• Here is one for you prospective

    From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 8 13:47:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the road different
    that cars because we have to look out for ourselves right? I would say
    the gives us and advantage over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear that I can see and
    ICE agent in front of the car at least part of the body. Then the agent
    on the side with hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what could have been
    and easy out for her. From my prospective as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to think I would
    have done what ever I needed to do. Shooting even for sure because
    naturally that in and of itself could stop things without her death. If
    i get hit on the bike or walking my death could very well be and fast.
    That I know.
    --
    Deacon Mark

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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 8 14:02:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the road
    different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage over
    many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear that I
    can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least part of
    the body. Then the agent on the side with hands on the car
    too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what could
    have been and easy out for her. From my prospective as a
    bike rider in the same situation I would have said " oh my
    gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to think
    I would have done what ever I needed to do. Shooting even
    for sure because naturally that in and of itself could stop
    things without her death. If i get hit on the bike or
    walking my death could very well be and fast. That I know.

    Background on that: https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-agent-who-fired-in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Yes, we all learn from experience.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Thu Jan 8 15:37:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 14:02:46 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the road
    different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage over
    many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear that I
    can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least part of
    the body. Then the agent on the side with hands on the car
    too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what could
    have been and easy out for her. From my prospective as a
    bike rider in the same situation I would have said " oh my
    gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to think
    I would have done what ever I needed to do. Shooting even
    for sure because naturally that in and of itself could stop
    things without her death. If i get hit on the bike or
    walking my death could very well be and fast. That I know.

    Background on that: >https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-agent-who-fired-in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Yes, we all learn from experience.

    Thanks, I didn't know that.
    It was a tragic situation. Too bad that so many are trying to make
    political hay out of it.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 05:46:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the road different
    that cars because we have to look out for ourselves right? I would say
    the gives us and advantage over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear that I can see
    and ICE agent in front of the car at least part of the body. Then the
    agent on the side with hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what could have been
    and easy out for her. From my prospective as a bike rider in the same
    situation I would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to think I would
    have done what ever I needed to do. Shooting even for sure because
    naturally that in and of itself could stop things without her death.
    If i get hit on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that: https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know that the ice
    agent who killed the woman was the same one who was trapped in the
    previous incident. Just becasue "When asked to confirm that the ICE
    agent in the two incidents are one and the same, the Department of
    Homeland Security seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze
    News to a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american citizens by these fascist
    fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.


    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 08:12:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 12:17:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mark J cleary@mcleary08@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 12:41:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    A trial by jury is but that does not seem to work either and getting to
    be on many things. Clearly the agent was about to get hit and the lady
    was reckless. Her stupidity cost her her life. It is really bad but the present heighten emotion state of people needs some check. I am not sure
    it is going to get check because it feeds on itself.
    --
    Deacon Mark
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 13:16:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Bodycam video released:

    https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 15:06:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 12:41:28 -0600, Mark J cleary
    <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    A trial by jury is but that does not seem to work either and getting to
    be on many things. Clearly the agent was about to get hit and the lady
    was reckless. Her stupidity cost her her life. It is really bad but the >present heighten emotion state of people needs some check. I am not sure
    it is going to get check because it feeds on itself.

    Urged on by paid agitators, no doubt. I fear there's going to be more
    blood before it's over.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 15:11:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 13:16:34 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Bodycam video released:

    https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385

    It doesn't clear things up for me. It was already clear that he was in
    front of the car when it started up, and that it hit him.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 20:14:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/9/2026 8:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at
    least part of the body. Then the agent on the side with
    hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my
    prospective as a bike rider in the same situation I
    would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one
    who was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue
    "When asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two
    incidents are one and the same, the Department of Homeland
    Security seemingly confirmed that they are by directing
    Blaze News to a press release about Munoz-Guatemala."
    doesn't mean shit - especially in the context of the
    continual lies being told and violent aggressive actions
    against peaceful american citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed
    middle- aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information.-a This may not be as clear as first reported.



    Addendum/errata:

    The video released today shows that the command to 'drive'
    was from the woman's wife [sic], not an LEO.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From John B.@jbslocomb@fictitious.site to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 19:22:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 20:14:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 8:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at
    least part of the body. Then the agent on the side with
    hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my
    prospective as a bike rider in the same situation I
    would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one
    who was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue
    "When asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two
    incidents are one and the same, the Department of Homeland
    Security seemingly confirmed that they are by directing
    Blaze News to a press release about Munoz-Guatemala."
    doesn't mean shit - especially in the context of the
    continual lies being told and violent aggressive actions
    against peaceful american citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed
    middle- aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information.a This may not be as clear as first reported.



    Addendum/errata:

    The video released today shows that the command to 'drive'
    was from the woman's wife [sic], not an LEO.

    The films I can access seem to show a man holding might be a pistol approaching the driver's side of the car while it is stopped. The car
    appears to start to drive away and the man shoots.

    I had a similar experience years ago. I was stopped for what I thought
    was speeding, which I had not been, and just shut off the engine and
    cranked down my window, I look up and this State Cop is holding a gun
    on me, "get out of the car, Up against the car". While the guy was
    patting me down he sees my Air Force uniforms in the back of the car.
    I show him my Travel Orders and he says I can go. I get all brave
    now he's put his gun away and demand to know why he stopped me, he
    tells me that someone had just shot and killed two people and escaped
    in a car the same color as mine....

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From John B.@jbslocomb@fictitious.site to rec.bicycles.tech on Fri Jan 9 20:15:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2026 19:22:39 -0800, John B.
    <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 20:14:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 8:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at
    least part of the body. Then the agent on the side with
    hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my
    prospective as a bike rider in the same situation I
    would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one
    who was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue
    "When asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two
    incidents are one and the same, the Department of Homeland
    Security seemingly confirmed that they are by directing
    Blaze News to a press release about Munoz-Guatemala."
    doesn't mean shit - especially in the context of the
    continual lies being told and violent aggressive actions
    against peaceful american citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed
    middle- aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information.a This may not be as clear as first reported.



    Addendum/errata:

    The video released today shows that the command to 'drive'
    was from the woman's wife [sic], not an LEO.

    The films I can access seem to show a man holding might be a pistol >approaching the driver's side of the car while it is stopped. The car
    appears to start to drive away and the man shoots.

    I had a similar experience years ago. I was stopped for what I thought
    was speeding, which I had not been, and just shut off the engine and
    cranked down my window, I look up and this State Cop is holding a gun
    on me, "get out of the car, Up against the car". While the guy was
    patting me down he sees my Air Force uniforms in the back of the car.
    I show him my Travel Orders and he says I can go. I get all brave
    now he's put his gun away and demand to know why he stopped me, he
    tells me that someone had just shot and killed two people and escaped
    in a car the same color as mine....

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Jan 10 05:20:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 1/9/2026 1:41 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information.-a This may not be as clear as first reported.

    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
    A trial by jury is but that does not seem to work either and getting to
    be on many things. Clearly the agent was about to get hit and the lady
    was reckless.

    No, that isn't clear at all. All the evidence shows the wheels of the
    car were turned away from the fascist as she drove forward. He wasn't in
    any danger. He was the one being reckless by firing at the driver of a
    moving vehicle (which is against every federal law enforcement agencies policies), not her. But then, these idiots have less training than a
    mall cop.

    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

    "VI. Deadly Force
    B. Discharge of Firearms
    2. Moving Vehicles, Vessels, Aircraft, or other Conveyances
    a. DHS LEOs are prohibited from discharging firearms at the
    operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other conveyance
    unless the use of deadly force against the operator is justified under
    the standards articulated elsewhere in this policy."

    Her stupidity cost her her life.

    No, you asshole, the trigger happy fascist with a gun cost her her life.

    It is really bad but the
    present heighten emotion state of people needs some check. I am not sure
    it is going to get check because it feeds on itself.


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  • From Catrike Ryder@Soloman@old.bikers.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Jan 10 06:23:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 20:14:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 8:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at
    least part of the body. Then the agent on the side with
    hands on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my
    prospective as a bike rider in the same situation I
    would have said " oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then
    brace to see what comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one
    who was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue
    "When asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two
    incidents are one and the same, the Department of Homeland
    Security seemingly confirmed that they are by directing
    Blaze News to a press release about Munoz-Guatemala."
    doesn't mean shit - especially in the context of the
    continual lies being told and violent aggressive actions
    against peaceful american citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed
    middle- aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information.a This may not be as clear as first reported.



    Addendum/errata:

    The video released today shows that the command to 'drive'
    was from the woman's wife [sic], not an LEO.

    If she was simply driving away, why didn't she wait for her "wife" to
    get back in?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman
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  • From Radey Shouman@shouman@comcast.net to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Jan 10 12:11:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

    On 1/9/2026 11:17 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:12:00 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/9/2026 4:46 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 3:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/8/2026 1:47 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    So we are cyclist out on the roads right. We view the
    road different that cars because we have to look out for
    ourselves right? I would say the gives us and advantage
    over many in terms of getting hit and killed.

    I have watch the video may times. Finally it is clear
    that I can see and ICE agent in front of the car at least
    part of the body. Then the agent on the side with hands
    on the car too walking up to the window.

    It is quite a shame this poor lady had to die in what
    could have been and easy out for her. From my prospective
    as a bike rider in the same situation I would have said "
    oh my gosh I am going to get hit" then brace to see what
    comes of it.

    Was this excessive force? In the split second I had to
    think I would have done what ever I needed to do.
    Shooting even for sure because naturally that in and of
    itself could stop things without her death. If i get hit
    on the bike or walking my death could very well be and
    fast. That I know.

    Background on that:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/how-the-minneapolis-ice-
    agent-who-fired- in-self-defense-was-nearly-killed-by-an-
    illegal-alien-child-rapist-in-june

    Horseshit.
    We don't know the identity of the ice agent. We don't know
    that the ice agent who killed the woman was the same one who
    was trapped in the previous incident. Just becasue "When
    asked to confirm that the ICE agent in the two incidents are
    one and the same, the Department of Homeland Security
    seemingly confirmed that they are by directing Blaze News to
    a press release about Munoz-Guatemala." doesn't mean shit -
    especially in the context of the continual lies being told
    and violent aggressive actions against peaceful american
    citizens by these fascist fucks.

    No, we don't praise people who shoot-to-kill unarmed middle-
    aged women.

    Your article is pure fascist propaganda, nothing more.


    Yes, we all learn from experience.



    And opinion changes with information.

    Last evening, I learned that the dead woman, who was active
    in 'ICE Watch' (a group who tried to alert illegals to
    where/when Federal agents were active) heard simultaneous
    conflicting commands from agents at the scene. While one
    yelled to stop and get out of the vehicle, another was at
    the same time telling her to drive through and away.

    I agree that previous experience of the ICE agent is not
    mitigating but it may shed light on his response.

    At this point, I am open; unsure enough to wait for more
    information. This may not be as clear as first reported.
    I don't believe most of the rhetoric at this stage of the situation.
    Trial by internet is not how it's supposed to work.
    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Bodycam video released:

    https://x.com/AlphaNews/status/2009679932289626385

    Here is another angle:

    https://x.com/houtan_esq/status/2008967912833663083

    I can't speak to the provenance of the video, but it looks legit to me.

    We see several armed ICE officers, on foot, approach the decedent in her vehicle. They order her to exit the fucking car. One of them grabs the driver's door handle, then reaches through the open window, presumably
    to try to open the door. She drives in reverse at the same time,
    turning to the right. The shooter has positioned himself to the left
    front of the vehicle, and he draws his pistol. The driver begins
    accelerating forward.

    It does not look to me as though the driver intended to run over the
    officer, but it's hard to tell. She clearly could have done so with a
    small jerk of the wheel, and continues accelerating while the first officer holds on to or reaches into the vehicle.

    Not a safe situation for anyone -- a motor vehicle used in this way is effectively a lethal weapon. The shooter shoots, the driver dies.

    In ordinary circumstances I doubt the shooter would be disciplined or prosecuted; police are normally given a lot of latitude when they
    reasonably fear for their safety. In Minnesota, in 2026, I have no idea
    what will happen.
    --

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