• AI cattle in Cull Canyon

    From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026
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    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the
    shadows are all wrong. Oh well. <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 22 21:20:39 2026
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    On Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the shadows are all wrong. Oh well. <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>
    Why are you publishing a photo not on Cull Canyon and undated of a couple of cattle grazing what looks like near Palomares Canyon or Norris Canyon? There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it. And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?
    You cannot even understand that the shadows are correct.
    What exactly is wrong with you?
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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 22 15:36:19 2026
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    On 1/22/2026 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the
    shadows are all wrong. Oh well.
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural
    landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos:
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>




    Why are you publishing a photo not on Cull Canyon and undated of a couple of cattle grazing what looks like near Palomares Canyon or Norris Canyon? There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it. And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?

    You cannot even understand that the shadows are correct.

    What exactly is wrong with you?

    I get a similar response occasionally when I forward items
    from Babylon Bee.

    Perhaps you missed Mr Liebermann's explicit line:

    " Generated using ChatGPT 5.2 "

    followed by his actual prompts.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 22 21:57:50 2026
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    On Thu Jan 22 15:36:19 2026 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/22/2026 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the
    shadows are all wrong. Oh well.
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural
    landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos:
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>




    Why are you publishing a photo not on Cull Canyon and undated of a couple of cattle grazing what looks like near Palomares Canyon or Norris Canyon? There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it. And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?

    You cannot even understand that the shadows are correct.

    What exactly is wrong with you?

    I get a similar response occasionally when I forward items
    from Babylon Bee.

    Perhaps you missed Mr Liebermann's explicit line:

    " Generated using ChatGPT 5.2 "

    followed by his actual prompts.
    I am assuming that you are implying that the entire scene is completely invented. If Chat GPT can do that and Liebermann is willing to use AI to generate njtireloy false pictures why would you believe anything that Liebermann would claim? He just said that he could show that he worked as an EE and could show business cards demonstrating that. In fact he worked as a QC engineer which is nothing at all like an EE designer. And after that he never got another job. I do feel sorry for him but there is a reason that his life has tottered on the edge of homelessness and everyone here has pretty clearly seen it.
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 22 15:43:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 21:20:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the
    shadows are all wrong. Oh well.
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural
    landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos:
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>




    Why are you publishing a photo not on Cull Canyon and undated of a couple of cattle grazing what looks like near Palomares Canyon or Norris Canyon?

    You cannot even understand that the shadows are correct.

    What exactly is wrong with you?

    Tom, I "published" ChatGPT image for various reasons including, but
    not limited to:
    1. Because I was learning what could be done with AI photo image
    manipulation. What you didn't see are the strange images ChatGPT
    provided when I tried to modify the image.
    2. Because I wanted to provide you with "evidence" that you were
    right in claiming that there are cattle grazing in Cull Canyon. I was
    also interested in seeing how you would react to me defending your
    point of view. You didn't disappoint me.
    3. Because I wanted to see how far you would go to intentionally
    misinterpret, distort and confuse what I provided. Again, I was not disappointed.
    4. I wanted to see if you could recognize various problems with the
    photo. Did you notice that the trees on the left side of the canyon
    are growing straight up while the trees on the right side a growing to
    the left and the trees in the center background are growing to the
    right? I correctly expected you claim the exact opposite of anything
    I demonstrated. True to form, you proclaimed that the shadows were
    correct. Again, I was not disappointed.

    There's more, but I think that's sufficient (for now).

    There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it.

    I found plenty of houses for sale on Cull Canyon, some with acreage.
    However, I found nothing the resembles anyone selling property in a
    group of county parks. The properties used for grazing were leased
    for the express purpose of grazing to various cattle owners. The
    property was not offered for sale. I would probably check the land
    use records for the area, but that's too much work. Prove your own
    point by identifying the "one or two properties" along Cull Canyon
    that match your claim.

    And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?

    How is it that you don't understand that there is no cattle grazing in
    Cull Canyon. From the East Bay Regional Park District page:
    "Parks with Grazing" <https://www.ebparks.org/natural-resources/grazing/parks#year>
    Notice that Cull Canyon is NOT listed as having either seasonal nor
    year round grazing. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cull_Canyon_Regional_Recreation_Area>

    However, I did find something about pigs grazing on Cull Canyon: <https://www.facebook.com/jim.phillips.568/photos/these-pesky-pigs-grazing-yesterday-late-afternoon-along-east-side-of-cull-canyon/5360877644000337/>
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 23 00:19:05 2026
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    On Thu Jan 22 15:43:09 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    Tom, I "published" ChatGPT image for various reasons including, but
    not limited to:
    1. Because I was learning what could be done with AI photo image manipulation. What you didn't see are the strange images ChatGPT
    provided when I tried to modify the image.
    2. Because I wanted to provide you with "evidence" that you were
    right in claiming that there are cattle grazing in Cull Canyon. I was
    also interested in seeing how you would react to me defending your
    point of view. You didn't disappoint me.
    3. Because I wanted to see how far you would go to intentionally misinterpret, distort and confuse what I provided. Again, I was not disappointed.
    4. I wanted to see if you could recognize various problems with the
    photo. Did you notice that the trees on the left side of the canyon
    are growing straight up while the trees on the right side a growing to
    the left and the trees in the center background are growing to the
    right? I correctly expected you claim the exact opposite of anything
    I demonstrated. True to form, you proclaimed that the shadows were
    correct. Again, I was not disappointed.

    There's more, but I think that's sufficient (for now).

    There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it.

    I found plenty of houses for sale on Cull Canyon, some with acreage.
    However, I found nothing the resembles anyone selling property in a
    group of county parks. The properties used for grazing were leased
    for the express purpose of grazing to various cattle owners. The
    property was not offered for sale. I would probably check the land
    use records for the area, but that's too much work. Prove your own
    point by identifying the "one or two properties" along Cull Canyon
    that match your claim.

    And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?

    How is it that you don't understand that there is no cattle grazing in
    Cull Canyon. From the East Bay Regional Park District page:
    "Parks with Grazing" <https://www.ebparks.org/natural-resources/grazing/parks#year>
    Notice that Cull Canyon is NOT listed as having either seasonal nor
    year round grazing. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cull_Canyon_Regional_Recreation_Area>

    However, I did find something about pigs grazing on Cull Canyon: <https://www.facebook.com/jim.phillips.568/photos/these-pesky-pigs-grazing-yesterday-late-afternoon-along-east-side-of-cull-canyon/5360877644000337/>
    At what point did I EVER claim that cattle were grazing in public parks? Over amd over I cannot even think of where your posts are coming from. You don't even know what wild boar are! With every posting I have to wonder what is going on inside of your head? You leave me no choice but to give you up for an insane person! Let Flunky kiss your ass and tell you how wonderful you are. That ought to feed your ego.
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 22 18:03:49 2026
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    On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 00:19:05 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    At what point did I EVER claim that cattle were grazing in public parks?

    Why is it that you consider it acceptable to repeatedly ignore my
    questions but expect me to respond instantly to your questions?

    I spent about 90 minutes writing my previous reply. You spent about
    10 msec crafting a useless reply. It will probably take me about 20
    minutes to find YOUR article referencing cattle in Cull Canyon and
    another 20 minutes crafting a reply with links, references and
    citations. I don't think it's worth my time and effort finding YOUR
    postings.
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 23 05:12:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 21:20:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jan 21 19:52:26 2026 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    A present for Tom. A ChatGPT image of cattle grazing in Cull Canyon.
    It would probably suffice for evidence of cattle grazing in Cull
    Canyon. It looks like Cull Canyon, the cattle look realistic, but the
    shadows are all wrong. Oh well.
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Cattle%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.jpg>
    Generated using ChatGPT 5.2
    <https://chatgpt.com/images/>
    using the following instructions:

    {"prompt":"Scenic hillside scene in Cull Canyon, Castro Valley,
    California with grazing cattle on open grassland under a blue sky, oak
    trees and rolling hills in the East Bay Hills, detailed and natural
    landscape","quality":"high","style":"realistic"}

    The cattle are nice, but I prefer kangaroos:
    <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Tom/Kanagaroos%20in%20Cull%20Canyon%20-%20ChatGPT.png>




    Why are you publishing a photo not on Cull Canyon and undated of a couple of cattle grazing what looks like near Palomares Canyon or Norris Canyon?

    You cannot even understand that the shadows are correct.

    What exactly is wrong with you?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99269901@N00/5906514313

    There are only one or two farmers that own property on Cull Canyon and they are trying to sell the properties and are not working it.

    And how is it that you don't understand that it had large herds of cattle on Cull Canyon for decades to generate that degraded brown feces that washed off of the hillsides in the very heavy rain that you then told us wasn't really there?

    No, tom, there were never large herds of cattle grazing in cull canyon, Certainly not enough to contribute to erosion or sediment buildup in the reservoir. If that were the case it would have been included in the contributing causes in the environmental reports. None of the reports
    mention anything about cattle grazing contributing to erosion .
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 23 20:37:49 2026
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    On Fri Jan 23 05:12:29 2026 zen cycle wrote:

    No, tom, there were never large herds of cattle grazing in cull canyon, Certainly not enough to contribute to erosion or sediment buildup in the reservoir. If that were the case it would have been included in the contributing causes in the environmental reports. None of the reports
    mention anything about cattle grazing contributing to erosion .
    Tell us everything you know about Cull Canyon. The only thing that you have any interest in is that there is a Nudiswt/Queer Colony at the far end of it. But you can tell us different.
    Only a moron speaks of something 3,000 miles from where he lives as if it was someplace he spent a great deal of time.
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 23 13:40:00 2026
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    On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 20:37:49 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri Jan 23 05:12:29 2026 zen cycle wrote:

    No, tom, there were never large herds of cattle grazing in cull canyon,
    Certainly not enough to contribute to erosion or sediment buildup in the
    reservoir. If that were the case it would have been included in the
    contributing causes in the environmental reports. None of the reports
    mention anything about cattle grazing contributing to erosion .


    Tell us everything you know about Cull Canyon. The only thing that you have any interest in is that there is a Nudiswt/Queer Colony at the far end of it. But you can tell us different.

    Only a moron speaks of something 3,000 miles from where he lives as if it was someplace he spent a great deal of time.

    I live about 63 miles from Cull Canyon: <https://maps.app.goo.gl/8qC71GDGZJiFBMPa8>
    Is that close enough to not be mislabeled a moron?

    Tom, tell us why you consider only first hand experience is
    acceptable. Certainly, first hand experience is useful, but it very
    limiting and generally is not the way it's done these days. For
    example, how many legislators write laws based on their first hand
    experience with their constituency? That might be possible in a small
    town, where everyone knows everyone else. However, once the affected constituency because large, it's impossible for a legislator to be
    personally aquatinted with every person, with every issue, and all the stakeholders affected by the legislation. That's why we have a
    representative government instead of a direct democracy.

    First hand experience is certainly useful, but not really necessary.
    It's possible to research how the East Bay Parks and East Bay
    Municipal District functions. They both have web sites which I
    suspect you haven't bothered to read:
    <https://www.ebparks.org>
    <https://www.ebmud.com>
    A little searching will tell you something about Cull Creek facilities
    and planned improvements. For example: <https://www.ebmud.com/about-us/construction-and-maintenance>
    Reading web sites won't make you an instant expert, but it's far
    better than your current low level of expertise.

    "Conservation Grazing"
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_grazing>
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Jan 24 07:38:02 2026
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    On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 20:37:49 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri Jan 23 05:12:29 2026 zen cycle wrote:

    No, tom, there were never large herds of cattle grazing in cull canyon,
    Certainly not enough to contribute to erosion or sediment buildup in the >>> reservoir. If that were the case it would have been included in the
    contributing causes in the environmental reports. None of the reports
    mention anything about cattle grazing contributing to erosion .


    Tell us everything you know about Cull Canyon.

    Haven't you been paying attention?

    The only thing that you have any interest in is that there is a Nudiswt/Queer Colony at the far end of it.

    Tommy revealing more about his interests......

    But you can tell us different.

    Google maps confirms there is a "The Sequoians Clothes-Free Club" at the
    upper end of Cull Canyon road.
    https://www.sequoians.com/
    Not a colony as they only offer camping for overnight stays, and there's
    no mention of any gender identity restriction. My guess is that you were caught letching like Aqualung and they threw you out, which means in
    your perverted mind that they must be "queer".


    Only a moron speaks of something 3,000 miles from where he lives as if it was someplace he spent a great deal of time.

    Oh the hypocrisy!

    I've only referenced information available on-line, which you have yet
    to refute with anything other than your dumb-ass opinion. If you have information that actually refutes anything I've referenced, post it,
    otherwise it's just _another_ case of you making stupid shit up.


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