On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B.--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the
two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism
is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a
great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a
trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad
as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and
we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us
have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic
social services network in well-established democratic governments that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:IAm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by the >state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and age and >disability.
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the >>> two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism >>> is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the >>> context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies >>> can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a
great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a >>> trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad >>> as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and
we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us >>> have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us >>> some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic
social services network in well-established democratic governments that >>> they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
On 27 Dec 2025 08:44:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:I-Am not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by the >> state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and age and >> disability.
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the >>>> two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism >>>> is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the >>>> context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies >>>> can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a >>>> great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a >>>> trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad >>>> as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and >>>> we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us >>>> have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us >>>> some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic >>>> social services network in well-established democratic governments that >>>> they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
I've read that in Detroit, that used to be the auto building center
of the U.S. that they are well into the 3rd generation of
unemployment payments.
--
cheers,
John B.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the >>> two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism >>> is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a
great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a >>> trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad >>> as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and
we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us >>> have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic
social services network in well-established democratic governments that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:IrCOm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by the state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and age and disability.
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the >>> two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism >>> is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a
great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a >>> trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad >>> as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and
we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us >>> have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic
social services network in well-established democratic governments that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries left which yes do
tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
On 12/27/2025 3:44 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:IAm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by the
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last country, over >>>>>>>>>>>> here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they provide >>>>>>>>>>> someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is that >>>>>>>>>> your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine caused by >>>>>>> the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to penury... >>>>>>>
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have conflated the >>>> two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism. Socialism >>>> is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in the >>>> context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic policies >>>> can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a >>>> great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed to a >>>> trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were as bad >>>> as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and >>>> we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? let us >>>> have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people? Send us >>>> some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic >>>> social services network in well-established democratic governments that >>>> they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and age and >> disability.
Many pilot programs have been tried, most of them have show very
positive results
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/multiple-countries-have-tested-universal-basic-income-and-it-works
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries left which yes do
tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
Communism can't exist without a strong centralized power structure and
Marx declared socialism as a means to that end. Such strong centralized >control lends itself to human foibles and greed.
That doesn't mean that highly socialized societies are pre-destined to >become dictatorships. Socialism is necessary for communism - the
opposite is not true.
" From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs "
--Marx
On 12/27/2025 3:44 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle-a wrote:IrCOm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the
last country, over
here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might
win this time.
But then you like being in a socialist country
since they provide
someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you
don't eat. Is that
your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if
memory serves can?t
define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the
famine caused by
the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from
wealth to penury...
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to
centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships.
Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but
dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes
have conflated the
two for over a century now in an effort to demonize
socialism. Socialism
is not by definition a dictatorial form of government.
Socialism in the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist
economic policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european
nations are a
great example - so much so that since the establishment
of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries
has slowed to a
trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/
File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions
there were as bad
as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be
notorious and
we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ?
just a few ? let us
have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few
people? Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump-
shithole-countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a
strong socialistic
social services network in well-established democratic
governments that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we
have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is
donnydumbass, not you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that
socialism is not a
dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when
everything is being
given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
provided by the
state, some countries do provide money for those on low
income and age and
disability.
Many pilot programs have been tried, most of them have show
very positive results
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/multiple- countries-have-tested-universal-basic-income-and-it-works
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries
left which yes do
tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
Communism can't exist without a strong centralized power
structure and Marx declared socialism as a means to that
end. Such strong centralized control lends itself to human
foibles and greed.
That doesn't mean that highly socialized societies are pre-
destined to become dictatorships. Socialism is necessary for
communism - the opposite is not true.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 09:17:09 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
" From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
--Marx
The only thing you need to make that work is some bureaucrats to
decide each person's needs are, and some thugs to make each person
perform up to their ability.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 12/27/2025 7:09 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/27/2025 3:44 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle-a wrote:IrCOm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by >>> the
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last >>>>>>>>>>>>> country, over
here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they >>>>>>>>>>>> provide
someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is >>>>>>>>>>> that
your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine
caused by
the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to
penury...
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization.
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not
essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have
conflated the
two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism.
Socialism
is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in >>>>> the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic
policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a >>>>> great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed >>>>> to a
trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/
File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were
as bad
as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and >>>>> we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ?
let us
have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people?
Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump- shithole-
countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic >>>>> social services network in well-established democratic governments
that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many
loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not
you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a >>>> dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being >>>> given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and
age and
disability.
Many pilot programs have been tried, most of them have show very
positive results
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/multiple- countries-have-
tested-universal-basic-income-and-it-works
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries left which yes do >>> tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
Communism can't exist without a strong centralized power structure and
Marx declared socialism as a means to that end. Such strong
centralized control lends itself to human foibles and greed.
That doesn't mean that highly socialized societies are pre- destined
to become dictatorships. Socialism is necessary for communism - the
opposite is not true.
Without drawing sharp lines*, you have to notice that where taxes are highest, corruption, inefficiency and waste flourish.
It's as if they
are dissipating other people's money...
*we are not going to resolve definitions for all cases of free markets, socialism, fascism and communism here, so I won't try.
On 12/27/2025 10:16 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/27/2025 7:09 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/27/2025 3:44 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cyclea wrote:IAm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by >>>> the
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, over
here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is >>>>>>>>>>>> that
your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine >>>>>>>>> caused by
the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to
penury...
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization. >>>>>>>
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not >>>>>> essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have
conflated the
two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism.
Socialism
is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in >>>>>> the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic
policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a >>>>>> great example - so much so that since the establishment of social
democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed >>>>>> to a
trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/
File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were >>>>>> as bad
as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and >>>>>> we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? >>>>>> let us
have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people?
Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump- shithole-
countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic >>>>>> social services network in well-established democratic governments >>>>>> that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many >>>>>> loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not
you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a >>>>> dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being >>>>> given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and
age and
disability.
Many pilot programs have been tried, most of them have show very
positive results
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/multiple- countries-have-
tested-universal-basic-income-and-it-works
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries left which yes do >>>> tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
Communism can't exist without a strong centralized power structure and
Marx declared socialism as a means to that end. Such strong
centralized control lends itself to human foibles and greed.
That doesn't mean that highly socialized societies are pre- destined
to become dictatorships. Socialism is necessary for communism - the
opposite is not true.
Without drawing sharp lines*, you have to notice that where taxes are
highest, corruption, inefficiency and waste flourish.
Says you....the facts don't bear that out.
Finland and denmark rank # 2 and 3 in tax rates >https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/countries-with-the-highest-tax-rates/
yet have the lowest corruption rating >https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024
followed by the happiest population >https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
Socialism is not the big bad boogieman you're attempting to paint it.
It's as if they
are dissipating other people's money...
hence the term "socialism"
*we are not going to resolve definitions for all cases of free markets,
socialism, fascism and communism here, so I won't try.
Apply that to your constant denigration of socialism - you'll be far
more successful.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 15:03:57 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 12/27/2025 10:16 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/27/2025 7:09 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/27/2025 3:44 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Dec 18 06:26:48 2025 zen cycle-a wrote:IrCOm not aware of anywhere that has universal basic income provided by >>>>> the
On 12/17/2025 8:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/17/2025 3:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 7:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/16/2025 5:44 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/16/2025 11:58 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 17:07:07 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat Dec 13 03:26:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Well maybe. It's only about 1/4 the size of the last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, over
here, that the U.S. tried to conquer. You might win this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But then you like being in a socialist country since they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide
someone to push your wheelchair around.
What socialist country? Here you don't work you don't eat. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
your idea of socialism?
--
cheers,
John B.
He seems to just think it?s a bad word and if memory serves can?t >>>>>>>>>>>> define
what it is.
Your memory serves you correctly
Many nice features, such as the gulag, Trabants, the famine >>>>>>>>>> caused by
the Great Leap Forward, Venezuela's descent from wealth to >>>>>>>>>> penury...
None of those are tenets of socialism.
You haven't read Hayek. All those are inherent to centralization. >>>>>>>>
No, they aren't. They're inherent to dictatorships. Centralized
government is essential to dictatorships, but dictatorships are not >>>>>>> essential to socialized governments. Selfish assholes have
conflated the
two for over a century now in an effort to demonize socialism.
Socialism
is not by definition a dictatorial form of government. Socialism in >>>>>>> the
context of a representative democracy with capitalist economic
policies
can and do work quite well. Modern day northern european nations are a >>>>>>> great example - so much so that since the establishment of social >>>>>>> democracies post WW2 the emigration from those countries has slowed >>>>>>> to a
trickle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Nordic_immigration_to_North_America#/media/
File:Trends_in_Norwegian_immigration_to_the_U._S._A.png
The nordic states allow free emigration. If conditions there were >>>>>>> as bad
as you make them out to be, Finnish slave camps would be notorious and >>>>>>> we'd have more of donald trumps wishes fulfilled:
"Why can?t we have some people from Norway, Sweden ? just a few ? >>>>>>> let us
have a few. From Denmark ? do you mind sending us a few people?
Send us
some nice people, do you mind?" - trump, december 9, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/politics/donald-trump- shithole-
countries-phrase
Well, donnydumbass, it's partly because they have a strong socialistic >>>>>>> social services network in well-established democratic governments >>>>>>> that
they actually like, but in large part it's because we have too many >>>>>>> loudmouthed assholes like you. (that 'you' is donnydumbass, not
you, Andrew)
Flunky, it might be argued that you are correct that socialism is not a >>>>>> dictatorship it invariably becomes one because when everything is being >>>>>> given away, there is no incentive fore anyone to work.
state, some countries do provide money for those on low income and
age and
disability.
Many pilot programs have been tried, most of them have show very
positive results
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/multiple- countries-have-
tested-universal-basic-income-and-it-works
I suspect you mean some of the few Communist countries left which yes do >>>>> tend to end up being dictatorships Russia for example.
Communism can't exist without a strong centralized power structure and >>>> Marx declared socialism as a means to that end. Such strong
centralized control lends itself to human foibles and greed.
That doesn't mean that highly socialized societies are pre- destined
to become dictatorships. Socialism is necessary for communism - the
opposite is not true.
Without drawing sharp lines*, you have to notice that where taxes are
highest, corruption, inefficiency and waste flourish.
Says you....the facts don't bear that out.
Finland and denmark rank # 2 and 3 in tax rates
https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/countries-with-the-highest-tax-rates/
yet have the lowest corruption rating
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024
followed by the happiest population
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
Socialism is not the big bad boogieman you're attempting to paint it.
It's as if they
are dissipating other people's money...
hence the term "socialism"
*we are not going to resolve definitions for all cases of free markets,
socialism, fascism and communism here, so I won't try.
Apply that to your constant denigration of socialism - you'll be far
more successful.
" From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
--Marx
The only thing you need to make that work is some bureaucrats to
decide each person's needs are, and some thugs to make each person
perform up to their ability.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
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