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a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:itS9Q.481298$zOOb.423990@fx16.iad:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free people,
and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates. We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us. We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That there
may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

You say we celebrate freedom from a king, yet tRump is rulling by decree/Executive Order.

Congress and the SCOTUS are in his pocket.
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On 7/4/25 10:53, Baxter wrote:

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:itS9Q.481298$zOOb.423990@fx16.iad:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free people,
and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates. We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us. We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That there
may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

You say we celebrate freedom from a king, yet tRump is rulling by decree/Executive Order.

Congress and the SCOTUS are in his pocket.

Only so much as they agree with some of his basic values:

1. To immigrate into this country, one must stop at the border,
identify themselves, and get permission. That for decades has
been the law, agreed to by both the House, the Senate, and
the Presidency. If one fails to do that, they may be deported.

2. There are 2 sexes. It is wrong for people to chemically or
surgically mutilate children to manipulate their sex. It is
blatantly unfair for a male who has gone through puberty and
still has a penis to force themselves into girls dressing
rooms and compete in events like swimming, track, and volleyball.

3. The American public has been lied to many times by Democrats
and media sources that support them.
3.a Biden is as fit as a fiddle - the US Voters saw clearly at
last June's debate that Biden belonged more in a Memory Care Unit
than he did negotiating foreign crises.
3.b The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
Hunter Biden himself admitted that it was exactly as represented,
that he was a sex and drug addict, and was grifting by selling
himself as access to Joe Biden.

Again Baxter, you believe too many lies.


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a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:Z7W9Q.33984$YHY7.26277 @fx06.iad:

On 7/4/25 10:53, Baxter wrote:

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:itS9Q.481298$zOOb.423990@fx16.iad:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free

people,

and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates. We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us. We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That

there

may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

You say we celebrate freedom from a king, yet tRump is rulling by
decree/Executive Order.

Congress and the SCOTUS are in his pocket.

Only so much as they agree with some of his basic values:

They're bending settled Law to accomodate him. Congress is allowing him powers that the Constitution gives to Congrees and denys the Presidency

1. To immigrate into this country, one must stop at the border,
identify themselves, and get permission. That for decades has
been the law, agreed to by both the House, the Senate, and
the Presidency. If one fails to do that, they may be deported.

They're deporting people who came here legally, and have been productive workers for decades. They're looking to strip Naturalized citizens of
their citizenship and deport them. They plan to deny Birthright
Citzenship.

2. There are 2 sexes. It is wrong for people to chemically or
surgically mutilate children to manipulate their sex. It is
blatantly unfair for a male who has gone through puberty and
still has a penis to force themselves into girls dressing
rooms and compete in events like swimming, track, and volleyball.

You are anti-science - and refuse to acknowledge that gender and sex are
not the same thing.

3. The American public has been lied to many times by Democrats
and media sources that support them.

No more so than the Repugs and the media sources that support the
Repugs.

3.a Biden is as fit as a fiddle - the US Voters saw clearly at
last June's debate that Biden belonged more in a Memory Care Unit
than he did negotiating foreign crises.

and you ignore the growing alarm among tRump's people about his mental deterioration.

3.b The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
Hunter Biden himself admitted that it was exactly as represented,
that he was a sex and drug addict, and was grifting by selling
himself as access to Joe Biden.

Hunter Biden's issues had (and have) no bearing on democracy nor
national policies.

Again Baxter, you believe too many lies.

But I don't believe yours.
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On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free people,
and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That there may
NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of democracy"
crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you believe
Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd like to run for a
third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or
annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during this
Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on the Right.


SMH

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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me...

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but more
likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on the Right.
SMH

--------------------------------------

The tactic is to accuse the enemy of what you are planning so when you do it you can claim justification as self-defense or retribution, and at least
your sheeple followers will believe you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

I worry that AI will become accepted as an authority and misused to subvert democracy to gain the greater "efficiency" of a dictatorship, the same rapid efficiency the left deplores about Trump's executive orders but supported
from their side.

The left can't accept that state planning has always proven itself inferior. In the best case government is more concerned with equality than efficiency and tolerates waste. In the worst case... https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/myths-about-the-soviet-union-inequality-poverty-and-quality-of-life/

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Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free
people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That
there may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of democracy"
crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you believe
Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd like to run for
a third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or
annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf
of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during
this Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of
democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but
more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on
the Right.

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.


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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote in news:1049rf0$13mmv$1@dont-email.me:

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me...

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but
more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on
the Right. SMH

--------------------------------------

The tactic is to accuse the enemy of what you are planning so when you
do it you can claim justification as self-defense or retribution, and
at least your sheeple followers will believe you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

I worry that AI will become accepted as an authority and misused to
subvert democracy to gain the greater "efficiency" of a dictatorship,
the same rapid efficiency the left deplores about Trump's executive
orders but supported from their side.

The left can't accept that state planning has always proven itself
inferior. In the best case government is more concerned with equality
than efficiency and tolerates waste. In the worst case... https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/myths-about-the-soviet-union-inequali ty-poverty-and-quality-of-life/

The only one advocating and doing State Planning is tRump.
=========
Overall, Trump's involvement shifted from initial opposition to
eventually approving the merger, contingent on a national security
agreement that granted the US government significant control over U.S.
Steel through a "golden share" provision.

Controversy surrounding the "Golden Share": The "golden share" gives
Trump, and subsequently the Treasury and Commerce Departments, veto power
over decisions such as relocating headquarters, closing plants, or
reducing investment. This level of government control over a private
company has been described as "startling" by some.
========
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On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:
> What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free
people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That
there may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of democracy"
crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you believe
Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd like to run for
a third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or
annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf
of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during
this Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of
democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but
more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on
the Right.

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It was
not an executive order.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that might over-reach.


SMH

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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:104b21q$1f4b1$1@dont-email.me...

On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It was
not an executive order.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that might over-reach.
SMH

-------------------------------------
Then Democrat FDR effectively ended democracy with 3,721 executive orders, still by far the most. Trump only recently passed Democrat Clinton (364) and is well short of Democrat Truman (907).
Accuse your opponent of exactly what you do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

"Before 1932, uncontested executive orders had determined such issues as national mourning on the death of a president and the lowering of flags to half-staff.

President Franklin Roosevelt issued the first of his 3,721 executive orders
on March 6, 1933, declaring a bank holiday, and forbidding banks to release gold coin or bullion. Executive Order 6102 forbade the hoarding of gold
coin, bullion and gold certificates. A further executive order required all newly mined domestic gold be delivered to the Treasury.

By Executive Order 6581, the president created the Export-Import Bank of the United States. On March 7, 1934, he established the National Recovery Review Board (Executive Order 6632). On June 29, the president issued Executive
Order 6763 "under the authority vested in me by the Constitution", thereby creating the National Labor Relations Board."

"...Roosevelt's successor, Harry S. Truman, had ordered private steel production facilities seized in Executive Order 10340 to support the Korean War effort: the Court held that the executive order was not within the power granted to the president by the Constitution."

Those executive orders created the law, constitutionally the job of
Congress. The President's task is to enforce the law which Biden (162) blatantly failed to do. Trump is only following the precedent the Democrats established, they are hypocritically holding him to a double standard that didn't apply to them.

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Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:104b21q$1f4b1$1 @dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:
> What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free
people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That
there may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of

democracy"

crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you believe
Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd like to run

for

a third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or
annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf
of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during
this Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of
democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but
more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on
the Right.

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It

was

not an executive order.

the Budget is not the only "law" of this Administration. tRump has issued
166 Executive orders so far this year.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that might over-reach.

The SCOTUS is twisting themselves into pretzels to sanctify tRump's lawlessness.

Let's take an example - tRump's ending Birthright Citizenship. SCOTUS has
not directly ruled on that issue, but has allowed it to be in effect everywhere not actively being challenged in lower courts - and
injunctions only apply to litigants - so it is de facto law.


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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote in news:104b5m2$1g3ua$1@dont-email.me:

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
news:104b21q$1f4b1$1@dont-email.me...

On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It
was not an executive order.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that
might over-reach.
SMH

-------------------------------------
Then Democrat FDR effectively ended democracy with 3,721 executive
orders, still by far the most. Trump only recently passed Democrat
Clinton (364) and is well short of Democrat Truman (907).
Accuse your opponent of exactly what you do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

"Before 1932, uncontested executive orders had determined such issues
as national mourning on the death of a president and the lowering of
flags to half-staff.

President Franklin Roosevelt issued the first of his 3,721 executive
orders on March 6, 1933, declaring a bank holiday, and forbidding
banks to release gold coin or bullion. Executive Order 6102 forbade
the hoarding of gold coin, bullion and gold certificates. A further
executive order required all newly mined domestic gold be delivered to
the Treasury.

By Executive Order 6581, the president created the Export-Import Bank
of the United States. On March 7, 1934, he established the National
Recovery Review Board (Executive Order 6632). On June 29, the
president issued Executive Order 6763 "under the authority vested in
me by the Constitution", thereby creating the National Labor Relations Board."

"...Roosevelt's successor, Harry S. Truman, had ordered private steel production facilities seized in Executive Order 10340 to support the
Korean War effort: the Court held that the executive order was not
within the power granted to the president by the Constitution."

Those executive orders created the law, constitutionally the job of Congress. The President's task is to enforce the law which Biden (162) blatantly failed to do. Trump is only following the precedent the
Democrats established, they are hypocritically holding him to a double standard that didn't apply to them.

Before tRump, executive orders were aimed at the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced. tRump has used them to create new legislation. It is the job of Congress
to create any new legislation, the President only decides how (not if) it
is implemented.

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Baxter wrote:

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in news:itS9Q.481298$zOOb.423990@fx16.iad:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free people,
and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates. We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us. We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That there
may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

You say we celebrate freedom from a king, yet tRump is rulling by decree/Executive Order.

Congress and the SCOTUS are in his pocket.

Sounds like a useful man.
--
Further penitence and piracy
between the spliff and all the grapes
Hum enslaving race
And keep your Js.

vo^ vo^ C ü c k h a u s ^ov ^ov
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Stephen Harding wrote:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free people,
and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That there
may
NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of democracy"

You exaxxerate. "constantly?". I doubt.

1) It's impossible.

2) You found my other Achilles Heel. I am so exasperated by point 1
that I can't remember my argument anymore. Floss?
--
Further penitence and piracy
between the spliff and all the grapes
Hum enslaving race
And keep your Js.

vo^ vo^ C ü c k h a u s ^ov ^ov
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On 7/5/25 10:47 AM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:104b21q$1f4b1$1 @dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:
> What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free
people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth. >>>>> We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That
there may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything
and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of

democracy"

crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you believe
Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd like to run

for

a third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or
annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf
of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during
this Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of
democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but
more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on
the Right.

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It

was

not an executive order.

the Budget is not the only "law" of this Administration. tRump has issued
166 Executive orders so far this year.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that might
over-reach.

The SCOTUS is twisting themselves into pretzels to sanctify tRump's lawlessness.

Let's take an example - tRump's ending Birthright Citizenship. SCOTUS has
not directly ruled on that issue, but has allowed it to be in effect everywhere not actively being challenged in lower courts - and
injunctions only apply to litigants - so it is de facto law.

Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment
and won't go away via executive order. It would require a new amendment withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3 of the House
and Senate and 2/3 of the states. It's purposely difficult to add constitutional amendments.

The Supreme Court has simply ruled that lower courts cannot issue nation
wide injunctions on policies of an administration. The Supreme Court
has previously upheld birthright citizenship and I presume when a
litigant gets to the Supreme Court, it will be upheld again.





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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:104dtvb$270tj$1@dont-email.me...

Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment
and won't go away via executive order. It would require a new amendment withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3 of the House
and Senate and 2/3 of the states. It's purposely difficult to add constitutional amendments.

--------------------------------

That issue may depend on if those who illegally invade and hide from the law are avoiding US jurisdiction.

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Pr//tr Mdrkz <horchata12839@gmail.com> wrote in news:mctii7Fab7U2 @mid.individual.net:

Baxter wrote:

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:itS9Q.481298$zOOb.423990@fx16.iad:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:

What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free

people,

and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.
We do not have to accept what a King dictates. We do not have
to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,
Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us. We are able to accept what
we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give
us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That

there

may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

You say we celebrate freedom from a king, yet tRump is rulling by
decree/Executive Order.

Congress and the SCOTUS are in his pocket.

Sounds like a useful man.

cockroach
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Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:104dtvb$270tj$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/5/25 10:47 AM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in news:104b21q$1f4b1$1
@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:

Stephen Harding <smharding@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:

On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:

On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:
> What are we celebrating?

We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free
people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the
truth. We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not
have to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris,
Schumer, Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept
what we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will
give us a better future.

Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That
there may NOT be any more elections?

Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?
You have believed too many lies.

Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in
everything and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the
"end of

democracy"

crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives. Why do you
believe Trump is going to end democracy? Because he says he'd
like to run

for

a third term? You believer that will happen?

Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state,
or annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the
Gulf of America?

If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such
statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during
this Trump administration). Why lose sleep over the "end of
democracy"?

The end of American democracy will probably come at some point,
but more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than
authoritarians on the Right.

Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.

The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote. It

was

not an executive order.

the Budget is not the only "law" of this Administration. tRump has
issued 166 Executive orders so far this year.

The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that
might over-reach.

The SCOTUS is twisting themselves into pretzels to sanctify tRump's
lawlessness.

Let's take an example - tRump's ending Birthright Citizenship. SCOTUS
has not directly ruled on that issue, but has allowed it to be in
effect everywhere not actively being challenged in lower courts - and
injunctions only apply to litigants - so it is de facto law.

Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment
and won't go away via executive order. It would require a new
amendment withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3
of the House and Senate and 2/3 of the states. It's purposely
difficult to add constitutional amendments.

The Supreme Court has simply ruled that lower courts cannot issue
nation wide injunctions on policies of an administration. The Supreme
Court has previously upheld birthright citizenship and I presume when
a litigant gets to the Supreme Court, it will be upheld again.

And because of SCOTUS, some newborns will be called "illegal aliens" and deported. You think that's hyperbole? It's not. And even if they don't
get deported, benefits that accrue to newborn citizens will be denied.

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote in news:104e1t2$28coj$1@dont-email.me:

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment
and won't go away via executive order. It would require a new
amendment withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3
of the House and Senate and 2/3 of the states. It's purposely
difficult to add constitutional amendments.

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That issue may depend on if those who illegally invade and hide from
the law are avoiding US jurisdiction.

If they can be arrested and tried in US courts, they are Subject to US Jurisdiction. Full stop.

A diplomat is not subject to US jurisiction - they cannot be arrested and tried in any US court - for ANY crime include murder.


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