On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:25:05 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 20.12.2025 um 06:10 schrieb John B.:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 23:00:26 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 08:49:41 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Death does not have a do-over.
No punishment has a do-over. You can't even pay back a
fine, unless it was such a small fine that it didn't hurt.
The argument against death sentences is very simple:
A government derives its just powers from the consent of the
governed. That is, the citizens delegate rights to the
government.
You have a right to kill someone if you can't think of any
other way to stop him from harming you or yours. Therefore,
you can delegate to your government the right to send a
sniper to take out someone who is holding a knife to the
throat of a hostage.
You don't have the right to kill someone that you have
secured in a cage, so that he cannot harm anyone.
Therefore, all death sentences should be suspended, to be
executed only if it proves unreasonably difficult to prevent
the miscreant from repeating his crime.
Well.... Apparently mankind hasn't been listening to you as in the
18th Century BC, the Code of King Hammurabi of Babylon codified the
death penalty. Further: in 16th Century BC Egypt
the 14th Century BC, the Hittite Code
The 7th Century BC Draconian Code of Athens
the 5th Century BC, the Roman Law of the Twelve Tablets
The most infamous execution of history occurred approximately 29 AD
with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
Great Britain has a long history of punishment by death
By that logic, also slavery would be fine.
Humanity has the tendency to adjust what's right and what is wrong.
But what is right and what is wrong? And what has right and wrong
over the years? In the U.S. they once hung people for being a witch.
--
cheers,
John B.
On 12/22/2025 6:41 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:25:05 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 20.12.2025 um 06:10 schrieb John B.:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 23:00:26 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 08:49:41 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Death does not have a do-over.
No punishment has a do-over. You can't even pay back a
fine, unless it was such a small fine that it didn't hurt.
The argument against death sentences is very simple:
A government derives its just powers from the consent of the
governed. That is, the citizens delegate rights to the
government.
You have a right to kill someone if you can't think of any
other way to stop him from harming you or yours. Therefore,
you can delegate to your government the right to send a
sniper to take out someone who is holding a knife to the
throat of a hostage.
You don't have the right to kill someone that you have
secured in a cage, so that he cannot harm anyone.
Therefore, all death sentences should be suspended, to be
executed only if it proves unreasonably difficult to prevent
the miscreant from repeating his crime.
Well.... Apparently mankind hasn't been listening to you as in the
18th Century BC, the Code of King Hammurabi of Babylon codified the
death penalty. Further: in 16th Century BC Egypt
the 14th Century BC, the Hittite Code
The 7th Century BC Draconian Code of Athens
the 5th Century BC, the Roman Law of the Twelve Tablets
The most infamous execution of history occurred approximately 29 AD
with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
Great Britain has a long history of punishment by death
By that logic, also slavery would be fine.
Humanity has the tendency to adjust what's right and what is wrong.
But what is right and what is wrong? And what has right and wrong
over the years? In the U.S. they once hung people for being a witch.
--
cheers,
John B.
While I have not changed my opposition to capital punishment
for public policy, who among us doesn't have that though
when reading the morning news?
https://nypost.com/2025/12/25/us-news/long-island-sicko-allegedly-raped-robbed-12-year-old-boy/
On 12/22/2025 6:41 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:25:05 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 20.12.2025 um 06:10 schrieb John B.:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 23:00:26 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 08:49:41 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
-a-a Death does not have a do-over.
No punishment has a do-over.-a You can't even pay back a
fine, unless it was such a small fine that it didn't hurt.
The argument against death sentences is very simple:
A government derives its just powers from the consent of the
governed.-a That is, the citizens delegate rights to the
government.
You have a right to kill someone if you can't think of any
other way to stop him from harming you or yours.-a Therefore,
you can delegate to your government the right to send a
sniper to take out someone who is holding a knife to the
throat of a hostage.
You don't have the right to kill someone that you have
secured in a cage, so that he cannot harm anyone.
Therefore, all death sentences should be suspended, to be
executed only if it proves unreasonably difficult to prevent
the miscreant from repeating his crime.
Well.... Apparently mankind hasn't been listening to you as in the
18th Century BC, the Code of King Hammurabi of Babylon codified the
death penalty. Further: in 16th Century BC Egypt
-a-a the 14th Century BC, the Hittite Code
The 7th Century BC Draconian Code of Athens
the 5th Century BC, the Roman Law of the Twelve Tablets
The most infamous execution of history occurred approximately 29 AD
with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
Great Britain has a long history of punishment by death
By that logic, also slavery would be fine.
Humanity has the tendency to adjust what's right and what is wrong.
But what is right and what is wrong?-a And what has right and wrong
over the years? In the U.S. they once hung people for being a witch.
--
cheers,
John B.
While I have not changed my opposition to capital punishment for public policy, who among us doesn't have that though when reading the morning
news?
https://nypost.com/2025/12/25/us-news/long-island-sicko-allegedly-raped- robbed-12-year-old-boy/
On 12/17/2025 8:46 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 08:15:46 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nypost.com/2025/12/17/us-news/vegas-men-jesus-ayala-and-jzamir-keys-who-killed-retired-police-chief-andreas-probst-in-viral-video-sentenced/
I'm strongly in favor of the death sentence.... you end someone's
life, we end yours.
--
cheers,
John B.
In principle I'm with you.People being freed, unfortunately, are not people innocent of the charges. They are USUALLY released because of errors in the trial. I have seen too many people being released on some pretty horrible crimes simply by working a deal with the prosecutor. Prosecutors have NO feelings for the people that they represent. A deal is a successful prosecution to them whether it is fair or not. I assume you serve on juries and have watched it occur.
But practically, the State is neither honest nor competent
so there's no just path to a proper execution.
https://innocenceproject.org/
People are regularly freed after years of wrongful
imprisonment. Death does not have a do-over.
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