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  • Re: Puerto Rico criminal code now defines human life as beginning at fertilization

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Feb 23 18:32:33 2026
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    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 04:58:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    Human life with live birth was being practical. Common law was not
    implementing religious belief about when
    the soul enters.

    Who said anything about souls?

    It certainly doesn't in any probate law I know of.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Feb 23 18:34:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 20:53:10 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    In my state, Good Friday had been a public holiday in law till a state
    judge ruled it to be an Establishment violation.

    Since when is a state bound by what holidays it can and cannot
    designate?
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Feb 23 18:41:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 18:17:43 -0500, shawn
    <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    I fully agree life begins at conception. Nah, life begins when the
    eggs and sperm first come to life. That said, just because those bits
    are alive doesn't make them human. They certainly aren't viable
    outside their protective environment at that point. So when does it
    become human for me? I'm not sure as it's always going to be a moving
    target if we base it on when the fetus becomes viable outside the womb
    simply because modern medicine changes over the years.

    So if and when future technology makes conception possible in a test
    tube and carried to birth in a glass container are the resulting babes considered fully human? (Alternately if a human fetus is carried to
    birth in an animal womb what is the critter and if you looked at these
    could you tell how each was gestated? (Note: in all 3 of these cases
    we're discussing human DNA)

    (I'm basically thinking the Strange New Worlds scenario - while
    admitting it's been more than 2 decades since I read the book)

    Another scenario is whether a child cloned from hair or other body
    parts of a dead child - does he she gain inheritance rights from one's biological parents? And if so, does the knowledge by the biological
    parents (i.e. whether junior is growing in a flask somewhere) affect
    the legal outcome?
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Feb 24 03:18:23 2026
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    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    Sun, 15 Feb 2026 20:53:10 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

    In my state, Good Friday had been a public holiday in law till a state >>judge ruled it to be an Establishment violation.

    Since when is a state bound by what holidays it can and cannot
    designate?

    SECTION 3. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

    The free exercise and enjoyment of religious
    profession and worship, without discrimination,
    shall forever be guaranteed, and no person shall be
    denied any civil or political right, privilege or
    capacity, on account of his religious opinions;
    but the liberty of conscience hereby secured
    shall not be construed to dispense with oaths or
    affirmations, excuse acts of licentiousness, or
    justify practices inconsistent with the peace
    or safety of the State. No person shall be
    required to attend or support any ministry or
    place of worship against his consent, nor shall
    any preference be given by law to any religious
    denomination or mode of worship.

    (Source: Illinois Constitution.)

    That's stronger language than in the federal constitution.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Feb 24 08:55:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    Sun, 15 Feb 2026 04:58:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:

    Human life with live birth was being practical. Common law was not >>>implementing religious belief about when
    the soul enters.

    Who said anything about souls?

    It certainly doesn't in any probate law I know of.

    I said the opposite!

    A criminal law that defines human life to begin at conception and not
    live birth is an unconstitutional establishment. BTR1701 and numerous
    federal courts say I am wrong.
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