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So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple will help that as well.
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

Roger Merriman
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On 2/2/2026 5:09 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

Roger Merriman

It might help if he was monitoring his HR correctly.
If his hr of 112 was 62% of his max, that would make his max 180.....not likely for an 80something year old.

Sure, he could have an abnormally natural hr (like I do), but I'm sure
we would have heard about that by now.

And, fwiw, 50% isn't really a usable training target. Most people will
hit that by simply swing their leg over the saddle. A recovery ride is generally considered to be in the 50-60% range, the point of which is to
not push any performance gains other than rest and recovery. Above a
recovery zone starts working aerobic metabolic pathways which are counterproductive if the point is rest and recovery. I think you'd be
hard pressed to find anyone other than an elite athlete who can keep
their HR below %50 unless their on a bike path with their kids.
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On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop. So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.
I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding mos of the work is done by my right eye.
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion >>> because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is >> your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age >> even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories intake. Ie even if someone is overweight itrCOs doesnrCOt change that should be refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and onerCOs rCLfitnessrCY can be massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of prompting!

If itrCOs a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I donrCOt slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad
when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually
nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my
right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Roger Merriman

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On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max >>>> heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion >>>> because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until >>>> after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having >>>> trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple >>>> will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is >>> your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than >>> you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age >>> even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have
breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories >intake. Ie even if someone is overweight itAs doesnAt change that should be >refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as >poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and oneAs ofitnesso can be >massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of >prompting!

If itAs a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I >donAt slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad
when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually
nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my
right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks. I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for
carbs.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max >>>>> heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion >>>>> because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until >>>>> after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having >>>>> trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple >>>>> will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than >>>> you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have
breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop. >>> So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories >> intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it-As doesn-At change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as >> poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one-As -ofitness-o can be
massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of >> prompting!

If it-As a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I >> don-At slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad
when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out >>> of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually
nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my
right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding >>> mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks. I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for
carbs.

Presumably yourCOre not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after
rides, if yourCOre not fuelling then thatrCOs rather a self fulfilling prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the
time IrCOll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too long IrCOll take a bar to bridge the gap.

itrCOs only big intense stuff IrCOll take a load of bars and keep at it.

But if folks arenrCOt fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a mature age that is where IrCOd look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 4 Feb 2026 15:21:35 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max >>>>>> heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until >>>>>> after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having >>>>>> trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple >>>>>> will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than >>>>> you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop. >>>> So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories >>> intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it?s doesn?t change that should be >>> refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as >>> poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one?s ?fitness? can be
massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of >>> prompting!

If it?s a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I >>> don?t slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out >>>> of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually
nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my
right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding >>>> mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks. I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for
carbs.

Presumably youAre not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after
rides, if youAre not fuelling then thatAs rather a self fulfilling
prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the >time IAll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too >long IAll take a bar to bridge the gap.

itAs only big intense stuff IAll take a load of bars and keep at it.

But if folks arenAt fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >mature age that is where IAd look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I only did 25 miles today because I I'm suffering from lower gut
problems from what must be side effects of the blood pressure
medication. If it persists, I'm going to complain to the cardiac
doctor. I stopped at 17 miles to unwrap a protein/carb bar and ate it
as I rode.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max >>>>>> heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until >>>>>> after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having >>>>>> trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple >>>>>> will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than >>>>> you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop. >>>> So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories >>> intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it-As doesn-At change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as >>> poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one-As -ofitness-o can be >>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of >>> prompting!

If it-As a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don-At slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out >>>> of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually
nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my
right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding >>>> mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye
and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for
carbs.

Presumably yourCOre not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after rides, if yourCOre not fuelling then thatrCOs rather a self fulfilling prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the time IrCOll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too long IrCOll take a bar to bridge the gap.

itrCOs only big intense stuff IrCOll take a load of bars and keep at it.

But if folks arenrCOt fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a mature age that is where IrCOd look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max >>>>>>> heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>>>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until >>>>>>> after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having >>>>>>> trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple >>>>>>> will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is
immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than >>>>>> you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk.

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop. >>>>> So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories >>>> intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it-As doesn-At change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as
poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one-As -ofitness-o can be >>>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of
prompting!

If it-As a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don-At slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out >>>>> of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually >>>>> nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same
direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my >>>>> right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding >>>>> mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye
and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I didnrCOt just that one needs to have carbs, which could be in a drink or in
a bar or in cafe stop. Off road tend to have places you donrCOt stop but your just rolling along, so on the MTB a fire road is the perfect time to grab a bar, rooty wet slippery trail less so!

On the road itrCOs rather easier to fuel on the move on the bigger climbs IrCOve done load of bars in pockets as the climb is many hours there is time
to have bars, and extremely good idea to do so!

UK climbs tend to be shorter steeper stuff at most 30mins so not the ideal place to eat a bar but even so much easier to have a bar/gel on road than
off road.

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for
carbs.

Presumably yourCOre not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after
rides, if yourCOre not fuelling then thatrCOs rather a self fulfilling
prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the >> time IrCOll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too >> long IrCOll take a bar to bridge the gap.

itrCOs only big intense stuff IrCOll take a load of bars and keep at it.

But if folks arenrCOt fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >> mature age that is where IrCOd look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman


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On Mon Feb 2 21:46:59 2026 cyclintom wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple will help that as well.

I did a reset on the Garmin 1030 ans I got a totally different dispay. It showed a heart rate graph among other things. Below 80% max heart rate it shows green. below 70% it shows blue (zone 2 which I cannot ride in and above 80% it gives me a red graph. Above max HR I assume that the color on the graph changes again but today I tried to stay in the green. I did not set autopause so the average speed was all screwed up from stopping a half hour for coffee but I will get things set up correctly s I discover problems.
But it is a hell of a lot easier to ride when you have a colored graph to follow. The first half of the ride showed me averaging 10 mph while mostly in the green. The second half was largely into the wind so it was harder to stay out of the red.
But I suppose that Garmin answered my complaint but I didn't know it becsuse I didn't reset the computer. Training to ride in the green (under 80% max heart rate) will no doubt get easier as I get deeper into spring and summer.
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On 5 Feb 2026 20:02:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French >>>>>>>> Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is >>>>>>> immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk. >>>>>>

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your
breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories
intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it?s doesn?t change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as
poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one?s ?fitness? can be >>>>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of
prompting!

If it?s a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don?t slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually >>>>>> nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same >>>>>> direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my >>>>>> right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye
and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I didnAt just that one needs to have carbs, which could be in a drink or in
a bar or in cafe stop. Off road tend to have places you donAt stop but your >just rolling along, so on the MTB a fire road is the perfect time to grab a >bar, rooty wet slippery trail less so!

On the road itAs rather easier to fuel on the move on the bigger climbs
IAve done load of bars in pockets as the climb is many hours there is time
to have bars, and extremely good idea to do so!

UK climbs tend to be shorter steeper stuff at most 30mins so not the ideal >place to eat a bar but even so much easier to have a bar/gel on road than
off road.

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get
fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I
wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back
then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for >>>> carbs.

Presumably youAre not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after
rides, if youAre not fuelling then thatAs rather a self fulfilling
prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the >>> time IAll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too >>> long IAll take a bar to bridge the gap.

itAs only big intense stuff IAll take a load of bars and keep at it.

But if folks arenAt fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >>> mature age that is where IAd look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman

IMO, Electrolytes are more important than carbs

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 21:46:59 2026 cyclintom wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my
digestion because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in
energy until after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home.
I am having trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe
the triple will help that as well.

I did a reset on the Garmin 1030 ans I got a totally different dispay. It showed a heart rate graph among other things. Below 80% max heart rate it shows green. below 70% it shows blue (zone 2 which I cannot ride in and
above 80% it gives me a red graph. Above max HR I assume that the color
on the graph changes again but today I tried to stay in the green. I did
not set autopause so the average speed was all screwed up from stopping a half hour for coffee but I will get things set up correctly s I discover problems.

But it is a hell of a lot easier to ride when you have a colored graph to follow. The first half of the ride showed me averaging 10 mph while
mostly in the green. The second half was largely into the wind so it was harder to stay out of the red.

But I suppose that Garmin answered my complaint but I didn't know it
becsuse I didn't reset the computer. Training to ride in the green (under
80% max heart rate) will no doubt get easier as I get deeper into spring and summer.

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get confused by the units.

Roger Merriman
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2026 20:02:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is >>>>>>>> immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk. >>>>>>>

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>>>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your >>>>>> breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories
intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it?s doesn?t change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as
poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one?s ?fitness? can be >>>>>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of
prompting!

If it?s a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don?t slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>>>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually >>>>>>> nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same >>>>>>> direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my >>>>>>> right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye >>> and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I didn-At just that one needs to have carbs, which could be in a drink or in >> a bar or in cafe stop. Off road tend to have places you don-At stop but your >> just rolling along, so on the MTB a fire road is the perfect time to grab a >> bar, rooty wet slippery trail less so!

On the road it-As rather easier to fuel on the move on the bigger climbs
I-Ave done load of bars in pockets as the climb is many hours there is time >> to have bars, and extremely good idea to do so!

UK climbs tend to be shorter steeper stuff at most 30mins so not the ideal >> place to eat a bar but even so much easier to have a bar/gel on road than
off road.

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that
seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get >>>>> fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I >>>>> wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't
stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back >>>>> then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for >>>>> carbs.

Presumably you-Are not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after >>>> rides, if you-Are not fuelling then that-As rather a self fulfilling
prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the >>>> time I-All just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too
long I-All take a bar to bridge the gap.

it-As only big intense stuff I-All take a load of bars and keep at it. >>>>
But if folks aren-At fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >>>> mature age that is where I-Ad look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman

IMO, Electrolytes are more important than carbs

In your particular case it probably has a higher importance relative to
others as your in a hotter climate and sweat a lot.

A hard ride in colder climates, yourCOll still need fuel ie Carbs as you will in a hot climate, but hydration and electrolytes loss are something IrCOll
only notice/need to actively do something about in the summer aka 4 weeks
in June and even then only on a big 5/6 hr ride.

Unlike carbs as even on relatively moderate distances and pace yourCOll burn through your supplies relatively quickly.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman


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On 2/6/2026 4:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2026 20:02:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is >>>>>>>>> immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk. >>>>>>>>

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>>>>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your >>>>>>> breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories
intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it?s doesn?t change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as
poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one?s ?fitness? can be >>>>>>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of
prompting!

If it?s a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don?t slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>>>>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually >>>>>>>> nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same >>>>>>>> direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my >>>>>>>> right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye >>>> and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I didn-At just that one needs to have carbs, which could be in a drink or in
a bar or in cafe stop. Off road tend to have places you don-At stop but your
just rolling along, so on the MTB a fire road is the perfect time to grab a >>> bar, rooty wet slippery trail less so!

On the road it-As rather easier to fuel on the move on the bigger climbs >>> I-Ave done load of bars in pockets as the climb is many hours there is time >>> to have bars, and extremely good idea to do so!

UK climbs tend to be shorter steeper stuff at most 30mins so not the ideal >>> place to eat a bar but even so much easier to have a bar/gel on road than >>> off road.

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that >>>>>> seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get >>>>>> fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I >>>>>> wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't >>>>>> stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back >>>>>> then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for >>>>>> carbs.

Presumably you-Are not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after >>>>> rides, if you-Are not fuelling then that-As rather a self fulfilling >>>>> prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the
time I-All just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too
long I-All take a bar to bridge the gap.

it-As only big intense stuff I-All take a load of bars and keep at it. >>>>>
But if folks aren-At fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >>>>> mature age that is where I-Ad look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman

IMO, Electrolytes are more important than carbs

In your particular case it probably has a higher importance relative to others as your in a hotter climate and sweat a lot.

A hard ride in colder climates, yourCOll still need fuel ie Carbs as

you will

in a hot climate, but hydration and electrolytes loss are something IrCOll only notice/need to actively do something about in the summer aka 4 weeks
in June and even then only on a big 5/6 hr ride.

Unlike carbs as even on relatively moderate distances and pace yourCOll burn through your supplies relatively quickly.

Sweating a lot at lower intensities affects homeostasis in general and electrolyte balance is of course affected by hydration level. That said
most literature on the subject (heavily supported by research) shows
that, except for extremely long endurance events, a normally healthy fit individual should concentrate on hydration and fuel, the latter of which really only applies to efforts long than 60 minutes (most people have
enough glycogen stores to support an unfueled moderate-to-intense effort
for an hour or so). Electrolytes are sometimes considered as part of
'fuel', but again that's generally associated with long endurance events
2 or more hours). For a casual rider there are generally enough
nutrition stores (which include electrolytes to maintain homeostasis)
during a low-intensity exercise where hydration usually suffices.
Carbohydrate replenishment isn't nearly as important if the effort stays
well within the aerobic zone as it is for higher intensity efforts.

All the current research shows there is no silver bullet. Refueling
during exercise is dependent on individual needs, meaning the the answer
is based on what works for you - you need to experiment to figure out
what works best. I have to believe that kitty has been doing this long
enough to know what makes him feel better during and post exercise as I
can claim for me. I do best with plain water. For longer efforts
depending on the intensity I'll bring solid food (Bananas work best for
me - good potassium source as well). It's rare that I'll drink anything
but plain water, but for a while I was mixing gatorade 50/50 with water.
I found that solid food - even gels - work better for me and sports
drinks with electrolytes work best for me post exercise.

I remembered a while ago how the old-school Gatorade worked well for me.
Since they've changed their formulation (as nearly all commercial sports drinks are the same now) I really don't like the super sugary taste,
even diluted. I knew there wasn't much to the old school gatorade, so I
dug around for some DIY solutions and through experimentation found a
formula that works for me:

1/4 cup lemon juice concentrate (like ReaLemon-<)
1/4 cup honey
1/2 teaspoon FastFuel-< electrolyte powder*

Mix honey and electrolyte powder in 2 cups warm/hot water (annoyingly difficult and time consuming to mix honey with cold water)
Add honeywater and lemon juice concentrate in a 2 quart container, fill container with water.

But this is what works for me, may or may not work for others. YM _W_ V.

Further info on the subject:

https://www.fasttalklabs.com/ - My favorite podcast, dozens of episodes
on sports nutrition that go deep into biochemistry (you could make a
drinking game of the number of times they mention PGC-1+#)

From my library:
Fast After 50 - Joe Friel
Complete Medical Guide for Cyclists - Dr. Andy Pruitt
The Paleo Diet for Athletes - Loren Cordain and Joe Friel
Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook - Nancy Clark

Interesting web resource on this specific subject:
"Rehydration during Endurance Exercise: Challenges, Research, Options, Methods" - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8001428/


*https://drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix?
I use the unflavored, it's a 4:1:1 mix of Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride,
and Magnesium Malate. It's actually not formulated for sports nutrition,
but dietary fasting (hence the name _fast_ fuel), but it works best for
me. I also like how it adds that lightly salted taste the old-school
gatorade had.

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On 6 Feb 2026 21:39:25 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 5 Feb 2026 20:02:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2/4/2026 10:21 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 4 Feb 2026 09:39:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Feb 2 22:09:11 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

So far I've covered 445 miles. The last 5 rides have been at 62% of max
heart rate or 112 bpm. I did a ride up to Niles and stopped for French
Toast before riding back I guess 62% orf max interfered with my digestion
because I could tell that I wasn't getting any increase in energy until
after I got home and I was really dragging when I got home. I am having
trouble trying to keep my heart rate below 50% or max. Maybe the triple
will help that as well.

Was that the only form of calories that you had at the cafe? If so there is
your answer.

if your riding at more than a very gentle intensity, the pace is >>>>>>>>> immaterial, you should be having carbohydrates every hour, and more than
you think the evidence seems to be, ie over 100 grams, considering your age
even more reason to keep the carbs going and not essentially bonk. >>>>>>>>

These rides are actually about 3 or 3 1/2 hours of moving time. I have >>>>>>>> breakfast in the morning and about 200 grams of carbs at the coffee shop.
So, if anything I am burning less than I take in.

You only have about a hr ish of sugars irrespective of how big your >>>>>>> breakfast was, not bonking on a ride should be separated from any calories
intake. Ie even if someone is overweight it?s doesn?t change that should be
refuelling the carbs every hr.

Do I do this? For shorter less intense rides no but for longer ones yes, as
poor fuelling makes a big ride rather grim and one?s ?fitness? can be >>>>>>> massively improved by just having a bar every hr, your Garmin is capable of
prompting!

If it?s a bigger or longer ride, I use waymarkers on the route planned so I
don?t slip in to bad habits and have that bar or coffee stop.

I see that I wrote 62% rather than 82% of max heart rate. I'll be glad >>>>>>>> when UC Berkeley makes my binocular vision appointment and I can see out
of both eyes rather than "sort of" out of my right eye and virtually >>>>>>>> nothing out of my left eye. My eyes don't actually look in the same >>>>>>>> direction and the left eye vision is a little larger than that of my >>>>>>>> right. Apparently it takes special equipment to make a proper
prescription. I had this problem since my initial concussion, When riding
mos of the work is done by my right eye.

Riding a bike on the road in traffic with only partial vision in one eye >>>> and even less in the other seems safe.....

Roger Merriman

Stop to eat a 100 gram carb bar every hour? No thanks.

Roger, I must have missed the part where you suggested one should
_stop_ and eat every hour. Could you point that out?

I didn?t just that one needs to have carbs, which could be in a drink or in >>> a bar or in cafe stop. Off road tend to have places you don?t stop but your >>> just rolling along, so on the MTB a fire road is the perfect time to grab a >>> bar, rooty wet slippery trail less so!

On the road it?s rather easier to fuel on the move on the bigger climbs
I?ve done load of bars in pockets as the climb is many hours there is time >>> to have bars, and extremely good idea to do so!

UK climbs tend to be shorter steeper stuff at most 30mins so not the ideal >>> place to eat a bar but even so much easier to have a bar/gel on road than >>> off road.

I've been
stopping about half way of my 4 hour rides for a cliff bar and that >>>>>> seems to suit me fine. If I had 100 grams of carbs every hour I'd get >>>>>> fat. When I finish the ride I have a Yuenglin and an orange while I >>>>>> wait for my heart rate to go down

Years ago when I rode further, faster, and longer I often wouldn't >>>>>> stop at all, but I was drinking high sugar gatorade laced water back >>>>>> then. Nowdays, I put nuun tablets in my water so I do need to stop for >>>>>> carbs.

Presumably you?re not suffering from fatigue though? Or recovery after >>>>> rides, if you?re not fuelling then that?s rather a self fulfilling
prophecy! Most of my bars are at most around half of that, and most of the
time I?ll just plan a cafe stop, other times if the gap to the cafe is too
long I?ll take a bar to bridge the gap.

it?s only big intense stuff I?ll take a load of bars and keep at it. >>>>>
But if folks aren?t fuelling and getting fatigue/slow recovery even at a >>>>> mature age that is where I?d look first.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman

IMO, Electrolytes are more important than carbs

In your particular case it probably has a higher importance relative to >others as your in a hotter climate and sweat a lot.

A hard ride in colder climates, youAll still need fuel ie Carbs as you will >in a hot climate, but hydration and electrolytes loss are something IAll
only notice/need to actively do something about in the summer aka 4 weeks
in June and even then only on a big 5/6 hr ride.

Unlike carbs as even on relatively moderate distances and pace youAll burn >through your supplies relatively quickly.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Back when I was riding 5/6/7 hours, the big doses of sugar in Gatorade
were supplying the carbs I needed. I mixed Gatorade powder into my 24
oz bottles, using the amount intended for 16 oz because it was too strong/sugary otherwise. On an 70/80 mile ride, I would drink all six
of them, parsing them out with several fresh water refills I could get
along the way back then. Last Wed I only rode 25 miles because I was
not feeling good. I stopped at about 17 miles to have a bar with some
protein and carbs and felt better after the ride than before. Unless
things change, I'll be limiting my rides to 25/35 miles. I hope to get
out tomorrow.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which took several minutes to install.
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get >> confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IrCOm glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

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On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get >>> confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IrCOm glad you managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html
--
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am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 11:15:13 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IAm glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

It works for some. I've lost a lot in the last several years.
Strangely, my peak performance stats on the Catrike occurred around
2014, the year I turned 70 years old. In 2014 I did 40 miles (on the
flat trail) averaging 18 MPH. In 2016, I registered a 20 mile ride
averaging 19.8 MPH (on the same flat trail). After that, it's been all downhill. These days, I'm delighted when I average 12 MPH.

FWIW, on the mostly flat bike trail, I believe the weight of the
Catrike (40+ lbs) is insignificant.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IrCOm glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when itrCOs a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 11:15:13 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >>> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I-Am glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

It works for some. I've lost a lot in the last several years.
Strangely, my peak performance stats on the Catrike occurred around
2014, the year I turned 70 years old. In 2014 I did 40 miles (on the
flat trail) averaging 18 MPH. In 2016, I registered a 20 mile ride
averaging 19.8 MPH (on the same flat trail). After that, it's been all downhill. These days, I'm delighted when I average 12 MPH.

FWIW, on the mostly flat bike trail, I believe the weight of the
Catrike (40+ lbs) is insignificant.

The two commute bikes I own are quite close in weight as a lot is the D
lock and the kit bag with computer and so on, that the old MTB has a very upright position you can feel the drag into the wind, the old school roadie will roll along at higher speeds at similar efforts and is much less of
grind on windy days.

Hence the roadie for the same distance if different route is quicker, in
both time and average speed, even more so into central london which the distance and big roads favours bikes that can hold 15/25mph the embankment being a prime example itrCOs a bit of drag on the MTB or similar more upright bike, but flatters onerCOs ego on the roadie.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 8 Feb 2026 00:34:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 11:15:13 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>>>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >>>> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

It works for some. I've lost a lot in the last several years.
Strangely, my peak performance stats on the Catrike occurred around
2014, the year I turned 70 years old. In 2014 I did 40 miles (on the
flat trail) averaging 18 MPH. In 2016, I registered a 20 mile ride
averaging 19.8 MPH (on the same flat trail). After that, it's been all
downhill. These days, I'm delighted when I average 12 MPH.

FWIW, on the mostly flat bike trail, I believe the weight of the
Catrike (40+ lbs) is insignificant.

The two commute bikes I own are quite close in weight as a lot is the D
lock and the kit bag with computer and so on, that the old MTB has a very >upright position you can feel the drag into the wind, the old school roadie >will roll along at higher speeds at similar efforts and is much less of
grind on windy days.

Hence the roadie for the same distance if different route is quicker, in
both time and average speed, even more so into central london which the >distance and big roads favours bikes that can hold 15/25mph the embankment >being a prime example itAs a bit of drag on the MTB or similar more upright >bike, but flatters oneAs ego on the roadie.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Two wheel recumbents have an aerodynamic advantage. Three wheelers,
with their outrigger crossarms, headsets, wheels and a riding position
that doesn't allow "arms in" not so much.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 8 Feb 2026 00:34:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 11:15:13 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you >>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

It works for some. I've lost a lot in the last several years.
Strangely, my peak performance stats on the Catrike occurred around
2014, the year I turned 70 years old. In 2014 I did 40 miles (on the
flat trail) averaging 18 MPH. In 2016, I registered a 20 mile ride
averaging 19.8 MPH (on the same flat trail). After that, it's been all
downhill. These days, I'm delighted when I average 12 MPH.

FWIW, on the mostly flat bike trail, I believe the weight of the
Catrike (40+ lbs) is insignificant.

The two commute bikes I own are quite close in weight as a lot is the D
lock and the kit bag with computer and so on, that the old MTB has a very
upright position you can feel the drag into the wind, the old school roadie >> will roll along at higher speeds at similar efforts and is much less of
grind on windy days.

Hence the roadie for the same distance if different route is quicker, in
both time and average speed, even more so into central london which the
distance and big roads favours bikes that can hold 15/25mph the embankment >> being a prime example it-As a bit of drag on the MTB or similar more upright >> bike, but flatters one-As ego on the roadie.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

Two wheel recumbents have an aerodynamic advantage. Three wheelers,
with their outrigger crossarms, headsets, wheels and a riding position
that doesn't allow "arms in" not so much.

Indeed the fast ones are the two wheelers be they have faring or not, they
race them on a circuit near my work.

The three wheelers are often on the slow side, even compared to uprights
though clearly not always as is the way of things, probably due to what
they are being used for, someone I know from another group has a trike for riding with his kids and so on.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >>> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IrCOm glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when itrCOs a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Sat Feb 7 11:15:13 2026 AMuzi wrote:

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

I wonder why people would purposely cheat? Or perhaps they just never paid attention to Strava? I did not pay anything into Strava and now they say you have to be a member. I wish them well but I don't want anythinh to do with them.
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>>>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >>>> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IAm glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog >> rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when
itAs a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though >> seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not
someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running >> on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing
with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you
compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I-Am glad you >>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog >>> rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when >>> it-As a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not >>> someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running >>> on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing
with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you
compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of
it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster
bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post
cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 8 Feb 2026 23:16:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you >>>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog
rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when >>>> it?s a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not >>>> someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing
with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you
compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of >it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster >bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow >Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post >cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I use Garmin Connect. I do have a free account on Strava, but I don't
use it even though Garmin sends all my data to it. My ride data is
kept private in both accounts. I keep my own ride records in excel and
I have no use for any of the social aspects of either program.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 8 Feb 2026 23:16:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you >>>>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog
rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when >>>>> it?s a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not >>>>> someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing
with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you
compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of >> it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster
bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow >> Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post >> cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I use Garmin Connect. I do have a free account on Strava, but I don't
use it even though Garmin sends all my data to it. My ride data is
kept private in both accounts. I keep my own ride records in excel and
I have no use for any of the social aspects of either program.

Why do you have the Strava account? Its main purpose really is the social aspect, it does segments and so on arguably better, or at least easier to
use and so on.

I find it useful for all sorts of reasons but the competitive aspect be
that against my myself or others is such a minor aspect.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 9 Feb 2026 11:32:49 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 8 Feb 2026 23:16:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335> >>>>>>>>
If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you >>>>>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog
rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when
it?s a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not
someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing
with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you
compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of >>> it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster >>> bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow >>> Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post >>> cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I use Garmin Connect. I do have a free account on Strava, but I don't
use it even though Garmin sends all my data to it. My ride data is
kept private in both accounts. I keep my own ride records in excel and
I have no use for any of the social aspects of either program.

Why do you have the Strava account? Its main purpose really is the social >aspect, it does segments and so on arguably better, or at least easier to
use and so on.

I find it useful for all sorts of reasons but the competitive aspect be
that against my myself or others is such a minor aspect.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

<Shrug> I have the Strava account because a while back I thought it
might be useful and I never got rid of it when I realized it wasn't
useful to me. It isn't a bother to have it, so......

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map >>>>>> updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer >>>>> and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And >>>>> this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which >>>>> took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work >>>> fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335>

If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will >>>> yes then re download updates even if they are years old, IrCOm glad you >>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog >> rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when
itrCOs a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not
someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running >> on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

It doesnrCOt seem particularly common, aka itrCOs man bites dog sort of thing! Hence it makes news, Strava hasnrCOt until recently done much with keeping
its data clean be that the type of data, most of which is stuff that is mislabelled or GPS units have been left on, the car/train home etc!

And multiple duplicate segments and making any new ones a minimum length, particularly as older devices could spit out improbable speeds,
particularly combined with out line of sight, some of the london Embankment underpasses have some old segments with times around the speed of sound!

They have to late being more proactive in cleaning up the data, be that algorithms to detect the type of activity, be that auto flag if itrCOs a
being driven or if itrCOs a commute, Strava sells that data to cities as they can show where cyclists ride, so itrCOs in their interest to make sure that data is correct.

Roger Merriman

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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 9 Feb 2026 11:32:49 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 8 Feb 2026 23:16:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my >>>>>>>>>> proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=12335> >>>>>>>>>
If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you >>>>>>>>> managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog
rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when
it?s a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not
someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing >>>>> with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If
you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you >>>>> compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of >>>> it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster >>>> bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow
Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post >>>> cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I use Garmin Connect. I do have a free account on Strava, but I don't
use it even though Garmin sends all my data to it. My ride data is
kept private in both accounts. I keep my own ride records in excel and
I have no use for any of the social aspects of either program.

Why do you have the Strava account? Its main purpose really is the social
aspect, it does segments and so on arguably better, or at least easier to
use and so on.

I find it useful for all sorts of reasons but the competitive aspect be
that against my myself or others is such a minor aspect.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

<Shrug> I have the Strava account because a while back I thought it
might be useful and I never got rid of it when I realized it wasn't
useful to me. It isn't a bother to have it, so......

IrCOm bit more concerned about personal data so tend to remove accounts that
I donrCOt use etc. particularly stuff that handles data.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On Mon Feb 9 23:16:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 9 Feb 2026 11:32:49 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On 8 Feb 2026 23:16:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 11:49:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>

On 2/7/2026 6:18 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 2/7/2026 10:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Feb 6 07:29:30 2026 Roger Merriman wrote:

None of the XX30 have had any updates in years, bar time zone and map
updates, not sure why you keep persisting in this idea, bar you clearly get
confused by the units.

You may believe what you wish, but my 1030 now properly reacts to my
proper age which it did not do before, All I did was reset the computer
and reload my personal details that had been entered properly before. And
this occured right fter it said that there was an update available which
took several minutes to install.

Last update was late 2019 these are old devices, which to be honest work
fine.

<https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3d12335> >>>>>>>>>
If you reset the device it will be back to its original os update and will
yes then re download updates even if they are years old, I?m glad you
managed to set it up better this time around.

Roger Merriman

Athletic monitor news:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15537743/Strava-deletes-cheating-race-records.html

Strava have been improving there software in terms of being able to catalog
rides, be that is it a commute or wrongly labelled activity ie a run when
it?s a bike ride and so on, plus the folks who actually try to cheat though
seems a fairly self defeating thing.

Unless they never rider with others who would be aware of how fast or not
someone really is, which is different to folks who leave their unit running
on the car/train home!

Roger Merriman

As has been said of academia, "Competition is so vicious
because the stakes are so low."

The problem with athletic competition is that unless you're competing >>>>> with the very best in the world, there's always somebody better. If >>>>> you are the best among the people you compete with, it's because you >>>>> compete with bunch of competitors you can beat.

I don't compete with anyone but myself.

Which largely is what Strava is for, plus the mapping and social aspect of
it, comparing with others is rather a fools game, they maybe on a faster >>>> bike, they maybe fitter faster folks, or like we did at the end of Heathrow
Gravel had group riding at speed and thus my times along that stretch post
cafe are probably unreachable on my own!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

I use Garmin Connect. I do have a free account on Strava, but I don't
use it even though Garmin sends all my data to it. My ride data is
kept private in both accounts. I keep my own ride records in excel and >>> I have no use for any of the social aspects of either program.

Why do you have the Strava account? Its main purpose really is the social >> aspect, it does segments and so on arguably better, or at least easier to >> use and so on.

I find it useful for all sorts of reasons but the competitive aspect be
that against my myself or others is such a minor aspect.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

<Shrug> I have the Strava account because a while back I thought it
might be useful and I never got rid of it when I realized it wasn't
useful to me. It isn't a bother to have it, so......

I?m bit more concerned about personal data so tend to remove accounts that
I don?t use etc. particularly stuff that handles data.

I've been watching the updating, particularly the long winded ones and it appears that they are all map updating so I appologize for making snotty comments about the software not being updsated.
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