• Canadian Court: "Indigenous" People Have a Claim on the Homes of Canadian Citizens

    From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 04:01:43 2026
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    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
    as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    (1) Sufficient Occupation

    (2) Continuity

    (3) Exclusivity

    Effect on Private Property:

    This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority (violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies), constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.

    These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do
    so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens fee simple interests.

    [In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]

    For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through negotiation or further litigation.

    Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or justification).\

    [Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]

    Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".

    [In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what we're going to do.]

    Effect on Public Property:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended
    for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port
    Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may
    face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of deeds.

    Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging malfeasance by the government.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 05:29:05 2026
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and >Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Land title was a fiction from English law. There was no native title to extinguish because they had no land tenure system.

    (1) Sufficient Occupation

    (2) Continuity

    (3) Exclusivity

    How many centuries of taxes did they forget to pay? That's the duty of
    the land owner. Fork it over.

    Effect on Private Property:

    This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over >lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown >grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority >(violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies), >constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow >and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.

    These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do >so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens >fee simple interests.

    [In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]

    I've never heard of a senior right burden on fee simple. The banks will
    have to foreclose on the Indians.

    For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the >claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain >valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through >negotiation or further litigation.

    Ah. There is no justice, just endless work for lawyers.

    Can the Indians now be sued for land and water pollution and other
    nuisances?

    Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains >incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or >justification).\

    [Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]

    Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser >status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate >defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".

    It's moviePig law!

    [In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have >to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what >we're going to do.]

    Effect on Public Property:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre >airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port >Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may >face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of >deeds.

    Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling >by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when >the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging >malfeasance by the government.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 17:18:39 2026
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    On Jan 6, 2026 at 9:29:05 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada
    (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved
    aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >> and
    Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous
    'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 17:36:44 2026
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 6, 2026 at 9:29:05 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >>>as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------

    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia >>>(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.

    It's odd that those uttering the land acknowledgments are not the same
    people as those facing loss of land.
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 12:41:54 2026
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    On 2026-01-07 12:36 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jan 6, 2026 at 9:29:05 PM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
    as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------

    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia
    (1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous
    'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >> were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.

    It's odd that those uttering the land acknowledgments are not the same
    people as those facing loss of land.

    "Odd"? I would have said "inevitable": the Marxists are all about taking
    other people's property and "giving it to the people" (usually meaning themselves).
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 12:50:17 2026
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    On 2026-01-06 11:01 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    Goat has a much bigger problem then I do. The tribes there have so many
    claims in BC that literally well over 100% of BC is contested! Yes, I
    said "literally" and I meant it. The tribes have OVERLAPPING land claims
    so the amount of claimed land exceeds 100%.

    It is my understanding (i.e. not verified with a lawyer) that my area
    WAS legally purchased from the local tribes so I should be fine.

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and
    Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    (1) Sufficient Occupation

    (2) Continuity

    (3) Exclusivity

    Effect on Private Property:

    This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority (violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies), constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow
    and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.

    These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens fee simple interests.

    [In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]

    For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through negotiation or further litigation.

    Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or justification).\

    [Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]

    Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".

    [In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what we're going to do.]

    Effect on Public Property:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of deeds.

    Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling
    by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when
    the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging malfeasance by the government.



    This is what comes of living in a province with "progressive" leaders
    and activist judges who legislate from the bench. BC is presently a very
    blue state in American terms but the premier only hung on by a thread at
    the last election so I'm hopeful he will be gone next time around. Goat
    will have a far better idea than me on whether that's realistic but BC
    has long swung like a pendulum between the socialists and the small 'c' conservatives. I think they're due to swing back very soon now. Whether
    a change in leadership can reverse this decision is a much different
    question though.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 12:53:11 2026
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    On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada
    (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved
    aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) and
    Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
    problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.


    Land title was a fiction from English law. There was no native title to extinguish because they had no land tenure system.

    (1) Sufficient Occupation

    (2) Continuity

    (3) Exclusivity

    How many centuries of taxes did they forget to pay? That's the duty of
    the land owner. Fork it over.

    Effect on Private Property:

    This was the first Canadian court decision to declare aboriginal title over >> lands including fee simple (private) ownership. The court ruled that Crown >> grants and vestings were issued without statutory or constitutional authority
    (violating Article 13 of BC's Terms of Union and reserve policies),
    constituting unjustifiable infringements on aboriginal title under the Sparrow
    and Tsilhqot'in frameworks.

    These grants did not extinguish title, as provinces lack jurisdiction to do >> so; instead, aboriginal title coexists as a prior, senior right that burdens >> fee simple interests.

    [In other words, good luck ever selling your house.]

    I've never heard of a senior right burden on fee simple. The banks will
    have to foreclose on the Indians.

    For developed and private lands (about 125 privately held properties in the >> claim area): Fee simple titles held by third parties (private owners) remain >> valid and indefeasible under the Land Title Act until reconciled through
    negotiation or further litigation.

    Ah. There is no justice, just endless work for lawyers.

    Can the Indians now be sued for land and water pollution and other
    nuisances?

    Owners can continue using their property but aboriginal title constrains
    incompatible uses (e.g., no new developments without consent or
    justification).\

    [Gee, thanks, judge for your permission to continue to live in my own house.]

    Legal defenses such as limitations periods, laches, and bona fide purchaser >> status were rejected by the court, despite being both relevant and legitimate
    defenses, in order to "prioritize reconciliation".

    It's moviePig law!

    [In other words, appeasing the Indians is what's important here so if we have
    to ignore the law to keep you white people from prevailing here, that's what >> we're going to do.]

    Effect on Public Property:

    Titles held by Canada (mostly industrial) and the City of Richmond (mostly >> undeveloped) were declared defective and invalid, with the ruling suspended >> for 18 months to allow transfer back to the Cowichan Tribes (except a 12-acre
    airport fuel depot). All lands belonging to the Vancouver Fraser Port
    Authority were ceded back to the tribe.

    Wow. The artificial land too that the Indians had the technology to
    build?

    The ruling creates uncertainty for private landowners in Richmond, who may >> face clouded titles but not immediate eviction from their homes or loss of >> deeds.

    Affected homeowners were not formally notified during the trial (a 2017 ruling
    by the judge deemed it necessary to avoid hostility), leading to surprise when
    the verdict was handed down and a proposed class-action lawsuit alleging
    malfeasance by the government.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 18:04:17 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >>>as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------

    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>(Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia >>>(1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
    problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.

    I thought the Britons were earlier than the Celts, and the Saxons came
    later. Were there Neanderthals? I thought they weren't Europe-wide but in Germany.

    . . .
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 18:11:23 2026
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    On Jan 7, 2026 at 9:53:11 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
    as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------
    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >>> and
    Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
    problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.

    It's not really all that hard a problem: You go back just far enough to
    justify special treatment for 'marginalized peoples' and then you stop before you start scooping up white people into your social justice scheme.

    For example, all the African-American nonsense. I mean, we're *all* African-Americans if you go back far enough. The trick is to only go back so far that you include black people in the category but not so far that white people are included also.


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Jan 7 15:00:28 2026
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    On 2026-01-07 1:04 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-01-07 12:29 a.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching
    as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    -------------------------

    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia
    (1997) and Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The
    problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.

    I thought the Britons were earlier than the Celts, and the Saxons came
    later. Were there Neanderthals? I thought they weren't Europe-wide but in Germany.


    My interest in history is focused on the 20th century and I don't know
    that much about early Britain so you may be right. As for Neanderthals,
    I vaguely recall that term is an anglicization reflecting the fact that
    the first bones deemed "Neanderthal" were found in the valley
    surrounding the Neander river ("thal" means "valley) which is indeed in
    modern Germany.

    But we're venturing into pedantry here. The point I was trying to make
    is that as soon as we try to "undo" some part of history to reverse some
    bad thing, we have to ask ourselves how far back we want to go because injustices have happened throughout history. For instance, Kalingrad
    used to be the German city of Konigsberg until 1945 when the Red Army conquered it and annexed it to the Soviet Union. With the liberation of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia that coincided with the end of the Soviet
    Union, it suddenly found itself an exclave of Russia with no land
    connection. During the German Reunification talks in 1990, there was discussion about restoring it to Germany but Germany declined and
    neither Lithuania nor Poland particularly wanted it so it was left a
    Russian exclave. But as Russia weakens ever further, various analysts
    wonder if Kalingrad (which was completely Russified when the Germans
    within it were murdered or driven out) should go back to Germany or
    merge with Lithuania or Poland. But this would effectively undo at least
    some of what emerged from WWII. If you're going to undo part of the
    result of WWII, why not go further and undo other parts? Stalin kept the
    part of Poland that he seized when he and Hitler each attacked it in
    1939 after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was sign and split it between
    Belarus and Ukraine; he "compensated" Poland by giving them a big slice
    of Germany that had never been German. It could be argued that this
    slice should be given back to Germany and that former Polish territory
    should be given back to Poland. This would likely not go down well in
    Belarus or Ukraine, let alone Russia. But why stop there? Why not
    restore the Austro-Hungarian Empire to its borders before WWI? That
    would change Europe quite a bit but answer long-standing complaints from several countries about pieces that they lost in the settlement of WWI.
    And if we accept the principle of undoing history to reverse injustices,
    why not restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or the Holy Roman
    Empire? Or indeed, the Roman Empire?

    It seems to me that the ONLY rational thing is to accept the history
    that has happened. We can't undo any aspect of it without causing
    massive harm to people in the here and now. The best we can do is to
    learn from our mistakes and try to avoid making them again in the
    future. That means leaving the borders of Europe alone and also leaving property ownership were it is too. Otherwise, every call to undo past
    wrongs is just going to lead to calls to undo earlier wrongs WITHOUT LIMIT.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:06:25 2026
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    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 04:01:43 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    Given there are roughly 50000 people between me and the nearest
    reserve that would be doubtful.

    On the other hand, the location of the family business is about 6
    blocks from a reserve so could potentially be in play. Given it's a
    long term lease, even if they gained ownership of the land that
    wouldn't abrogate the lease only who the rent had to be paid to. Which
    given it's a 5 year lease...
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:15:37 2026
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    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 17:18:39 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    The British Columbia Supreme Court decision in Cowichan Tribes v. Canada >>> (Attorney General), 2025 BCSC 1490 found that the Cowichan Tribes proved >>> aboriginal title under the test from Delgamuukw v. British Columbia (1997) >>> and
    Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia (2014):

    Cool. For our next trick, Great Britain goes back to the Britons and
    France to the Gauls.

    Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.

    Given the area in question is about 20 miles from my home you can
    reasonably assume the case has gotten a LOT of press coverage. It's
    complicated by the fact that the Cowichan "nation" is across the
    Straits of Georgia on Vancouver Island which is roughly 25 miles of
    salt water away. As with most of Vancouver and its suburbs there are 3
    other 'nations' claiming the same territory on this side of the water.
    These 3 have overlapping claims and have a joint company for
    redevelopment of their properties - they're currently building a
    complex (a former military base now decommissioned) which will be
    5000+ apartment units when completed - but are demanding the City of
    Vancouver build them access roads which is problematic since the said
    routes go through the middle of city parks.

    Let's just say a lot of Vancouver people consider "Delgamuukw" (the
    plaintiff in the landmark road) a dirty word.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:18:55 2026
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    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 17:36:44 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Well, I don't know what they expected to happen with all these ridiculous >>'land acknowledgements' they insist on doing. One of these days the Indians >>were going to take it seriously and say, okay, then give it all back.

    It's odd that those uttering the land acknowledgments are not the same
    people as those facing loss of land.

    As individuals no - but CERTAINLY these land acknowledgments are now
    routinely made by municipal governments
    (You can see an example on the cover page or page 1 of any of the City
    Council agendas at https://www.dnv.org/government-administration/meeting-agendas-and-minutes) (which happens to be the page for the Council meeting I'm watching via
    Zoom as I read this)
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:23:21 2026
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    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 18:04:17 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Ah, but which Britons? The Saxons? The Celts? The Neanderthals? The >>problem with undoing history is deciding how far to go back.

    I thought the Britons were earlier than the Celts, and the Saxons came
    later. Were there Neanderthals? I thought they weren't Europe-wide but in >Germany.

    Bear in mind that from the end of the last ice age to about 6000-8000
    BC there was a land bridge between what is now eastern England and
    Belgium / The Netherlands which made human settlement rather easier...

    (No such land bridge existed between England/Scotland and Ireland)

    And habitation on continental Europe by Homo Sapiens is known to have
    existed more than 20000-25000 years before present.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:28:53 2026
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    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 15:00:28 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    But we're venturing into pedantry here. The point I was trying to make
    is that as soon as we try to "undo" some part of history to reverse some
    bad thing, we have to ask ourselves how far back we want to go because >injustices have happened throughout history. For instance, Kalingrad
    used to be the German city of Konigsberg until 1945 when the Red Army >conquered it and annexed it to the Soviet Union. With the liberation of >Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia that coincided with the end of the Soviet >Union, it suddenly found itself an exclave of Russia with no land >connection. During the German Reunification talks in 1990, there was

    It's actually Kaliningrad (Kalinin being a Russian Communist in the Lenin/Stalin era) and was known when it was owned by Germany as
    "Koenigsberg". There is a famous mathematical theorem (it forms the
    basis of topology) called "the Seven Bridges of Koenigsberg.

    The problem was whether the seven bridges could be crossed from one
    part of Koenigsberg without crossing any bridge twice - Euler proved
    that it could not.

    The Red Army in 1945 "solved" the problem by destroying one of the
    bridge in an artillery barrage as part of their seizure of the city.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=seven+bridges+of+k%C3%B6nigsberg&oq=SEVEN+BRIDGES+OF+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIHCAkQABiABNIBCDQ4OTVqMGo5qAIFsAIB8QVH55cwoMeUuQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Jan 12 20:36:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 12:50:17 -0500, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-01-06 11:01 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    Here's hoping Rhino or Goat don't find themselves out on the street watching >> as an Indian tribe takes over their homes...

    Goat has a much bigger problem then I do. The tribes there have so many >claims in BC that literally well over 100% of BC is contested! Yes, I
    said "literally" and I meant it. The tribes have OVERLAPPING land claims
    so the amount of claimed land exceeds 100%.

    It is my understanding (i.e. not verified with a lawyer) that my area
    WAS legally purchased from the local tribes so I should be fine.

    That is true - most of southern Ontario is the subject of one Native
    treaty or another well before the 20th century. (I learned all about
    that when I was at McMaster in the 1980s - the chief known as Joseph
    Brant was a major 'player' and took part in the War of 1812)

    British Columbia (which is marginally larger than Ontario in land
    area) had less than a dozen treaties before 1900 (mostly on Vancouver
    Island) and many areas are claimed by multiple tribes which is the
    overlapping Rhino is talking about. Most of Greater Vancouver is
    claimed by the Squamish, T'sleil-wa-Tuth and Musqueum tribes which I
    think is what Rhino was talking about.

    Most of the Indian reserves around here are close to the shoreline,
    whereas I live in the mountain foothills further from the shoreline.
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