• MT VOID, 12/05/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 23, Whole Number 2409

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    THE MT VOID
    12/05/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 23, Whole Number 2409

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 29 (MURDER, SHE SAID; MURDER AT THE
    GALLOP; MURDER MOST FOUL; MURDER AHOY!;
    THE ALPHABET MURDERS) (film reviews
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Counting Countries: The Final Update? (comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    THE STONE TAPE (letter of comment by John Kerr-Mudd)
    This Week's Reading (Great Courses)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 29 (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    MURDER, SHE SAID (1961): The problem with the Margaret Rutherford
    "Miss Marple" movies is not so much Margaret Rutherford, but Ron
    Goodwin, because while the music he composed might be fine for a
    comedy, it is all wrong for a straight mystery.

    (Rutherford's Marple is a bit more active, and a bit more
    eccentric, than Agatha Christie's creation. Joan Hickson was more
    to my taste, with Geraldine McEwan once again a bit too active
    than the original. Christie, however, did like Rutherford's
    portrayal.)

    They needed to change the title from the original British title of
    the original novel (WHAT MRS MCGILLICUDDY SAW), since they
    eliminated the Mrs McGillicuddy character altogether, along with
    Lucy Eyelesbarrow--Miss Marple takes the position herself (maid
    rather than housekeeper). And they must have decided the American
    title (4:50 TO PADDINGTON) lacked punch or sounded too British or
    something, so they settled on MURDER, SHE SAID, as clearly
    relaying to the audience what was to be expected. (And, yes, I'm
    sure that the television series title "Murder, She Wrote" was a
    nod to this title.)

    Joan Hickson, who later played Miss Marple on television, has a
    small part in this as Mrs. Kidder.

    Released theatrically 07 January 1962.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055205/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/murder_she_said>


    MURDER AT THE GALLOP (1963): They definitely needed to change the
    name on this, to cover up that it was based on a Hercule Poirot
    novel, AFTER THE FUNERAL. They also cut down on the number of
    characters. This is generally necessary when making a novel into a
    film, but it also cuts down on the number of suspects.

    (There was an old-time radio show episode in which the budget was
    enough for only three characters, one of whom was a continuing
    character, so when one was murdered, it was obvious who the
    murderer was.)

    And they decided to promote the comedic aspect of the film (and
    increase it as well).

    The murder weapon was changed; being bludgeoned or worse by an axe
    was a bit stronger than MGM wanted to depict. But for that matter
    all the plot between the initial set-up and the reveal of the
    murderer was changed.

    As in the first film, the murderer is revealed not in the
    traditional "gathering of the suspects", but when Miss Marple
    lures the killer to try to eliminate her.

    Released theatrically 19 December 1963.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057334/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/murder_at_the_gallop>


    MURDER MOST FOUL (1964): Again, this is based on a Hercule Poirot
    novel, MRS MCGINTY'S DEAD, and so changed the title, this time to
    a phrase Miss Marple used in the previous film. A lot has been
    changed, though the basic underlying plot is still there. By now
    it's clear that the murderer will be revealed when Miss Marple
    traps the killer in some sort of direct confrontation in which she
    gets to say she won the 1923 Women's Archery Cup or whatever. (She
    seems to have an inexhaustible supply of sports awards in every
    field--golf, riding, fencing...)

    Released theatrically 23 May 1965.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058383/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/murder_most_foul>


    MURDER AHOY! (1964): Unlike the previous three films that were
    adapted from Christie novels--THE 4.50 FROM PADDINGTON (MURDER,
    SHE SAID, the only Miss Marple novel used), AFTER THE FUNERAL (a
    Poirot mystery, adapted for Miss Marple with the title MURDER AT
    THE GALLOP) and MRS MCGINTY'S DEAD (another Poirot novel, adapted
    as MURDER MOST FOUL)--this film used an original screenplay that
    was not based on any of Christie's stories. In my opinion it
    suffers for that. Having Miss Marple adopt a naval uniform is a
    bit much, and the original Miss Marple would never have gotten
    involved in a sword fight. (For that matter, neither did this one,
    really--by careful use of a double and editing the sword fight is
    at least passable.)

    Released theatrically 22 September 1964.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058382/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/murder_ahoy>


    THE ALPHABET MURDERS (1966): This is simply appalling, on the
    level of the Woody Allen version of CASINO ROYALE. Tony Randall
    plays Hercule Poirot as a would-be Inspector Clouseau (and with
    only a fairly ordinary moustache), and Robert Morley's Captain
    Hastings is now an MI5 agent whose scenes include running down a
    street wearing nothing but a towel.

    For that matter, most of the original plot was jettisoned.

    There is an uncredited cameo of Margaret Rutherford as Miss
    Marple, complete with her theme music (Ron Goodwin did the music
    for all five films). The title was apparently changed from the
    novel's title (THE A.B.C. MURDERS) because there was a cinema
    chain called the ABC Cinemas, and the producers were worried that
    the original title might offend them.

    Had they seen the finished product, I would hope they would be
    offended.

    Released theatrically 17 May 1966.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060094/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_alphabet_murders>


    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Counting Countries: The Final Update? (comments by Evelyn
    C. Leeper)

    [This is called a final update, because I don't envision myself
    ever flying anywhere in the future; flying has become so
    miserable.]

    People often ask me how many countries I have visited. It is not a
    simple question to answer. (States are easier--all fifty, though
    even there one has to add "and Washington, D.C.").

    First, there are 50 unequivocal countries:

    Australia, Austria, Belgium, Botswana, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Canada,
    China, Costa Rica, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt,
    Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, India,
    Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kenya, Latvia, Lithuania,
    Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Palestine/West Bank, Peru,
    Romania, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Swaziland,
    Sweden, Tanzania, Thailand, Turkey, Turks & Caicos, United
    Kingdom, United States, Vatican City, Vietnam, Zimbabwe

    (The West Bank was never annexed by Israel, so I have to count it
    separately.)

    Then there are four countries that were all part of one country
    when I visited, but split up starting literally the day after I
    left:
    - Bosnia-Hercegovina
    - Croatia
    - Slovenia
    - Yugoslavia (Serbia)

    This would add four but subtract one.

    And another two that also split (though more peacefully):
    - Czech Republic
    - Slovakia

    This would add two but subtract one.

    Two "countries" were actually British territories, but are usually
    counted separately:
    - Gibraltar
    - Hong Kong

    (And Hong Kong is now part of China, but not completely
    incorporated there either.)

    While we're at it, some people would count four more I have
    visited as countries (if not sovereign nations):
    - Puerto Rico
    - Wales
    - Scotland
    - Northern Ireland

    Those last six are not sovereign nations, but are countries in the
    sense of being treated as separate entities from their governing
    nations by various organizations--for example, the International
    Olympic Committee and AMPAS (Puerto Rico and Hong Kong), and
    various sport associations (Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland).

    Seven others--which at least are undisputed countries--barely
    count:
    - New Zealand (walked around the airport in Wellington two
    different times)
    - South Korea (walked around the airport in Seoul two
    different times)
    - Senegal (saw the airport out the plane window during a stop
    there)
    - Namibia (was in riparian territorial waters)
    - Nicaragua (was in riparian territorial waters)
    - Zambia (was in riparian territorial waters, and also a short
    stretch between Zimbabwe and Botswana))

    And finally, a "one-off";
    - United Nations (it issues its own stamps and is not part of any
    other country)

    Well, almost finally. It turns out that the "Travelers Century
    Club" has a list of "countries" which takes into account (e.g.)
    continental separations and island groups. So when counting from
    their list we would add Alaska, Hawaii, and the Galapagos Islands,
    and count Turkey in Europe and Turkey in Asia as separate
    countries.

    Now I think the TCC rules are questionable. For example, they
    define an island group that is within 200 miles of its home
    country, but has a population of at least 100,000, and is
    administered as a separate state, province, or department, as a
    separate "country." So Prince Edward Island counts as a separate
    country (being a Canadian province), but Manhattan Island does
    not. (Hawai'i does, because satisfies another requirement: it is
    more than 200 miles from the home country.)

    On the other hand, they clearly exclude the United Nations,
    because it has no resident population.

    (See <http://tinyurl.com/void-tcc-rules> for the full list of
    rules.)

    Anyway, here's the summary:
    - 50 unequivocal
    - 6 formed from two earlier countries that fissioned (and get
    removed)
    - 6 territories/semi-autonomous regions of the US, UK, and China
    - 3 airport stops (2 deplaning, 1 not)
    - 3 riparian visits and/or very brief land crossings
    - 1 one-off
    - 4 additional if TCC geographical separation rules are counted
    (but then minus 1 for the United Nations)

    So I believe that currently the strictest count would be 50, and
    the most inclusive would be 71. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: THE STONE TAPE (letter of comment by John Kerr-Mudd)

    In response to various comments on THE STONE TAPE in previous
    issues of the MT VOID, John Kerr-Mudd writes:

    Suitably late night scariness; too much for me, I fear. Luckily I
    never saw it back when I was an impressionable youth. [-jkm]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I've been watching the Great Courses series "History's Greatest
    Voyages of Exploration", and have discovered that while not
    everything we learned was wrong, many of the "firsts" weren't:

    Columbus did not discover America, and was not even the first
    European to arrive there. That was the Vikings.

    Virginia Dare was not the first white child born in the Americas.
    That was Snorri Thorfinnson.

    Virginia Dare was not the first white child born in what would
    become the United States. That was Martin de Arguelles, Jr. (She
    was the first English child, if one wants to put that much
    restriction on it. But then why not narrow it down further to
    first English male?)

    Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe, nor was
    Sebastian Elcano. That was Enrique of Malacca.

    Vasco de Gama was not the first to round the Cape of Good Hope,
    nor was Bartolomeu Dias. The Phoenicians did it first a few
    thousand years earlier.

    Robert Peary was not the first to reach the North Pole, nor were
    Matthew Henson nor Frederik Cook. That was Aleksandr Kuznetsov (by
    air), and Ralph Plaisted and team (by land). (Basically, all the
    earlier claims were either intentional fakes or genuine errors in
    calculation.)

    Also, people in Columbus's time did not think the earth was flat
    (blame Washington Irving for this myth), and George Washington did
    not chop down the cherry tree (Parson Weems invented this).
    However, Lincoln may actually have walked miles to return money he
    accidentally overcharged a customer.

    (And if Irving's biography of George Washington was this
    unreliable, one has to wonder about his biography of Mohammed.)

    I followed this with "Polar Explorations", done in conjunction
    with National Geographic. Or perhaps more accurately, "Polar
    Explorations" seems to be a National Geographic production with
    the name "Great Courses" tacked on. It is not a series of
    college-like lectures, but more like a series of NOVA episodes,
    with several different lecturers, full of anecdotal stories, long
    visual sequences, and somewhat disconnected observations. It's not
    that it's bad, but it is not the "Great Courses" as one has come
    to expect it.

    Another Great Courses series ("The Joy of Science") perpetuated a
    different common misconception, claiming Charles Darwin went on
    the Beagle as the ship's naturalist. Actually, the official
    naturalist was Robert McCormick; Darwin was on board as a
    companion to Captain FitzRoy, who otherwise would have had very
    few men of his own class to socialize with on the ship. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


    Enveloped in a common mist, we seem to walk in clearness
    ourselves, and behold only the mist that enshrouds
    others.
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Dec 7 14:46:50 2025
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    On 12/7/25 9:06 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe, nor was
    Sebastian Elcano. That was Enrique of Malacca.

    The Wikipedia article says this is open to dispute, and the explanation
    of how he might have been is confusing. Magellan, of course, died before completing the trip. It seems to me that the first to circumnavigate
    Earth would be an n-way tie among the survivors of the expedition.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Dec 7 21:34:21 2025
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    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe, nor was
    Sebastian Elcano. That was Enrique of Malacca.

    The Wikipedia article says this is open to dispute, and the
    explanation of how he might have been is confusing.

    It's not clear where Enrique was originally from, but it's undisputed
    that he discovered he could speak the local language in the
    Philippines. So he had almost certainly circled the Earth. And done
    so before the survivors of the expedition made it back to Europe.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Dec 7 22:31:43 2025
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    In article <10h4lja$3mndo$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    On 12/7/25 9:06 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe, nor was
    Sebastian Elcano. That was Enrique of Malacca.

    The Wikipedia article says this is open to dispute, and the explanation
    of how he might have been is confusing. Magellan, of course, died before >completing the trip. It seems to me that the first to circumnavigate
    Earth would be an n-way tie among the survivors of the expedition.

    [Hal Heydt]
    As I recall reading, if one claims the Magellan expedition as the
    first circumnavigation, the honors as "leader" for the whole trip
    go to his First Mate.

    On the onther hand, I don't know if anyone disputes Joshua Slocum
    as being first to do a solo circumnavigation.
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Dec 7 19:37:53 2025
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    On 12/7/2025 4:34 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe, nor was
    Sebastian Elcano. That was Enrique of Malacca.

    The Wikipedia article says this is open to dispute, and the
    explanation of how he might have been is confusing.

    It's not clear where Enrique was originally from, but it's undisputed
    that he discovered he could speak the local language in the
    Philippines. So he had almost certainly circled the Earth. And done
    so before the survivors of the expedition made it back to Europe.

    Its possible, but not proven.

    He was enslaved in Malacca by Magellan on an earlier voyage east in
    1511. He was on Magellan's later circumnavigation 1519-1522. He could
    speak Malay. He was understood in Cebu, but Malay was a common
    trade language in the area.

    He left the expedition at Cebu. Cebu is about 20 degrees, or 2500 km
    NE of Malacca, which Mindanao is about 100 km south of Cebu.

    So the question is: Was he actually from the Phillipines, and learned
    Malay later, settling in Malacca, or was he Malay from Malacca? If
    the former case, he almost certainly circumnavigated. If the latter,
    he still had quite a long way to go, but not an impossible distance,
    and we just don't know if he did it.

    pt








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