On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 18:47:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>So what you're saying is that there was a ewcession so you gave up? There were two recessions and a mini recession (six months) and 99% of the degreed engineers found jobs during that time or kept the one's they had. Between resessions the market was so hot that degreed engineers were promoted so fast that wages were doubling every 18 months. I have to wonder why you gave up?
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On Fri Dec 19 10:08:09 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:29:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Can't access RBT this morning
Eternal September works for me and seems be functional.
Jeff you never explained why you couldn't find a job as an engineer after 6 years in college while I was promoted from technician? You think me an idiot while with every posting you prove yourself one.
I graduated from Cal Poly, Pomona in June 1971: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
That coincided with the 1969 to 1970 recession: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1969%E2%80%931970>
which had a big impact on the aerospace industry. <https://www.spaceflighthistories.com/post/cancelled-apollo-missions>
"On January 4, 1970, the Apollo 20 mission was canceled. This caused
the launch and landing dates of remaining missions to be pushed back.
On September 2, Apollo's 18 and 19 were canceled as well."
At the time, the local aerospace companies (principally General
Dynamics) were laying off, not hiring.
After graduation, I took some teacher preparation classes in order to
help maintain my draft deferment. The last draft call was in Dec
1972, but it was obvious that the draft would be gone in late 1971. At
that point, I found myself installing 2-way radios in cement mixers.
That didn't last long (2 months?). I then found a job fixing 2-way
radios and designing various devices used in 2-way radio: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/index.html> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
On Mon Dec 22 19:27:02 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 18:47:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Dec 19 10:08:09 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:29:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Can't access RBT this morning
Eternal September works for me and seems be functional.
Jeff you never explained why you couldn't find a job as an engineer after 6 years in college while I was promoted from technician? You think me an idiot while with every posting you prove yourself one.
I graduated from Cal Poly, Pomona in June 1971:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
That coincided with the 1969 to 1970 recession:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1969%E2%80%931970>
which had a big impact on the aerospace industry.
<https://www.spaceflighthistories.com/post/cancelled-apollo-missions>
"On January 4, 1970, the Apollo 20 mission was canceled. This caused
the launch and landing dates of remaining missions to be pushed back.
On September 2, Apollo's 18 and 19 were canceled as well."
At the time, the local aerospace companies (principally General
Dynamics) were laying off, not hiring.
After graduation, I took some teacher preparation classes in order to
help maintain my draft deferment. The last draft call was in Dec
1972, but it was obvious that the draft would be gone in late 1971. At
that point, I found myself installing 2-way radios in cement mixers.
That didn't last long (2 months?). I then found a job fixing 2-way
radios and designing various devices used in 2-way radio:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/index.html>
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
So what you're saying is that there was a ewcession so you gave up? There were two recessions and a mini recession (six months) and 99% of the degreed engineers found jobs during that time or kept the one's they had. Between resessions the market was so hot that degreed engineers were promoted so fast that wages were doubling every 18 months. I have to wonder why you gave up?
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 21:09:08 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>All we need is ONE statistic - you could never find a job. And almost ALL degreed engineers kept theirs during these so-called recessions. All those recessions were, were slowing of the startups. Since I usually worked as a consultant which paid a lot better, aftrer I developed a product they had no further use for me unlessd they had another product to develop.
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On Mon Dec 22 19:27:02 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 18:47:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
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On Fri Dec 19 10:08:09 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:29:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >>
Can't access RBT this morning
Eternal September works for me and seems be functional.
Jeff you never explained why you couldn't find a job as an engineer after 6 years in college while I was promoted from technician? You think me an idiot while with every posting you prove yourself one.
I graduated from Cal Poly, Pomona in June 1971:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
That coincided with the 1969 to 1970 recession:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1969%E2%80%931970>
which had a big impact on the aerospace industry.
<https://www.spaceflighthistories.com/post/cancelled-apollo-missions>
"On January 4, 1970, the Apollo 20 mission was canceled. This caused
the launch and landing dates of remaining missions to be pushed back.
On September 2, Apollo's 18 and 19 were canceled as well."
At the time, the local aerospace companies (principally General
Dynamics) were laying off, not hiring.
After graduation, I took some teacher preparation classes in order to
help maintain my draft deferment. The last draft call was in Dec
1972, but it was obvious that the draft would be gone in late 1971. At
that point, I found myself installing 2-way radios in cement mixers.
That didn't last long (2 months?). I then found a job fixing 2-way
radios and designing various devices used in 2-way radio:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/index.html> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
So what you're saying is that there was a ewcession so you gave up? There were two recessions and a mini recession (six months) and 99% of the degreed engineers found jobs during that time or kept the one's they had. Between resessions the market was so hot that degreed engineers were promoted so fast that wages were doubling every 18 months. I have to wonder why you gave up?
Got any statistics to backup those amazing numbers?
What makes you think I had given up looking for a job? After
graduation, I found employment as a repair technician which lasted 2
months. Working radios in cement mixers was not very appealing.
Therefore, I continued looking for employment. Most of my friends,
who had graduated at the same time, were also having difficulties
finding employment. One talented friend, ended up working for the US
Post Office (thanks to his father). He never went back to
engineering.
After 2 months, I found a different job that was mostly 2-way radio
related installation and service but initially no engineering. The
company had two divisions, PMC (Pacific Mobile Communications) and
Alpha Electronics. For PMC, I worked with the radios. For Alpha, I
designed communications accessories. The chief engineer (who
incidentally was self-taught and did not have a degree at the time)
was overload and would "borrow" me to do design work. For me, I
eventually worked about 80% for Alpha (engineering) and 20% for PMC
(radios). That lasted about 2 years (Jun 1971 to Feb 1973). See
bottom of resume at: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
PMC photos: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/index.html>
If you look at the Unemployment graph for the period: <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/US_60s_70s_Unemployment.png>
you might notice that while I was in college, unemployment was about
3.5%. When I graduated in Jun 1971, unemployment had increase to 5.5
to 6% and stayed there until 1974, when the energy crisis caused it to
go up to 9%. If there was any significant recovery (after I had
graduated), I don't see it on the graph. If there was a "hot" market,
I never saw it. If wages had doubled every 18 months, it wasn't for
starting engineers.
Mini recession? I don't think so. There might be a few, but not in
the early 1970's:
"GDP-Based Recession Indicator Index" <https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JHGDPBRINDX>
How the graph works:
<https://econbrowser.com/recession-index>
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