• (Tears) The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    From jdnicoll@jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 14:10:41 2026
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    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/cold-equations
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 09:42:48 2026
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    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're
    really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld, naturally.

    I also liked the idea of selecting over generations for unusually lucky people.
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  • From jdnicoll@jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 15:26:02 2026
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    In article <MPG.440e1a789a2c751e989aff@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're >really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for >metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld, >naturally.

    I also liked the idea of selecting over generations for unusually lucky >people.


    A certain plot development in Engineers suggests the Luck gene wasn't
    that effective. Or if it was, it was Wu who had it.

    We're all descendants of animals that survived at least five great
    extinctions so if there was a luck gene, it should have been spread
    through the population.

    The Space Skimmer had an amusing twist on this: the royal family
    of Planet Twink are believed to have a luck gene but their luck
    is actually the manifestation of the population's belief that
    the royal family is lucky. So if the population gets it in their
    heads a prince is unlucky....
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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 11:05:28 2026
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    Verily, in article <10o1lqa$nn$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.440e1a789a2c751e989aff@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did >jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're >really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for >metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld, >naturally.

    I also liked the idea of selecting over generations for unusually lucky >people.


    A certain plot development in Engineers suggests the Luck gene wasn't
    that effective. Or if it was, it was Wu who had it.

    That was her sad discovery, wasn't it? The luck, whatever it might
    really be, had used her as a decoy to protect the other truly lucky
    ones. I've forgotten the characters' names at this point, but you know
    who I mean.

    This implies that we are luckier to remain larval. I suppose that's true
    as long as our society is based on and adapted for larvae. You'd think
    the Ringworld would be a great place for a new society of final-form
    humans, though.


    We're all descendants of animals that survived at least five great extinctions so if there was a luck gene, it should have been spread
    through the population.

    Perhaps it happened. We're all much more closely related than, say, white-tailed deer, which have much more genetic variety. Only the lucky
    ones survived the bottleneck events.


    The Space Skimmer had an amusing twist on this: the royal family
    of Planet Twink are believed to have a luck gene but their luck
    is actually the manifestation of the population's belief that
    the royal family is lucky. So if the population gets it in their
    heads a prince is unlucky....

    I haven't read that, but it sounds fun.
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  • From jdnicoll@jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 16:17:16 2026
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    In article <MPG.440e2dcffb863c54989b02@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10o1lqa$nn$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    In article <MPG.440e1a789a2c751e989aff@news.eternal-september.org>,
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're
    really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for
    metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld,
    naturally.

    I also liked the idea of selecting over generations for unusually lucky
    people.


    A certain plot development in Engineers suggests the Luck gene wasn't
    that effective. Or if it was, it was Wu who had it.

    That was her sad discovery, wasn't it? The luck, whatever it might
    really be, had used her as a decoy to protect the other truly lucky
    ones. I've forgotten the characters' names at this point, but you know
    who I mean.

    This implies that we are luckier to remain larval. I suppose that's true
    as long as our society is based on and adapted for larvae. You'd think
    the Ringworld would be a great place for a new society of final-form
    humans, though.


    We're all descendants of animals that survived at least five great
    extinctions so if there was a luck gene, it should have been spread
    through the population.

    Perhaps it happened. We're all much more closely related than, say, >white-tailed deer, which have much more genetic variety. Only the lucky
    ones survived the bottleneck events.


    The Space Skimmer had an amusing twist on this: the royal family
    of Planet Twink are believed to have a luck gene but their luck
    is actually the manifestation of the population's belief that
    the royal family is lucky. So if the population gets it in their
    heads a prince is unlucky....

    I haven't read that, but it sounds fun.

    It is a very early Gerrold and the plot turns out to depend on
    convincing men to embrace group therapy.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 20:13:28 2026
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    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld, naturally.

    That originally came from "Protector".

    The main problem with Ringworld was that a ring around a sun
    is unstable, as some easy perturbation calculations will show.
    A ring which does not revolve around a centrl object, like
    Banks' orbitals, does not have that problem.

    Another problem is the Ringworld material - it is so strong that
    it should just have shrugged off the asteroroids smashing into it
    from the outside.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Mar 1 13:57:47 2026
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    On 3/1/26 12:13, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Verily, in article <10o1hd1$h1i$1@reader2.panix.com>, did
    jdnicoll@panix.com deliver unto us this message:

    The Ringworld Engineers (Ringworld, volume 2) by Larry Niven

    The Ringworld is doomed! Doomed to subpar sequels!


    I recall enjoying that one, mostly for the mindblowing idea that we're
    really the larval form of our species but the correct conditions for
    metamorphosis don't exist on Earth. Turns out they do on the Ringworld,
    naturally.

    That originally came from "Protector".

    The main problem with Ringworld was that a ring around a sun
    is unstable, as some easy perturbation calculations will show.
    A ring which does not revolve around a centrl object, like
    Banks' orbitals, does not have that problem.

    Another problem is the Ringworld material - it is so strong that
    it should just have shrugged off the asteroroids smashing into it
    from the outside.

    So it would seem but recent we have been treated to the sight of
    ultra-high speed objects traveling through our Solar System and luckily not intersecting the orbitsof the Earth, Moon or any of our neighbors. One of
    these might be able to deform the marvelous material of the Ringworld.

    Yes the sequels are seldom as good as the original story. The marvelous
    material must be engineered at the subatomic level. Ringworldium is at the same level as Unobtanium, Vibranium and Kryptonite. Suspension of disbelief
    is required to use it even in stories.

    bliss
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Mar 2 03:11:10 2026
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    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 09:42:48 -0500, The True Melissa wrote:

    I also liked the idea of selecting over generations for unusually
    lucky people.

    Psi powers were considered a more serious topic for SF back then.
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  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Mar 2 08:49:27 2026
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    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:

    A certain plot development in Engineers suggests the Luck gene wasn't
    that effective. Or if it was, it was Wu who had it.

    Remember, in _Ringworld_ every time Nessus tried to recruit an
    $n$-generation lottery baby some unlikely set of circumstances caused
    him to never meet them. He ended up settling for Teela, an
    $n-1$-generation baby.
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    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
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