Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
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The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and >Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
(1) Sufficient Occupation
(2) Continuity
(3) Exclusivity
Effect on Private Property:
This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over >lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown >grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority >(violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies), >constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow >and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.
These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do >so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens >fee simple interests.
[In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]
For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the >claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain >valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through >negotiation or further litigation.
Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains >incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or >justification).\
[Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]
Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser >status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate >defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".
[In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have >to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what >we're going to do.]
Effect on Public Property:
Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre >airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port >Authority were ceded back to the tribe.
The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may >face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of >deeds.--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling >by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when >the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging >malfeasance by the government.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
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The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada
(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved
aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >> and
Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Jan 6, 2026 at 9:29:05 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >>>as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
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The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia >>>(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Jan 6, 2026 at 9:29:05 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia
(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous
'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >> were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.
It's odd that those uttering the land acknowledgments are not the same
people as those facing loss of land.
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and
Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
(1) Sufficient Occupation
(2) Continuity
(3) Exclusivity
Effect on Private Property:
This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority (violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies), constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow
and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.
These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens fee simple interests.
[In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]
For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through negotiation or further litigation.
Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or justification).\
[Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]
Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".
[In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what we're going to do.]
Effect on Public Property:
Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority were ceded back to the tribe.
The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of deeds.
Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling
by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when
the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging malfeasance by the government.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada
(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved
aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and
Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Land title was a fiction from English law. There was no native title to extinguish because they had no land tenure system.--
(1) Sufficient Occupation
(2) Continuity
(3) Exclusivity
How many centuries of taxes did they forget to pay? That's the duty of
the land owner. Fork it over.
Effect on Private Property:
This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over >> lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown >> grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority
(violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies),
constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow
and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.
These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do >> so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens >> fee simple interests.
[In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]
I've never heard of a senior right burden on fee simple. The banks will
have to foreclose on the Indians.
For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the >> claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain >> valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through
negotiation or further litigation.
Ah. There is no justice, just endless work for lawyers.
Can the Indians now be sued for land and water pollution and other
nuisances?
Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains
incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or
justification).\
[Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]
Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser >> status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate
defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".
It's moviePig law!
[In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have
to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what >> we're going to do.]
Effect on Public Property:
Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >> undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >> for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre
airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port
Authority were ceded back to the tribe.
Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
build?
The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may >> face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of >> deeds.
Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling
by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when
the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging
malfeasance by the government.
On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >>>as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia >>>(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2. . .
On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >>> and
Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
-------------------------
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia
(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.
I thought the Britons were earlier than the Celts, and the Saxons came
later. Were there Neanderthals? I thought they weren't Europe-wide but in Germany.
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >>> and
Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):
Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
France to the Gauls.
Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.
Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >>'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >>were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.
It's odd that those uttering the land acknowledgments are not the same
people as those facing loss of land.
Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The >>problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.
I thought the Britons were earlier than the Celts, and the Saxons came
later. Were there Neanderthals? I thought they weren't Europe-wide but in >Germany.
But we're venturing into pedantry here. The point I was trying to make
is that as soon as we try to "undo" some part of history to reverse some
bad thing, we have to ask ourselves how far back we want to go because >injustices have happened throughout history. For instance, Kalingrad
used to be the German city of Konigsberg until 1945 when the Red Army >conquered it and annexed it to the Soviet Union. With the liberation of >Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia that coincided with the end of the Soviet >Union, it suddenly found itself an exclave of Russia with no land >connection. During the German Reunification talks in 1990, there was
On 2026-01-06 11:01 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:That is true - most of southern Ontario is the subject of one Native
Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...
Goat has a much bigger problem then I do. The tribes there have so many >claims in BC that literally well over 100% of BC is contested! Yes, I
said "literally" and I meant it. The tribes have OVERLAPPING land claims
so the amount of claimed land exceeds 100%.
It is my understanding (i.e. not verified with a lawyer) that my area
WAS legally purchased from the local tribes so I should be fine.
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