even being fairly techie itrCOs a small screen and IrCOm focused on not hitting that tree, so want a fairly clear interface I even take off all of the
beeps to limit the clutter I do same with the car sat nav app.

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman


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On Tue Feb 10 17:32:25 2026 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

Am Mon, 9 Feb 2026 14:58:08 -0600 schrieb AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org>:

Nicely done IMHO:

https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/road-groupset-comparison-sram-shimano-campagnolo-trp-vistar/

Interesting. I read the review of the new Garmin Rally pedals and
like that they now have rechargeable batteries. On the other
hand, I'm quite happy with my pair of Rally XC 200 that I bought
years ago. These are more than adequate for my limited use.

I definitively don't like that "absolutely brilliant screen",
which now trickles down from the 1050 to the smaller models,
about halving the battery life.

There is a setting for brightness and also it can be shut off since you can see the display in sunlight.
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