• Re: The holodeck (was Re: What The Hell is This Mess?)

    From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Thu Feb 26 21:11:37 2026
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    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
    the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Thu Feb 26 18:08:57 2026
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    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
    the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!


    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    Mind you, I've never studied electric eels so they may not generate real electricity. Maybe it's just something different that just got called electricity mistakenly. Let's see if Claude.AI knows....

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more closely
    related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells called
    electrocytes that act like biological batteries. They have three
    electric organs that take up most of their body, and they can generate
    up to around 600 volts rCo enough to stun prey, deter predators, and even navigate and communicate through low-level pulses. It's one of the more remarkable things in the animal kingdom. ========================================================================
    --
    Rhino
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Thu Feb 26 23:38:03 2026
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    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference.
    Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here,
    the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of equal dumbidity.

    Mind you, I've never studied electric eels so they may not generate real electricity. Maybe it's just something different that just got called electricity mistakenly. Let's see if Claude.AI knows....

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more closely related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells called electrocytes that act like biological batteries. They have three
    electric organs that take up most of their body, and they can generate
    up to around 600 volts rCo enough to stun prey, deter predators, and even navigate and communicate through low-level pulses. It's one of the more remarkable things in the animal kingdom. ========================================================================



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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 03:07:18 2026
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    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 18:08:57 -0500, Rhino wrote:

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric
    eels conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your
    wall socket is definitely artificial.

    Would you say that electric eels generate natural, rCLorganicrCY
    electricity?

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more
    closely related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells
    called electrocytes that act like biological batteries.

    Sounds like they use chemicals to generate their electricity, rather
    than doing it naturally.

    No way you could give a product like that an rCLorganicrCY rating ...
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 03:10:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 23:38:03 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past
    regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer,
    (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people
    wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION
    didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous
    system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must
    only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural electricity'.

    There are endless variations on that trope.

    Like for example humans encounter some advanced alien civilization
    (either we visit them, or they come to us), and they have the power to
    stop all our technology (particularly advanced technology) from
    working. And yet somehow living beings remain unharmed. And maybe some
    old relic machine from a museum still functions -- obviously not rCLtechnologicalrCY enough for the aliensrCO weapon to affect it ...
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Thu Feb 26 21:03:16 2026
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels
    conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference. Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of equal dumbidity.

    The best example was right in the pilot episode. When the event happened airplanes stopped dead in mid air because they run on artificial
    electricity and inertia stopped as well. The airplanes went into a flat
    spin going straight down, but on impact went up in a giant fireball because thatrCOs natural electricity. And all the while the pretty girl was smiling inappropriately.



    Mind you, I've never studied electric eels so they may not generate real
    electricity. Maybe it's just something different that just got called
    electricity mistakenly. Let's see if Claude.AI knows....

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more closely
    related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells called
    electrocytes that act like biological batteries. They have three
    electric organs that take up most of their body, and they can generate
    up to around 600 volts rCo enough to stun prey, deter predators, and even >> navigate and communicate through low-level pulses. It's one of the more
    remarkable things in the animal kingdom.
    ========================================================================




    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Thu Feb 26 21:03:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
    the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    You also have non-food replicator energy that they use to make spare parts
    for runabouts and such. Food replicator energy canrCOt make crisp food such
    as celery for instance. So you have to use non-food replicator energy to
    cobble together a landing craft to go down to the surface of each planet
    you pass and forage for crisp food.

    You also have holodeck food replicator energy. When yourCOre out of food replicator energy, you can still make food in the holodeck. The end result apparently differs somehow but they never made it clear.


    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!


    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    Mind you, I've never studied electric eels so they may not generate real electricity. Maybe it's just something different that just got called electricity mistakenly. Let's see if Claude.AI knows....

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more closely related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells called electrocytes that act like biological batteries. They have three
    electric organs that take up most of their body, and they can generate
    up to around 600 volts rCo enough to stun prey, deter predators, and even navigate and communicate through low-level pulses. It's one of the more remarkable things in the animal kingdom. ========================================================================

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Jerry Brown@jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 08:36:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 23:38:03 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference. >Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here, >the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow >Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating >nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs >the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that >they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural >electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this >group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of >equal dumbidity.

    I guess the creators thought that targetted electricity suppression
    was acceptable in The Day the Earth Stood Still, so went ahead with it
    as the main plot device. They did establish that the nanobots had a
    choice over what they suppressed so only went for machinery, and in
    the first season there were devices which could enable electricity
    locally.

    I enjoyed some of the background stuff, like the map of the new USA
    which had various new states plus a substationally larger Texas, or
    the fairground sideshow with "the last surviving Friends cast member"
    on display - guess we know who that wasn't now. Also Daniella Alonso
    increased the viewing pleasure for me, at least until they killed her
    off.
    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 14:17:00 2026
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    On 2026-02-26 6:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and >>>> regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels
    conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference. Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of equal dumbidity.

    I remember her but I don't think I ever saw her "novel" thoughts on electricity or the use of that as a sort of meme among the group
    members. Well, now I know and I apologize for missing what you were
    getting at and reacting pedantically.

    Mind you, I've never studied electric eels so they may not generate real
    electricity. Maybe it's just something different that just got called
    electricity mistakenly. Let's see if Claude.AI knows....

    ========================================================================
    Q: Do electric eels really generate electricity?

    A: Yes, they really do! Electric eels (which are actually more closely
    related to catfish than true eels) have specialized cells called
    electrocytes that act like biological batteries. They have three
    electric organs that take up most of their body, and they can generate
    up to around 600 volts rCo enough to stun prey, deter predators, and even
    navigate and communicate through low-level pulses. It's one of the more
    remarkable things in the animal kingdom.
    ========================================================================



    --
    Rhino
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  • From Ubiquitous@weberm@polaris.net to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 22:07:18 2026
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    Rhino wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    "Melissa Hollingsworth" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    dtravel@sonic.net delivered unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
    the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and
    regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it.

    Come on, you were here when Clodhopper used to post her stupidity.
    Don't make me Troll-O-Meter you, bro!
    --
    Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
    have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

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  • From Ubiquitous@weberm@polaris.net to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Fri Feb 27 22:09:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    In article <10nr1vu$268jc$4@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 23:38:03 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past
    regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer,
    (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people
    wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION
    didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous
    system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must
    only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    There are endless variations on that trope.

    Like for example humans encounter some advanced alien civilization
    (either we visit them, or they come to us), and they have the power to
    stop all our technology (particularly advanced technology) from
    working. And yet somehow living beings remain unharmed. And maybe some
    old relic machine from a museum still functions -- obviously not >rCLtechnologicalrCY enough for the aliensrCO weapon to affect it ...

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.
    --
    Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
    have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sat Feb 28 03:12:54 2026
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    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 6:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.

    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and >>>>> regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels >>> conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference.
    Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here, >> the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow
    Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating >> nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs >> the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that >> they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this >> group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of >> equal dumbidity.

    I remember her but I don't think I ever saw her "novel" thoughts on electricity or the use of that as a sort of meme among the group
    members. Well, now I know and I apologize for missing what you were
    getting at and reacting pedantically.

    She also insisted that moving water is always safe to drink.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sat Feb 28 03:27:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    In article <10nr1vu$268jc$4@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 23:38:03 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past
    regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer,
    (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people
    wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION
    didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous
    system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must
    only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    There are endless variations on that trope.

    Like for example humans encounter some advanced alien civilization
    (either we visit them, or they come to us), and they have the power to
    stop all our technology (particularly advanced technology) from
    working. And yet somehow living beings remain unharmed. And maybe some
    old relic machine from a museum still functions -- obviously not
    rCLtechnologicalrCY enough for the aliensrCO weapon to affect it ...

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.


    Only by Macs, not windows.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sat Feb 28 18:09:06 2026
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    On Feb 28, 2026 at 2:12:54 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 6:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>>>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible. >>>>>>>
    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and >>>>>> regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels >>>> conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall
    socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference.
    Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here,
    the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow >>> Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating
    nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs
    the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that
    they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not
    'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this
    group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of
    equal dumbidity.

    I remember her but I don't think I ever saw her "novel" thoughts on
    electricity or the use of that as a sort of meme among the group
    members. Well, now I know and I apologize for missing what you were
    getting at and reacting pedantically.

    She also insisted that moving water is always safe to drink.

    And that it's impossible for anyone, even a trained and experienced soldier,
    to successfully use a gun in self-defense. She claimed everyone just freezes
    up out of fear. But that doesn't happen if you use a big dog, a knife, or a baseball bat to defend yourself. Only guns make you freeze in fear at the crucial moment.


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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sat Feb 28 22:22:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 03:27:38 -0700, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.

    Only by Macs, not windows.

    rCLThis is a Unix system! I know this!rCY
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sat Feb 28 22:45:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Feb 28, 2026 at 2:22:22 PM PST, "Lawrence D-AOliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 03:27:38 -0700, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.

    Only by Macs, not windows.

    rCLThis is a Unix system! I know this!rCY

    At least that was a human-designed computer, unlike the INDEPENDENCE DAY aliens, whose computers were hacked by a guy with an old MacBook.


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sat Feb 28 20:34:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On 2/28/2026 2:27 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    In article <10nr1vu$268jc$4@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 23:38:03 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past
    regular here, the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer,
    (one of your fellow Canadidians) who, in response to people
    wondering why the electricity-eating nanobots on the show REVOLUTION
    didn't also absorb the electricity that runs the human nervous
    system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that they must
    only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not 'natural
    electricity'.

    There are endless variations on that trope.

    Like for example humans encounter some advanced alien civilization
    (either we visit them, or they come to us), and they have the power to
    stop all our technology (particularly advanced technology) from
    working. And yet somehow living beings remain unharmed. And maybe some
    old relic machine from a museum still functions -- obviously not
    |ore4+otechnological|ore4-Y enough for the aliens|ore4rao weapon to affect it ...

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.


    Only by Macs, not windows.

    Well, it only worked because Macs were reverse engineered alien
    computers....
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 05:41:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 20:34:35 -0800, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

    On 2/28/2026 2:27 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.

    Only by Macs, not windows.

    Well, it only worked because Macs were reverse engineered alien
    computers....

    So, was Alan Kay a secret agent from the Interstellar Bureau of
    Investigation ... ?
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 08:32:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 2:12:54 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 6:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy >>>>>>>> the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible. >>>>>>>>
    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and >>>>>>> regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels >>>>> conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall >>>>> socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference.
    Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here,
    the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow >>>> Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating
    nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs
    the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that
    they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not
    'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this
    group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of
    equal dumbidity.

    I remember her but I don't think I ever saw her "novel" thoughts on
    electricity or the use of that as a sort of meme among the group
    members. Well, now I know and I apologize for missing what you were
    getting at and reacting pedantically.

    She also insisted that moving water is always safe to drink.

    And that it's impossible for anyone, even a trained and experienced soldier, to successfully use a gun in self-defense. She claimed everyone just freezes up out of fear. But that doesn't happen if you use a big dog, a knife, or a baseball bat to defend yourself. Only guns make you freeze in fear at the crucial moment.

    IIRC that was specific to females. No female can pull a trigger, even when
    in fear for their life.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 08:32:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 03:27:38 -0700, anim8rfsk wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    Similarly, how alien computer technology can be hacked like ours.

    Only by Macs, not windows.

    rCLThis is a Unix system! I know this!rCY


    God, I hate that movie. When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 10:42:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few
    people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I
    recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto
    the screen of an IBM.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 19:51:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:42:33 AM PST, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I
    recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto
    the screen of an IBM.

    I've always laughed at Hollywood's obsession with inserting bleeps and bloops into every scene where someone's working on a computer to let us know the computer is "thinking".


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 19:52:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:32:23 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Feb 28, 2026 at 2:12:54 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote: >>
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-26 6:38 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 26, 2026 at 3:08:57 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2026-02-26 4:11 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 6:41:31 AM PDT, "Melissa Hollingsworth"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <107guh6$3lpf9$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
    the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible. >>>>>>>>>
    Yes, it really was that stupid.

    So there's holodeck energy, food replicator energy, warp energy, and >>>>>>>> regular energy?

    Don't forget the artificial and natural electricity!

    Actually, that's a real distinction if you think about it. Electric eels
    conduct electricity and it's natural; the stuff you get in your wall >>>>>> socket is definitely artificial.

    But if you examine them at the atomic level, there's no difference. >>>>> Electricity is electricity, no matter how it's generated.

    This is a long-running gag here on RAT in reference to a past regular here,
    the profoundly stupid Cloud Dreamer, aka Clod Reamer, (one of your fellow
    Canadidians) who, in response to people wondering why the electricity-eating
    nanobots on the show REVOLUTION didn't also absorb the electricity that runs
    the human nervous system, or the electricity in thunderstorms, declared that
    they must only be programmed to consume 'artificial electricity', not >>>>> 'natural
    electricity'.

    Clod's insistence on this theory has become a benchmark of stupidity in this
    group and a shorthand way of indicating when someone else says something of
    equal dumbidity.

    I remember her but I don't think I ever saw her "novel" thoughts on
    electricity or the use of that as a sort of meme among the group
    members. Well, now I know and I apologize for missing what you were
    getting at and reacting pedantically.

    She also insisted that moving water is always safe to drink.

    And that it's impossible for anyone, even a trained and experienced soldier,
    to successfully use a gun in self-defense. She claimed everyone just freezes
    up out of fear. But that doesn't happen if you use a big dog, a knife, or a >> baseball bat to defend yourself. Only guns make you freeze in fear at the >> crucial moment.

    IIRC that was specific to females. No female can pull a trigger, even when
    in fear for their life.

    Ah, yes. I remember how she was completely enraged when I told I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear for even a moment.


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 16:19:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Verily, in article <10o25e4$h5u2$2@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:
    Ah, yes. I remember how she was completely enraged when I told I have a sister
    who is alive today because she defended herself with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear for even a moment.


    Your sister rocks.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 16:23:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Verily, in article <10o25bg$h5u2$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:42:33 AM PST, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto the screen of an IBM.

    I've always laughed at Hollywood's obsession with inserting bleeps and bloops into every scene where someone's working on a computer to let us know the computer is "thinking".

    One of my favorite things is the way that TV and movie pictures have
    infinite resolution. "Zoom and enhance. Again. Again, again, again."
    Then, instead of a realistic blur, we somehow read the writing on a
    scrap of paper. Computers are magic!
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 21:54:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 10:42:33 -0500, The True Melissa wrote:

    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed.

    Compositing was required, not so much because of glare I donrCOt think,
    but because of a mismatch of frame rates that would lead to unpleasant
    and distracting flicker.

    I look at modern TV news studios, with back walls covered with huge
    LCD panels showing remote interviewees and correspondents, location
    footage, weather pictures etc, and theyrCOre all captured by the studio
    cameras just fine (with all frame rates locked together, of course),
    with no discernible glare at all.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 21:57:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    ... I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself
    with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear
    for even a moment.

    That kind of thing is very rarely successful. Outside of a war zone,
    the vast majority of deployment of guns tend to end badly.

    In other words, for every one person like your sister, there are
    something like 30 dead bodies of those for whom things didnrCOt turn out
    quite so well ...
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 11:01:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On 2026-03-01 21:54:51 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 10:42:33 -0500, The True Melissa wrote:

    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed.

    Compositing was required, not so much because of glare I donrCOt think,
    but because of a mismatch of frame rates that would lead to unpleasant
    and distracting flicker.

    I look at modern TV news studios, with back walls covered with huge LCD panels showing remote interviewees and correspondents, location
    footage, weather pictures etc, and theyrCOre all captured by the studio cameras just fine (with all frame rates locked together, of course),
    with no discernible glare at all.

    Another problem can also be unwanted reflections of the camera and crew
    being seen in glass in the scene (computer screens, TVs, motorbike or
    space helmet visors, car or shop windows, etc.) These would have to be
    edited out or replaced in post production, which can be difficult even
    with modern computer editing.

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current on Mon Mar 2 11:04:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On 2026-03-01 21:57:23 +0000, Lawrence D|Oliveiro said:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    ... I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself
    with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear
    for even a moment.

    That kind of thing is very rarely successful. Outside of a war zone,
    the vast majority of deployment of guns tend to end badly.

    In other words, for every one person like your sister, there are
    something like 30 dead bodies of those for whom things didn'COt turn
    out quite so well ...

    And probably at least another 30 where someone was killed without being anywhere near such a situation where a gun could supposedly be needed
    (e.g. kids playing with a gun).



    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Sun Mar 1 17:22:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    Verily, in article <10o2cja$j027$8@dont-email.me>, did ldo@nz.invalid
    deliver unto us this message:

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 10:42:33 -0500, The True Melissa wrote:

    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed.

    Compositing was required, not so much because of glare I don?t think,
    but because of a mismatch of frame rates that would lead to unpleasant
    and distracting flicker.

    I look at modern TV news studios, with back walls covered with huge
    LCD panels showing remote interviewees and correspondents, location
    footage, weather pictures etc, and they?re all captured by the studio
    cameras just fine (with all frame rates locked together, of course),
    with no discernible glare at all.

    That makes sense. I probably recalled it incorrectly.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 22:22:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 1:23:35 PM PST, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10o25bg$h5u2$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:42:33 AM PST, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >> > message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few >> > people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I
    recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto >> > the screen of an IBM.

    I've always laughed at Hollywood's obsession with inserting bleeps and
    bloops
    into every scene where someone's working on a computer to let us know the >> computer is "thinking".

    One of my favorite things is the way that TV and movie pictures have infinite resolution. "Zoom and enhance. Again. Again, again, again."
    Then, instead of a realistic blur, we somehow read the writing on a
    scrap of paper. Computers are magic!

    There was a CSI:HORATIO episode where they managed to read a license plate in the reflection of someone's eyeball off a security cam tape.

    The CSI shows are an example of how TV nonsense has a negative influence in
    the real world. When they were at their height of popularity, real-world
    juries expected the government to have all those gee-whiz super-duper techniques and equipment to find evidence. They had ridiculous expectations of the abilities of the police because Hollywood made up nonsense and put it on a TV show. It was difficult to convince juries that no, it's not really possible to take video from a low-rez VHS convenience store security tape, blow it up 1000x, and get a reflection of the perp's license plate off the retina of a
    bum sitting at a bus stop across the street.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 22:33:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 1:57:23 PM PST, "Lawrence D-AOliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    ... I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself
    with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear
    for even a moment.

    That kind of thing is very rarely successful. Outside of a war zone,
    the vast majority of deployment of guns tend to end badly.

    In other words, for every one person like your sister, there are
    something like 30 dead bodies of those for whom things didnrCOt turn out quite so well ...

    The number of successful defensive gun uses (DGUs) in America per year ranges anywhere between 70,000 to 500,000, depending on the study, definitions, and methodology (e.g., whether the gun is fired, brandished, or merely possessed), but even just taking the low end, your claim doesn't hold water.

    Even the rabidly anti-gun organization "Everytown for Gun Safety" had to admit in 2025, after analyzing the 2019rCo2023 NCVS data, that there are at least 70,000 legitimate DGUs annually. If there are 30 dead people for every one of those 70,000, that would mean almost a quarter million people are dying every year trying to defend themselves with a gun.

    That... isn't credible.



    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 1 22:36:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 1:19:42 PM PST, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10o25e4$h5u2$2@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com deliver unto us this message:

    Ah, yes. I remember how she was completely enraged when I told her I have a >> sister
    who is alive today because she defended herself with a gun when she was
    attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear for even a moment.

    Your sister rocks.

    She didn't kill him but he'll be spending the rest of his life behind bars in
    a wheelchair and pooping in a bag.


    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 00:52:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 22:33:54 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    Even the rabidly anti-gun organization "Everytown for Gun Safety"
    had to admit in 2025, after analyzing the 2019rCo2023 NCVS data, that
    there are at least 70,000 legitimate DGUs annually.

    I wonder where you get that figure from? This page of gun-violence
    deaths <https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls> shows only
    1,164 instances of rCLDefensive UserCY in 2025 -- only about 3% of
    gun-violence deaths, which is consistent with the oft-quoted 30:1
    ratio.

    The figures also show that two-thirds of all gun-violence deaths in
    the USA that year were suicides.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 00:58:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:04:44 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2026-03-01 21:57:23 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    ... I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself
    with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear
    for even a moment.

    That kind of thing is very rarely successful. Outside of a war zone,
    the vast majority of deployment of guns tend to end badly.

    In other words, for every one person like your sister, there are
    something like 30 dead bodies of those for whom things didnrCOt turn out
    quite so well ...

    And probably at least another 30 where someone was killed without
    being anywhere near such a situation where a gun could supposedly be
    needed (e.g. kids playing with a gun).

    The number-one cause of death among children in the USA is now gunshot
    wounds. Where is there a civilized country that can make that claim?

    Remember the leader of that gang of pro-gun thugs who was jailed for
    his part in the 6th Jan 2020 riots on Capitol Hill? The one with the
    eye-patch, earned from shooting himself in the face while cleaning his
    gun?

    A living, breathing, walking testimony to the oxymoron that is rCLgun safetyrCY, if ever there was one ...
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 01:16:02 2026
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    On Mar 1, 2026 at 4:52:35 PM PST, "Lawrence D-AOliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 22:33:54 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    Even the rabidly anti-gun organization "Everytown for Gun Safety"
    had to admit in 2025, after analyzing the 2019rCo2023 NCVS data, that
    there are at least 70,000 legitimate DGUs annually.

    I wonder where you get that figure from? This page of gun-violence
    deaths <https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls> shows only
    1,164 instances of rCLDefensive UserCY in 2025 -- only about 3% of gun-violence deaths, which is consistent with the oft-quoted 30:1
    ratio.

    The figures also show that two-thirds of all gun-violence deaths in
    the USA that year were suicides.

    The figures draw primarily from the National Crime Victimization Survey
    (NCVS), a large, ongoing Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of U.S.
    households that asks crime victims about their experiences, including any defensive actions. The NCVS focuses on reported or attempted crimes and excludes homicides.



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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 01:21:08 2026
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    On Mar 1, 2026 at 4:58:05 PM PST, "Lawrence D-AOliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:04:44 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2026-03-01 21:57:23 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    ... I have a sister who is alive today because she defended herself
    with a gun when she was attacked. And that she didn't freeze in fear
    for even a moment.

    That kind of thing is very rarely successful. Outside of a war zone,
    the vast majority of deployment of guns tend to end badly.

    In other words, for every one person like your sister, there are
    something like 30 dead bodies of those for whom things didnrCOt turn out >>> quite so well ...

    And probably at least another 30 where someone was killed without
    being anywhere near such a situation where a gun could supposedly be
    needed (e.g. kids playing with a gun).

    The number-one cause of death among children in the USA is now gunshot wounds.

    Firearm deaths among minors break down as roughly 60rCo65% homicides, of which the vast majority is gang violence, a problem that has far deeper roots than the fact Americans can own guns.

    Detroit's gun homicide rate is far, far higher than the homicide rate in rural Michigan despite the same gun laws applying to both places.

    It's not the guns that are the problem.


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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.tv on Mon Mar 2 03:13:56 2026
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    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 01:21:08 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 wrote:

    Detroit's gun homicide rate is far, far higher than the homicide
    rate in rural Michigan despite the same gun laws applying to both
    places.

    Massachusetts has gun laws that work. So if you want to pick and
    choose, maybe they offer lessons that other states can learn.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Mon Mar 2 15:46:42 2026
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    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:42:33 AM PST, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
    message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few
    people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I
    recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto
    the screen of an IBM.

    I've always laughed at Hollywood's obsession with inserting bleeps and bloops into every scene where someone's working on a computer to let us know the computer is "thinking".

    And typing furiously, and never once reaching for a mouse
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From anim8rfsk@anim8rfsk@cox.net to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Mon Mar 2 15:46:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Mar 1, 2026 at 1:23:35 PM PST, "The True Melissa" <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10o25bg$h5u2$1@dont-email.me>, did atropos@mac.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    On Mar 1, 2026 at 7:42:33 AM PST, "The True Melissa"
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <179267364.794071571.311223.anim8rfsk-
    cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>> message:
    When she says that, on screen, you can actually see
    the interface running QuickTime movies.


    I've read that the screen contents have to be pasted in later, since
    glare would prevent them from being filmed. In the early days, when few >>>> people knew anything about computers, they pulled some real boners. I >>>> recall laughter in 1995 because some show had pasted a Mac desktop onto >>>> the screen of an IBM.

    I've always laughed at Hollywood's obsession with inserting bleeps and
    bloops
    into every scene where someone's working on a computer to let us know the >>> computer is "thinking".

    One of my favorite things is the way that TV and movie pictures have
    infinite resolution. "Zoom and enhance. Again. Again, again, again."
    Then, instead of a realistic blur, we somehow read the writing on a
    scrap of paper. Computers are magic!

    There was a CSI:HORATIO episode where they managed to read a license plate in the reflection of someone's eyeball off a security cam tape.

    The CSI shows are an example of how TV nonsense has a negative influence in the real world. When they were at their height of popularity, real-world juries expected the government to have all those gee-whiz super-duper techniques and equipment to find evidence. They had ridiculous expectations of
    the abilities of the police because Hollywood made up nonsense and put it on a
    TV show. It was difficult to convince juries that no, it's not really possible
    to take video from a low-rez VHS convenience store security tape, blow it up 1000x, and get a reflection of the perp's license plate off the retina of a bum sitting at a bus stop across the street.


    I can top that. Las Vegas (the James Caan series) managed to grab a car
    mirror reflection of a single sequin on a showgirlrCOs costume.
    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.tv,alt.tv.star-trek,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Tue Mar 3 02:13:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.tv

    On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 15:46:42 -0700, anim8rfsk wrote:

    And typing furiously, and never once reaching for a mouse

    They could be using twm, or something suitably retro like that.
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