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On Mon, 26 Jan 2026 07:26:29 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://momentummag.com/what-the-world-can-learn-from-pariss-cycling-revolution/

"a growing network of protected bike lanes"

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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://momentummag.com/what-the-world-can-learn-from-pariss-cycling-revolution/

Political will is the big one, in both making sure that things like
segregated bike lanes doesnrCOt have car parking/turning aka compromise it so itrCOs all too easy to say well it doesnrCOt work!

And to hold onerCOs nerve as projects have a predictable responses aka change always causes push back, but assuming itrCOs not a dogs breakfast once people get over that, and use it tends to be positive feedback.

Likewise other things to encourage less car more other forms of travel, be
that congestion zones such as New York has just done and London did some 20 years ago.

I think for the US it would need to push back number of the zoning laws and encourage walking infrastructure, ItrCOs so car centric and dependent that tacking on a bike lane here and there isnrCOt unsurprisingly change much.
Even way out in the suburbs I can walk to multiple shops for groceries, as
I just have, plus there are number of small independent shops such as dry-cleaners/clothes repair or bakers, and pharmacies bike shop etc.

Hence I like most Londoners walk a lot as itrCOs just easier than the car
which is a hassle.

Roger Merriman

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On Mon Jan 26 07:26:29 2026 AMuzi wrote:

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Paris is not San Francisco. Paris is a city composed of neighborhood in which apartments and jobs are pretty close together. San Francisco is a city that is constructed largely of a business center and 25th rate housing where anybody who is anyone lives 25 miles from their jobs in the suburbs. Even the Tesla plant had workers who mostly lived at least 15 miles away and was a little difficult to get to.
I think that if California didn't have so F'ing many rules and regulations that landlords would be able to update the housing and allow far more comfortable housing and more local commutes. Some of the hills are really bad but there are ways to bypass climbs.
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cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Jan 26 07:26:29 2026 AMuzi wrote:

https://momentummag.com/what-the-world-can-learn-from-pariss-cycling-revolution/

Paris is not San Francisco. Paris is a city composed of neighborhood in
which apartments and jobs are pretty close together. San Francisco is a
city that is constructed largely of a business center and 25th rate
housing where anybody who is anyone lives 25 miles from their jobs in the suburbs. Even the Tesla plant had workers who mostly lived at least 15
miles away and was a little difficult to get to.

That was a deliberate decision due to lobbying ie making cities car centric with suburbs, note by way that Paris has a significantly larger population, only London is larger in Europe.

People absolutely do commute 20 something miles, thatrCOs one of the boons of city like london with a good public transport system.

Due to where I live was and still is folks who work in the docklands which
is LondonrCOs 2nd banking district, and cycle down hence the Embankment Cycleway though was a significant number who did before it was a cycleway.

I think that if California didn't have so F'ing many rules and
regulations that landlords would be able to update the housing and allow
far more comfortable housing and more local commutes. Some of the hills
are really bad but there are ways to bypass climbs.

Hills really donrCOt stop cycling, Bristol/Bath are in quite steep valleys
but are Cycling cities. London rather overtook both more down to allowing
the London Mayor to have real powers, and generally not interfering.

Roger Merriman


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On 2/2/2026 5:46 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon Jan 26 07:26:29 2026 AMuzi wrote:

https://momentummag.com/what-the-world-can-learn-from-pariss-cycling-revolution/

Paris is not San Francisco. Paris is a city composed of neighborhood in
which apartments and jobs are pretty close together. San Francisco is a
city that is constructed largely of a business center and 25th rate
housing where anybody who is anyone lives 25 miles from their jobs in the
suburbs. Even the Tesla plant had workers who mostly lived at least 15
miles away and was a little difficult to get to.

That was a deliberate decision due to lobbying ie making cities car centric with suburbs, note by way that Paris has a significantly larger population, only London is larger in Europe.

People absolutely do commute 20 something miles, thatrCOs one of the boons of city like london with a good public transport system.

"how big is the Paris France/San Francisco greater metropolitian area?"

https://www.parisdigest.com/information/grand_paris_facts.htm
The Greater Paris metropolitan region includes Paris and 130 cities
around her. Its population is 7,15 million inhabitants with a total area
of 814 km2 (342 square miles).

https://www.mctavish.com/location/san-francisco
the San Francisco Bay Area, a region of 7.5 million people which
includes San Jose and Oakland.....it encompasses a land area of about
46.9 square miles

I think what tommy is telling us is that he can't learn anything from
anyone.

Tom is wrong, of course: https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/How-the-French-are-fixing-a-housing-crisis-14931728.php

Due to where I live was and still is folks who work in the docklands which
is LondonrCOs 2nd banking district, and cycle down hence the Embankment Cycleway though was a significant number who did before it was a cycleway.

I think that if California didn't have so F'ing many rules and
regulations that landlords would be able to update the housing and allow
far more comfortable housing and more local commutes. Some of the hills
are really bad but there are ways to bypass climbs.

Hills really donrCOt stop cycling, Bristol/Bath are in quite steep valleys but are Cycling cities. London rather overtook both more down to allowing
the London Mayor to have real powers, and generally not interfering.

Of course Paris and london don't generally have to worry about
earthquake - proofing their buildings either. But that doesn't really
matter to the anti regulation types. Their philosophy is 'sure, the roof
may cave in and collapse an entire 500 unit apartment building killing
3000 people due to lax building codes, but the resnt cheap. If you don't
want to risk it, live somewhere else'.

In otherwords, as they said in Paris, "qu'ils mangent de la brioche". Or
in the US, "fuck the poor".


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