Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be able to participate because they're
too thick to figure out how to get ID, so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population from even being able to shovel snow for him.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department >specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >yourself because they ran out of money.
Also, how is the union reacting to their employees being deprived of
extra hours? I'll bet they're NOT happy!
FWIW, I once spoke to a woman who grew up in a small European village
where they didn't get much snow and there were no snow plows. On at
acleast one occasion, the village had a significant snow fall and the
whole village turned out with shovels to clear the main drag. Of course
that would have been back in 1930s; perhaps the same happened here in
small towns that didn't normally get snow.
In <10nfoqo$2dsin$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:
[snip]
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm
clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it
yourself because they ran out of money.
umm, you might try some magnesium. It's often a good treatment
for kneejerks.
a: these are NOT "volunteers" [1] but are paid positions to
help augment in areas such as sidewalk curb cuts and bus stops.
Oh, and fire hydrants.
b: this has been a standard NYC deal for years. More likely decades.
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems >for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department >specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of >yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed
that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID,
so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population
from even being able to shovel snow for him.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems >> for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm
clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it
yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed
that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, >> so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population
from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees
which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved
with voter ID.
On Feb 22, 2026 at 1:30:26 PM PST, "danny burstein" <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
In <10nfoqo$2dsin$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:
[snip]
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >>> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >>> clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >>> yourself because they ran out of money.
umm, you might try some magnesium. It's often a good treatment
for kneejerks.
a: these are NOT "volunteers" [1] but are paid positions to
help augment in areas such as sidewalk curb cuts and bus stops.
Oh, and fire hydrants.
b: this has been a standard NYC deal for years. More likely decades.
The fact that it's been going on a long time isn't the flex you think it is. People in NYC pay some of the highest taxes in the nation and one of the things they're supposed to get for all that state-sanctioned robbery is an efficient snow-removal department. Asking the citizens who have already *paid*
for snow removal to do it themselves, either as volunteers or temporary employees, would be fucked up even if this was the first time it happened. For
it to have been going on for years just makes it all the more appalling.
Here's an idea: instead of spending billions of tax dollars on illegal aliens and vagrants, how about fully fund the sanitation department (or whatever department snow removal falls under)?
This is also happening in L.A., except it's trash rather than snow. We have an
entire Bureau of Sanitation that has more than 3000 employees, yet the city looks like a giant trash heap. Of course, the city is in a budget crisis, having spent literally billions on the homeless (only for homelessness to increase) and giving illegal aliens free hotel rooms, meals, health care, and debit cards full of taxpayer money, so the city council has all but completely
defunded the Bureau of Sanitation (along with the fire department, police department, and a bunch of other city departments) to pay for all that. As a result, trash now blows through the streets like tumbleweeds in Tombstone. And
it doesn't help that we have 80,000 vagrants who are continually making more of it and throwing it into the street.
So what does Mayor Karen Bass do (who I wouldn't trust to manage a Starbucks, let alone the nation's second largest city)? She goes on TV and announces a new citizen initiative where we're supposed to organize trash collecting groups in our neighborhoods and go out and pick up the trash ourselves. Yes, a
service we've already paid for with the highest taxes in the nation, now we're
supposed to do it ourselves-- and *keep* paying those taxes at the same time.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems >> for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm
clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it
yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed
that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, >> so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population >>from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees
which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved--
with voter ID.
On Feb 22, 2026 at 2:17:27 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems
for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >>> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >>> clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >>> yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed
that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, >>> so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population
from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees
which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific
government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in
California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved
with voter ID.
Sure it can. Under a voter ID requirement, you'd be required to provide your driver license number on your mail-in ballot, which will then be cross-checked
before the ballot is counted.
A ballot harvester who's filling out blank ballots will be highly unlikely to also have a list of dozens or hundreds of people whose names to fill them out under *and* their DL numbers to go with it.
Feb 22, 2026 at 2:17:27 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of >>>yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and >>>vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. . . .
. . .
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific >>government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in >>California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved >>with voter ID.
Sure it can. Under a voter ID requirement, you'd be required to provide
your driver license number on your mail-in ballot, which will then be >cross-checked before the ballot is counted.
A ballot harvester who's filling out blank ballots will be highly unlikely
to also have a list of dozens or hundreds of people whose names to fill
them out under *and* their DL numbers to go with it.
. . .
I remember hearing a British commentator saying that he was pretty sure
that mail-in ballots from Muslim households were mostly being filled in
by the man of the house; he strongly suspected that the voting-age women >were either told who to vote for or the man simply filled in all their
forms on their behalf, probably without even asking them.
That should
outrage at least all the feminists. It seems like a good argument for >minimizing mail-in voting so that women have to vote in person and can
then vote for whoever they like. (Of course hubby could still tell them
but if he can be kept a distance away, she can vote for whoever she
likes and tell him he voted for whoever he instructed her to choose.
Mind you, he'd probably take advantage of the rules to say he HAS to go
with her to interpret and even fill out the ballot because she's >illiterate.)
On 2026-02-22 5:17 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:It's a boy's job if it is just shovelling a couple of driveways. I
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems
for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >>> people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >>> clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >>> yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed
that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, >>> so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population >>>from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees
which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
suspect they are looking for a lot more than that out of these
"volunters" (or temporary employees).
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On 2026-02-22 5:22 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
On Feb 22, 2026 at 2:17:27 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>I remember hearing a British commentator saying that he was pretty sure
wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems
for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking
people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >>>> clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >>>> yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have >>>> to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and >>>> vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed >>>> that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be >>>> able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID,
so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population >>>> from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees >>> which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific
government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in
California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved >>> with voter ID.
Sure it can. Under a voter ID requirement, you'd be required to provide your
driver license number on your mail-in ballot, which will then be
cross-checked
before the ballot is counted.
A ballot harvester who's filling out blank ballots will be highly unlikely >> to
also have a list of dozens or hundreds of people whose names to fill them >> out
under *and* their DL numbers to go with it.
that mail-in ballots from Muslim households were mostly being filled in
by the man of the house; he strongly suspected that the voting-age women were either told who to vote for or the man simply filled in all their
forms on their behalf, probably without even asking them. That should outrage at least all the feminists. It seems like a good argument for minimizing mail-in voting so that women have to vote in person and can
then vote for whoever they like.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Feb 22, 2026 at 2:17:27 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. . . .
. . .
You need specific ID to register to vote and to be found on specific
government databases. The rest of the United States doesn't engage in
California's potential ballot fraud problem which still cannot be solved >>> with voter ID.
Sure it can. Under a voter ID requirement, you'd be required to provide
your driver license number on your mail-in ballot, which will then be
cross-checked before the ballot is counted.
"provide your driver license number on your mail-in ballot"
No. Ballots MUST NOT have distinguing marks to mitigate against vote buying and for privacy.
In my state, we put the DL number or the SSN's four most significant
digits on the application for a mail-in ballot. This is then matched
against the voter registration database that had been matched against the state database of these name/number combinations required under federal
law, Motor Voter. The voted ballot must be returned in an envelope
that effectively serves as a second application and affidavit which is required under specific circumstances. The ballot remains unvoted till
after polls close to make sure the voter didn't vote in person. Only then
is the envelope opened and the vote cast.
This is far more secure than other states that cast mail-in ballots
before polls close to appease the news media that gets hysterical when
all close elections cannot be called shortly after polls close.
A ballot harvester who's filling out blank ballots will be highly unlikely >> to also have a list of dozens or hundreds of people whose names to fill
them out under *and* their DL numbers to go with it.
There's 100% chance of success in preventing fraud of this nature by
amending your election code to end distribution of ballots blanks unless applied for. You're the one who convinced me how bad this law was when
you first brought it to my attention.
Why are you arguing that this law invitiing fraud can be salvaged?
On 2026-02-22 5:17 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:It's a boy's job if it is just shovelling a couple of driveways. I
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems
for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking
people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >>> clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department
specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >>> yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have
to show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of
yourself. You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and
vote? Nope, you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed >>> that requiring ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be
able to participate because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, >>> so not only is Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population
from even being able to shovel snow for him.
Where do you get that these are volunteers? They are per diem employees
which means New York must ask them to comply with both federal tax law
and immigration law. They aren't paying illegal aliens to shovel.
The stupid crap is minimum age 18. This is a boy's job.
suspect they are looking for a lot more than that out of these
"volunters" (or temporary employees).
By the way, I had a guy come up to me a couple of weeks ago offering to
do my shovelling and he was way past being a kid; he was at least in his 30s. I think he said $40 but I took a pass. One time, when I had a major accumulation on the end of my driveway and was overwhelmed, I actually
went to Yelp and looked for shovelling services. I only got one offer
and he wanted $200 (!!!). I told him he was out of his mind; he claimed
it was a typo and he meant $100. That was still too much in my opinion
so I did it myself by hand. It was a LOT of work but I got through it
with "elephant tactics" (how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a
time!). My driveway is just the standard one car-width wide and I was
only talking about the bit from the sidewalk to the road which is your normal suburban distance but the ploughs had pushed a LOT of snow in there!
Feb 22, 2026 at 2:53:09 PM PST, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:
. . .
I remember hearing a British commentator saying that he was pretty sure >>that mail-in ballots from Muslim households were mostly being filled in
by the man of the house; he strongly suspected that the voting-age women >>were either told who to vote for or the man simply filled in all their >>forms on their behalf, probably without even asking them. That should >>outrage at least all the feminists. It seems like a good argument for >>minimizing mail-in voting so that women have to vote in person and can >>then vote for whoever they like.
This was brought up in California when they proposed making mail voting >permanent after the Wuhan Flu. Not only did the Democrat politicians
not care about abused women being disenfranchised by their husbands and >boyfriends, the women's rights groups were also strangely silent about
it. When it comes to Democrats winning elections, apparently all other >concerns go by the wayside.
. . .
One time, I walked outside every day during the winter and it was 75 degrees >and sunny. Then I got in my car and drove away without having to shovel >anything.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
One time, I walked outside every day during the winter and it was 75 degrees >> and sunny. Then I got in my car and drove away without having to shovel
anything.
It's amusing when you try to convince us that California has its good
points. I think there are two of you, a la "The Enemy Within".
On Feb 22, 2026 at 3:25:32 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
. . .
One time, I walked outside every day during the winter and it was 75 degrees >>>and sunny. Then I got in my car and drove away without having to shovel >>>anything.
It's amusing when you try to convince us that California has its good >>points. I think there are two of you, a la "The Enemy Within".
The natural environment of California is beautiful. It's the most
pleasant and aesthetically pleasing place I've ever lived. It's just
that the people who run it are certifiably insane that's the problem.
Seems as though Comrade Mamdani is taking a lot of crap from his fellow Dems >for requiring five forms of ID to become a city snow shoveler.
He did so poorly clearing the snow from the last storm that he's now asking >people to sign up and volunteer do the shoveling after the upcoming storm >clears. Imagine that. Paying all those taxes for a city department >specifically to clear snow, only to have the government beg you to do it >yourself because they ran out of money.
And to participate in this volunteer snow shoveling program, you have to >show two forms of ID, a Social Security card, and two pictures of yourself. >You need all that to shovel snow in NYC, but to walk in and vote? Nope,
you don't need any of that. And I've been reliably informed that requiring >ID is racist and that blacks and married women won't be able to participate >because they're too thick to figure out how to get ID, so not only is >Mamdani a racist, he's shutting out half the population from even being
able to shovel snow for him.
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