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rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds,
but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of
them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is
full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not as
part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their mission
to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into the
public domain which might create doubt.rCY

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which has been
lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant and
implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense climate
warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or cut short
by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for them.rCY

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do
not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

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On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a- global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds,
but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of
them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is
full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their mission
to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into the
public domain which might create doubt.rCY

It is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you to the
obvious evidence.
There is no valid contrary evidence. No matter what your wallet is tellling you.

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which has been
lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant and implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or cut short
by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for them.rCY

The world has not moved on. Check your weather reports. The ocean is being heated which will reduce the world's food supply. The world news is presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are moving North. The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount
of precipitation from the over-heated oceans. The Climate crisis is cutting lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more. People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do
not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

That is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter.

bliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when
the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.
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On 3/2/2026 2:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-
global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds,
but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of
them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is
full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not
as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their
mission to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into
the public domain which might create doubt.rCY

-a-a-a-aIt is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you to the
obvious evidence.
-a-a-a-aThere is no valid contrary evidence.-a No matter what your wallet is tellling you.

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a
priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which
has been lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant
and implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense
climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or
cut short by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for
them.rCY

-a-a-a-aThe world has not moved on.-a Check your weather reports. The ocean is
being heated which will reduce the world's food supply.-a The world news is presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are moving North.-a The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount
of precipitation from the over-heated oceans.-a The Climate crisis is cutting
lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more. People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do
not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

-a-a-a-aThat is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter.

-a-a-a-abliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Lynn

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/2/2026 2:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-
global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds, >>> but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of
them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is
full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not
as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their
mission to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into
the public domain which might create doubt.rCY

-a-a-a-aIt is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you
to the
obvious evidence.
-a-a-a-aThere is no valid contrary evidence.-a No matter what your wallet is
tellling you.

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a
priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which
has been lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant
and implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense
climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or
cut short by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for
them.rCY

-a-a-a-aThe world has not moved on.-a Check your weather reports. The ocean is
being heated which will reduce the world's food supply.-a The world news is >> presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are
moving North.-a The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount
of precipitation from the over-heated oceans.-a The Climate crisis is
cutting
lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more.
People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as >> floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do
not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

-a-a-a-aThat is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest >> scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter.

-a-a-a-abliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when >> the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Both parts of that statement are false.

There are not "billions" of dollars spent annually on climate models.

The money that is spent to model the climate is not at all useless,
as the same models are used in weather forecasting, which has saved
many hundreds of billions over the last century in losses.

Stop getting your information from crackpots like Anthony Watts
(failed TV weather reader college dropout).
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On 3/2/2026 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/2/2026 2:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-
global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds, >>>> but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of
them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is
full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not
as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their
mission to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into >>>> the public domain which might create doubt.rCY

-a-a-a-aIt is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you
to the
obvious evidence.
-a-a-a-aThere is no valid contrary evidence.-a No matter what your wallet is
tellling you.

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a
priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which
has been lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant >>>> and implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense
climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or
cut short by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for
them.rCY

-a-a-a-aThe world has not moved on.-a Check your weather reports. The ocean is
being heated which will reduce the world's food supply.-a The world news is >>> presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are >>> moving North.-a The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount >>> of precipitation from the over-heated oceans.-a The Climate crisis is
cutting
lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more. >>> People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as >>> floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do >>>> not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

-a-a-a-aThat is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest >>> scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter. >>>
-a-a-a-abliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when
the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Both parts of that statement are false.

There are not "billions" of dollars spent annually on climate models.

The money that is spent to model the climate is not at all useless,
as the same models are used in weather forecasting, which has saved
many hundreds of billions over the last century in losses.

Stop getting your information from crackpots like Anthony Watts
(failed TV weather reader college dropout).

These fake climate models were directly stated in the DOGE report.
Prove me wrong.

Lynn

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/2/2026 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/2/2026 2:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

rCLClimate Scientists Demand rCLA Global AssessmentrCY of RisksrCY

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-
global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

rCLItrCOs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.rCY

rCLBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds, >>>>> but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of >>>>> them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is >>>>> full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not >>>>> as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their
mission to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into >>>>> the public domain which might create doubt.rCY

-a-a-a-aIt is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you
to the
obvious evidence.
-a-a-a-aThere is no valid contrary evidence.-a No matter what your wallet is
tellling you.

rCLNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a
priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which >>>>> has been lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant >>>>> and implausible. If it wasnrCOt for all the damage their nonsense
climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or >>>>> cut short by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for
them.rCY

-a-a-a-aThe world has not moved on.-a Check your weather reports. The ocean is
being heated which will reduce the world's food supply.-a The world news is
presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are >>>> moving North.-a The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount >>>> of precipitation from the over-heated oceans.-a The Climate crisis is
cutting
lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more. >>>> People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as >>>> floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do >>>>> not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

-a-a-a-aThat is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest >>>> scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter. >>>>
-a-a-a-abliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when
the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Both parts of that statement are false.

There are not "billions" of dollars spent annually on climate models.

The money that is spent to model the climate is not at all useless,
as the same models are used in weather forecasting, which has saved
many hundreds of billions over the last century in losses.

Stop getting your information from crackpots like Anthony Watts
(failed TV weather reader college dropout).

These fake climate models were directly stated in the DOGE report.
Prove me wrong.

Please provide citation for your assertion.

DOGE was a political exercise, a waste of money and time
just to make Steve Bannon happy. Here's an example of their
stellar intelligence:

"On March 4, the GSA published a list of 443 properties
to be sold, including headquarters, courthouses, and 47 SSA
offices.[351][352] That list was edited the same day to remove
about 120 properties and then taken off the GSA website the
next day.[353] The public list included a previously undisclosed
"highly sensitive federal complex in Springfield, Virginia" where
the CIA conducts clandestine operations.[354]

Incompetent political hacks, to be sure. With no scientific expertise
to make any judgments on any type of modeling, must less climate
modeling.
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 16:30:41 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/2/2026 3:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 3/2/2026 2:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 3/2/26 12:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

oClimate Scientists Demand oA Global Assessmento of Riskso

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/01/climate-scientists-demand-a-
global-assessment-of-climate-risks/

oItAs kind of sad seeing scientists in this situation.o

oBefore I read the Climategate emails, I thought they were all frauds, >>>>> but after reading Climategate I came to realise many, possibly all of >>>>> them actually believe the nonsense they are peddling. Climategate is >>>>> full of activist scientists acting to suppress contrary evidence, not >>>>> as part of a conspiracy to deceive, but because they believe their
mission to save the world is so important, nothing can be allowed into >>>>> the public domain which might create doubt.o

aaaaIt is not nonsense and your own financial interest are blinding you >>>> to the
obvious evidence.
aaaaThere is no valid contrary evidence.a No matter what your wallet is >>>> tellling you.

oNow the world has moved on, and climate action is no longer a
priority, climate scientists are still trying to fight a battle which >>>>> has been lost, a cause which other people increasingly find irrelevant >>>>> and implausible. If it wasnAt for all the damage their nonsense
climate warnings did to the world economy, all the lives blighted or >>>>> cut short by soaring energy prices, I would feel a little sorry for
them.o

aaaaThe world has not moved on.a Check your weather reports. The ocean is
being heated which will reduce the world's food supply.a The world news is >>>> presently preoccupied by the Epstein-Trump war on Iran and Venezuala.
But that will pass as climate driven refugees from the Tropical areas are >>>> moving North.a The North has its own problems with extraordinary amount >>>> of precipitation from the over-heated oceans.a The Climate crisis is
cutting
lives short and uncontrolled use of coal and oil products will kill more. >>>> People in low lying nations and on islands are losing their livelihoods as >>>> floods occupy more and more of their farm lands and ocean heating
destroys the fish populations on which they depend.

Raise your own $30 billion for a years worth of climate models that do >>>>> not work, you ass hats.

Lynn

aaaaThat is really a stupid way to refer to the dedicated and honest >>>> scientists
unfunded by the Fossil Fuel industry's directions to Trump. the grifter. >>>>
aaaabliss- who is old enough that I am very unlikely to be around when >>>> the curtain falls on this wasteful civilization.

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Both parts of that statement are false.

There are not "billions" of dollars spent annually on climate models.

The money that is spent to model the climate is not at all useless,
as the same models are used in weather forecasting, which has saved
many hundreds of billions over the last century in losses.

Stop getting your information from crackpots like Anthony Watts
(failed TV weather reader college dropout).

These fake climate models were directly stated in the DOGE report.
Prove me wrong.

DOGE -- ha ha ha -- DOGE is a source of /nothing/, just an example of
the gap between MAGA ideology and the real world.
Heck, even Trump eventually figured that out.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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Scott Lurndal wrote:

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

The waste is the useless billions of dollars being spent on climate
models every year.

Both parts of that statement are false.

There are not "billions" of dollars spent annually on climate models.

Indeed. When I worked with a general circulation model in the early
80s, our total expenses consisted of six salaries, computer time, and
office space. I'm quite sure that at the time this was less than a
million a year. And there were only a handful of GCM groups at the
time, not that many now.

The cost of one fighter aircraft would have kept us going for years.

While the research done on GCMs is not always applicable to forecast
models, which work at higher resolution in space and time and have no
need to be stable beyond three weeks, some of it is. In my group new
physics relating to down-slope windstorms was introduced. These are
very damaging storms and a slight increase in the reliability of their prediction will save lives and huge amounts of money over the long term.

In fact, if there were no worries about imminent climate change we would
still be creating and working with these models, the better to
understand our world. As we do with other subjects.

For example, before moving to climate I was part of a small body of
workers who were trying to understand a tiny change in the energy states
of alkali metals under certain circumstances. We could measure this
change with some accuracy, so from a "practical" point of view we didn't
need a theoretical prediction of it. The point of the prediction was to
see if we understood what was going on in he electron clouds of these
metals. In the larger metals, we didn't.

And if that was a political issue I am sure Lynn's friends would
denounce the money spent on that, while exaggerating it a thousandfold.

Faraday's boss wanted him to spend his time working on the optical
properties of glasses, rather than fooling around with useless subjects
like electricity and magnetism. Imagine the wonderful glass-based
society we could have if he had only convinced Faraday to drop the
frivolity!

[I can't resist an irrelevant addendum. Grigori Levenfish was a chess grandmaster and scientist living in he USSR. In middle age he did not
want to continue to play chess competitively, but to continue his
scientific work. However, the authorities ordered him to play, as he
was the USSR's second (at least) strongest player. (Though they perhaps regretted their action when he drew a match he was supposed to lose
against their much younger "best" player.) His research? The
properties of glasses.]

William Hyde
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