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On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.a Google switched the name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay
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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the name of >>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

As far as I know HH never traded slaves, or even sailed in tropical
waters, and he seems to have had a more enlightened attitude to the
native North Americans than was typical.

William Hyde
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On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the name of >>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of North America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away. That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

bliss

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 21:39:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.a Google switched the name of >>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

In California it is still the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away. That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

The Lost City of St Frank.
Like Atlantis, but different.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

And there will be a legend that it was created by Willie Brown and Diane Feinstein who were infant twins that were sent down from Sacramento in a rush boat, that it was the place where the computer was invented, and that
it was destroyed in a terrible earthquake in 1906 and nothing was left afterward. All that was left for posterity were the book "Trout Fishing In America" and the movie "The Maltese Falcon" to show us what the city was
like before the earthquake.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the name of >>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area. Very little
of SF is very far above current sea level. Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush. If sea levels rise enough to fill the
California interior, SF will be underwater.
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.
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On 12/14/25 10:26, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come. But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

And there will be a legend that it was created by Willie Brown and Diane Feinstein who were infant twins that were sent down from Sacramento in a rush boat, that it was the place where the computer was invented, and that
it was destroyed in a terrible earthquake in 1906 and nothing was left afterward. All that was left for posterity were the book "Trout Fishing In America" and the movie "The Maltese Falcon" to show us what the city was
like before the earthquake.
--scott

Ehhh... Maybe!

bliss
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On 12/14/25 11:28, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North >> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.-a Very little
of SF is very far above current sea level.-a Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.-a If sea levels rise enough to fill the California interior, SF will be underwater.

Actually San Francisco has multiple high points that will be the Islands
of San Francisco for a while. It may even retreat South along the high
points
of the Peninsula for a while. Eventually it will be overwhelmed and if foresight is
thought may retreat to the higher points of Northern California. The Peninsula
and the Golden Gate (which is not a bridge) will reappear after the next
ice age
and the Golden Gate will feature a spectacular waterfall thousands of feet
to the Pacific Ocean level. Athistic monastaries will preserve much
knowlege
of the fall of the Fire Wizards who brought disaster upon the world for
power and wealth by catering to the vast demands for convenience in
transport and inordinate luxury. Eventually the site of ancient San
Francisco
will be excavated and under many layers of silt wonderful works from
the time of the Fire Wizards will be revealed. Even the anchor points of
the ancient Golden Gate Bridge will be uncovered. Making or building
any form of the IC engine will be anathema.

The monasteries will never let the folly of the Fire Wizards be forgotten
hopefully.

bliss

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On 12/14/25 11:28, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North >> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.-a Very little
of SF is very far above current sea level.-a Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.-a If sea levels rise enough to fill the California interior, SF will be underwater.

I know a great deal about the history, famous and infamous of
San Francisco. I live about 5 blocks West of Union Square for the last
52 years and used to walk past the shoreline markers down on Market
at First right into my 70s. I have lived in San Francisco since 1967,
before that in Sacramento and West Sacramento, Broderick and Bryte
on the West side of the Sacramento River in Yolo County. Other points
in Northern California and rural Fallon, Nevada. Before that rural
Northen California. My parents fed the workers at the Shasta Dam
project and my mother met my Step-father working on a sandwich
line for the same project. Dad died when i was 2 1/3 years old and
he and mom are buried at the Presideo.

bliss - ancient of days and not so young at heart any longer.
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On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the name of >>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually they
to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now,
since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt
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On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North >> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

We do not yet have a Gulf of California and its coastline will be defined
in coming centuries. No one, not even I, can imagine the political
changes that
would result in the Gulf of Mexico being to the West of the Continent of
North America. The State of Texas is closer to your description of the oncoming
inundation which will engulf the Texas low lands. And Texas was once a
Mexican
province until stolen by the land pirates to have a land where black
chattel Slavery
would be protected forever.
That was part of the original constitution of the Republic of Texas before it
was joined to the rest of the USA. Juneteenth is the celebration by
darker skinned
people and their allies of the overthrow of that constitutional provision.
Without that California would not have enjoyed the long tenure of Willie
Brown.

bliss
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Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North >> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area.-a Very little
of SF is very far above current sea level.-a Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush.

I love that image. Very much Jack Vance or one of his successors.

But I do recall hearing when I was in SF that Union Square is higher
than much of Sacramento. Google seems to confirm this.

William Hyde





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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:

On 12/13/2025 9:39 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the name of >>>>> the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all
federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm
astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North >> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands of
San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually they >> to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

I don't know where you live but I live in the SF Bay Area. Very little
of SF is very far above current sea level. Much of downtown is
literally built on top of all the sailing ships that were abandoned in
port during the gold rush. If sea levels rise enough to fill the
California interior, SF will be underwater.

Mt. Davidson elevation is 935 feet. Even if the central/SJ valleys fill
(which they have done in the distant past), sea level
won't have raised high enough to submerge all of SF.

The average elevation of the City is 207 feet.

If you wait long enough, Long Beach will be immediately west of SF.
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Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where >>> all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now,
since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

We do not yet have a Gulf of California

Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.


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On 12/14/2025 4:14 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the
name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city
where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now,
since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

-a-a-a-aWe do not yet have a Gulf of California and its coastline will be defined
in coming centuries. No one, not even I, can imagine the political
changes that
would result in the Gulf of Mexico being to the West of the Continent of North America. The State of Texas is closer to your description of the oncoming
inundation which will engulf the Texas low lands. And Texas was once a Mexican
province until stolen by the land pirates to have a land where black
chattel Slavery
would be protected forever.
-a-a-a-aThat was part of the-a original constitution of the Republic of Texas before it
was joined to the rest of the USA.-a Juneteenth is the celebration by
darker skinned
people and their allies of the overthrow of that constitutional provision.
-a-a-a-aWithout that California would not have enjoyed the long tenure of Willie
Brown.

-a-a-a-abliss

The long bay between Baja California and the rest of Mexico is
currently named the 'Gulf of California'.

pt
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On 12/15/25 08:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.-a Google switched the >>>>>>> name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

-a-a-a-a-aIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.-a The Gulf of North
America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.-a That
will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands
of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.-a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where >>>> all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, >>> since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

We do not yet have a Gulf of California

Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.

And that is the business of Mexico not of the USA. It is not in California
and they, the government of Mexico can call it whatever they like.

bliss

bliss
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 09:07:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 12/15/25 08:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.a Google switched the >>>>>>>> name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

aaaaaIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.a The Gulf of North >>>>> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.a That >>>>> will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands >>>>> of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.a But eventually
they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city where >>>>> all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, >>>> since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

We do not yet have a Gulf of California

Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.

And that is the business of Mexico not of the USA. It is not in California
and they, the government of Mexico can call it whatever they like.

It was named after the California that Mexico once owned. Before the
USA took it over.
So it has historical associations. As does, of course, "Gulf of
Mexico". A lot of the coastline currently part of the USA used to be
part of Mexico. Or at least of Spain, of which Mexico was a
possession.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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In article <k243kk96gti8qrrpmrkfnprt1d6hrsple3@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 09:07:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 12/15/25 08:16, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

On 12/14/25 12:30, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 12/14/2025 12:39 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 12/12/25 21:48, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:51:17 +0000, Graham <zotzlists@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

On 13/11/2025 21:38, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Looks like Google Maps disagrees with you.a Google switched the >>>>>>>> name of
the Gulf to Gulf Of America right when President Trump ordered all >>>>>>>> federal agencies to change the name.If you're in America

If you're in America.

Elsewhere it's Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).

Given how woke the politicians in Ottawa have been in recent years I'm >>>>>> astonished there have been no move to rename Hudson's Bay

aaaaaIn California it is still the Gulf of Mexico.a The Gulf of North >>>>> America will be
created in the coming inundation maybe 100 years or more away.a That >>>>> will be the time of the Great Bay of California as well. The islands >>>>> of San Francisco
will still be a template for civilizations to come.a But eventually >>>>> they to will
disappear except in oral tradition that there was once a great city >>>>> where
all people who honored all other people were honored.

Surely the Gulf of California should now be rename "Gulf of Mexico" now, >>>> since 100% of its coastline is Mexican :-).

pt

We do not yet have a Gulf of California

Check the name of the bay immediately east of Baja California.

And that is the business of Mexico not of the USA. It is not in California
and they, the government of Mexico can call it whatever they like.

It was named after the California that Mexico once owned. Before the
USA took it over.

So it has historical associations. As does, of course, "Gulf of
Mexico". A lot of the coastline currently part of the USA used to be
part of Mexico. Or at least of Spain, of which Mexico was a
possession.

Actually ALL of it was a Spanish possession (Florida and Louisiana were
both Spanish possessions from 1783 to whenever Spain transferred
Louisiana back to France.
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