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Here is the problem with getting old:
Every year your recommended maximum heart rate gors down. Presently at 81, Zone 2 is around 55 bpm. I did that last Saturday because the people I was with had one very slow 85 year old. On Sunday I went out alone and was completely recovered from the Saturday ride which I normally am not because my normal ride is about 112 to 120 bpm or the middle of zone 4. Then on the small climbs on the return trip, I god between 132 and 144 which is at or above zone 5.
On Tuesday I was not fully recovered from my Sunday Ride because I keep pushing the boundaries.
I have decided to set the Moser up as a Triple sop that I can go back up into the hills for real long term climbing. This DOES require being carful not to stop because the cranks turn over too fast from a stop to have time to clip in. So you have to find the 80 or 90 bpm heart rate and stick to that and be careful not to pedal so fast that you lose your climb and run your heart rate through the cealing. I did that a couple of years ago when I was using the 11-36 and had to walk up several hills because I couldn't get my foot back in the clip. For someone used to pushing off and clipping end thats difficulyt change.
Also, triples are clumbsy shifting down into the granny and you have to plan ahead not to throw a chain.
But I have ridden so long that I don't expect any real problems and I could always change to flat pedals if necessary.
I have too much weight on and I have to ride some long rides to get it off. That does not mean centuries since that simply wears you out and you eat more than you burn. 35 mile climbing rides often enough work very well and I have to get back to that. If I can knock off 15 lbs, I'll be bacl to being able to climb at 90 to 110 bpm. That way I stay completely out of the stroke range. My stroke occurred from several 155 bpm rides because I was completely out of shape.
Getting old means that you have to plan to maintain your fitness instead of oscillating from in shape to out of shape. I should have been doing that but the concussion greatly screwed that up. And I would rather not drop dead from bending over to tie my shoe laces and having an infarctionfrom being overweight.
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 23:39:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Here is the problem with getting old:

Every year your recommended maximum heart rate gors down. Presently at 81, Zone 2 is around 55 bpm. I did that last Saturday because the people I was with had one very slow 85 year old. On Sunday I went out alone and was completely recovered from the Saturday ride which I normally am not because my normal ride is about 112 to 120 bpm or the middle of zone 4. Then on the small climbs on the return trip, I god between 132 and 144 which is at or above zone 5.

On Tuesday I was not fully recovered from my Sunday Ride because I keep pushing the boundaries.

I have decided to set the Moser up as a Triple sop that I can go back up into the hills for real long term climbing. This DOES require being carful not to stop because the cranks turn over too fast from a stop to have time to clip in. So you have to find the 80 or 90 bpm heart rate and stick to that and be careful not to pedal so fast that you lose your climb and run your heart rate through the cealing. I did that a couple of years ago when I was using the 11-36 and had to walk up several hills because I couldn't get my foot back in the clip. For someone used to pushing off and clipping end thats difficulyt change.

Also, triples are clumbsy shifting down into the granny and you have to plan ahead not to throw a chain.

But I have ridden so long that I don't expect any real problems and I could always change to flat pedals if necessary.

I have too much weight on and I have to ride some long rides to get it off. That does not mean centuries since that simply wears you out and you eat more than you burn. 35 mile climbing rides often enough work very well and I have to get back to that. If I can knock off 15 lbs, I'll be bacl to being able to climb at 90 to 110 bpm. That way I stay completely out of the stroke range. My stroke occurred from several 155 bpm rides because I was completely out of shape.

Getting old means that you have to plan to maintain your fitness instead of oscillating from in shape to out of shape. I should have been doing that but the concussion greatly screwed that up. And I would rather not drop dead from bending over to tie my shoe laces and having an infarctionfrom being overweight.

You seem to be doing better than me, also at 81 years old. My riding
is exclusively on flat ground and I am only averaging 11.5 MPH on my
rides and my heart rate stays below 130. I've cut my distances back
from 40 miles to 35 miles after my recent 1 month lapse in riding. I'm
hoping I can get back to 40/50 miles rides as I ride more often now.
I'm having no problems keeping my weight at 210 lbs, which is less
than I weighed playing college football.

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C'est bon
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 23:39:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Here is the problem with getting old:

Every year your recommended maximum heart rate gors down. Presently at
81, Zone 2 is around 55 bpm. I did that last Saturday because the people
I was with had one very slow 85 year old. On Sunday I went out alone and
was completely recovered from the Saturday ride which I normally am not
because my normal ride is about 112 to 120 bpm or the middle of zone 4.
Then on the small climbs on the return trip, I god between 132 and 144
which is at or above zone 5.

On Tuesday I was not fully recovered from my Sunday Ride because I keep
pushing the boundaries.

I have decided to set the Moser up as a Triple sop that I can go back up
into the hills for real long term climbing. This DOES require being
carful not to stop because the cranks turn over too fast from a stop to
have time to clip in. So you have to find the 80 or 90 bpm heart rate
and stick to that and be careful not to pedal so fast that you lose your
climb and run your heart rate through the cealing. I did that a couple
of years ago when I was using the 11-36 and had to walk up several hills
because I couldn't get my foot back in the clip. For someone used to
pushing off and clipping end thats difficulyt change.

Also, triples are clumbsy shifting down into the granny and you have to
plan ahead not to throw a chain.

Front mechrCOs are less slick than rear but I donrCOt remember them being noticeable worse, they can rub a bit more and on rolling ground can end up shifting back and forth more than a compact.

No front mech should be throwing a chain, thatrCOs a setup problem.

But I have ridden so long that I don't expect any real problems and I
could always change to flat pedals if necessary.

If you do though IrCOd suggest SPD etc before that, MTB flats have much
better grip if being bigger so pedal strike is more likely.

For that IrCOd suggest one of the SPD caged pedals ie pedals that have a passable flat pedal with a SPD within the centre.

I have too much weight on and I have to ride some long rides to get it
off. That does not mean centuries since that simply wears you out and
you eat more than you burn. 35 mile climbing rides often enough work
very well and I have to get back to that. If I can knock off 15 lbs,
I'll be bacl to being able to climb at 90 to 110 bpm. That way I stay
completely out of the stroke range. My stroke occurred from several 155
bpm rides because I was completely out of shape.

Getting old means that you have to plan to maintain your fitness instead
of oscillating from in shape to out of shape. I should have been doing
that but the concussion greatly screwed that up. And I would rather not
drop dead from bending over to tie my shoe laces and having an
infarctionfrom being overweight.

You seem to be doing better than me, also at 81 years old. My riding
is exclusively on flat ground and I am only averaging 11.5 MPH on my
rides and my heart rate stays below 130. I've cut my distances back
from 40 miles to 35 miles after my recent 1 month lapse in riding. I'm
hoping I can get back to 40/50 miles rides as I ride more often now.
I'm having no problems keeping my weight at 210 lbs, which is less
than I weighed playing college football.

Your riding exactly the same speeds than him, nor are his rides around
Oakland Airport likely to be significantly hiller than yours, itrCOs broadly the same as my commute across Heathrow aka flatter than a witches tit as
they say!

IrCOd argue that movement and so on is more important that rCLfitnessrCY in terms
of use it or loose it, ie more frequently moving than one big ride and all
of that.

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C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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On 29 Jan 2026 13:39:15 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 23:39:52 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Here is the problem with getting old:

Every year your recommended maximum heart rate gors down. Presently at
81, Zone 2 is around 55 bpm. I did that last Saturday because the people >>> I was with had one very slow 85 year old. On Sunday I went out alone and >>> was completely recovered from the Saturday ride which I normally am not
because my normal ride is about 112 to 120 bpm or the middle of zone 4.
Then on the small climbs on the return trip, I god between 132 and 144
which is at or above zone 5.

On Tuesday I was not fully recovered from my Sunday Ride because I keep
pushing the boundaries.

I have decided to set the Moser up as a Triple sop that I can go back up >>> into the hills for real long term climbing. This DOES require being
carful not to stop because the cranks turn over too fast from a stop to
have time to clip in. So you have to find the 80 or 90 bpm heart rate
and stick to that and be careful not to pedal so fast that you lose your >>> climb and run your heart rate through the cealing. I did that a couple
of years ago when I was using the 11-36 and had to walk up several hills >>> because I couldn't get my foot back in the clip. For someone used to
pushing off and clipping end thats difficulyt change.

Also, triples are clumbsy shifting down into the granny and you have to
plan ahead not to throw a chain.

Front mechAs are less slick than rear but I donAt remember them being >noticeable worse, they can rub a bit more and on rolling ground can end up >shifting back and forth more than a compact.

No front mech should be throwing a chain, thatAs a setup problem.

But I have ridden so long that I don't expect any real problems and I
could always change to flat pedals if necessary.

If you do though IAd suggest SPD etc before that, MTB flats have much
better grip if being bigger so pedal strike is more likely.

For that IAd suggest one of the SPD caged pedals ie pedals that have a >passable flat pedal with a SPD within the centre.

I have too much weight on and I have to ride some long rides to get it
off. That does not mean centuries since that simply wears you out and
you eat more than you burn. 35 mile climbing rides often enough work
very well and I have to get back to that. If I can knock off 15 lbs,
I'll be bacl to being able to climb at 90 to 110 bpm. That way I stay
completely out of the stroke range. My stroke occurred from several 155
bpm rides because I was completely out of shape.

Getting old means that you have to plan to maintain your fitness instead >>> of oscillating from in shape to out of shape. I should have been doing
that but the concussion greatly screwed that up. And I would rather not
drop dead from bending over to tie my shoe laces and having an
infarctionfrom being overweight.

You seem to be doing better than me, also at 81 years old. My riding
is exclusively on flat ground and I am only averaging 11.5 MPH on my
rides and my heart rate stays below 130. I've cut my distances back
from 40 miles to 35 miles after my recent 1 month lapse in riding. I'm
hoping I can get back to 40/50 miles rides as I ride more often now.
I'm having no problems keeping my weight at 210 lbs, which is less
than I weighed playing college football.

Your riding exactly the same speeds than him, nor are his rides around >Oakland Airport likely to be significantly hiller than yours, itAs broadly >the same as my commute across Heathrow aka flatter than a witches tit as
they say!

He's riding more often and thus, getting more miles than me. My excuse
for that is that I have lots of other things going on these last few
weeks involving my wife's and my health issues. I have a CT scan
tomorrow, a cardio-echo scan soon, and an appt with my eye doctor
soon. My wife saw her cardiologist yesterday and will have laser
surgery on one eye next week with a follow-up and second eye surgery
coming up. There's also weather issues and visits from northern
relatives in winter.

IAd argue that movement and so on is more important that ofitnesso in terms >of use it or loose it, ie more frequently moving than one big ride and all
of that.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

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C'est bon
Soloman
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