• MT VOID, 10/10/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 15, Whole Number 2401

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    THE MT VOID
    10/10/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 15, Whole Number 2401

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 23 (THE QUIET AMERICAN (1958),
    THE QUIET AMERICAN (2002)) (film comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    As Usual, Science Fiction Got There First (comments by
    Evelyn C. Leeper)
    And Then There Was Dickens ... (comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Yet Another Example of AI Not Having Common Sense
    (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Possible Evidence of Life on Enceladus (pointer to article)
    Books and Bras (letter of comment by Andre Kuzniarek)
    Finnish (letters of comment by Gary McGath and Hal Heydt)
    This Week's Reading (SPANGLISH)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

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    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 23 (film comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    THE QUIET AMERICAN (1958) and THE QUIET AMERICAN (2002):

    THE QUIET AMERICAN (1958) was the first adaptation of Graham
    Greene's 1955 novel of the same name. Greene hated that his
    anti-war message of non-intervention was turned into one of
    pro-American, anti-Communist involvement.

    The font used for the credits and some of the sets is more
    Japanese than Vietnamese and the characters on the bandstand seem
    Chinese. Vietnamese uses what is basically the Roman alphabet with
    some additional diacritical marks.

    Also, the three main Vietnamese characters are played by an
    Italian, a French woman, and a Japanese.

    While this version has historical interest in that it was filmed
    in Saigon in 1958, THE QUIET AMERICAN (2002) with Brendan Frazier
    is much better, The newer version was also filmed in Saigon,
    except it was Ho Chi Minh City by then. (When we were in HCMC in
    2001, the primary souvenir we saw being sold on the street was a
    (pirated) copy of Graham Greene's novel.)

    One *BIG* difference between the two, of course, is that one was
    made before Vietnam War, and the other after. This is emphasized
    by the end of the 2002 version, which shows a sequence of news
    clippings about the events in Vietnam from the end of the film's
    narrative through the Vietnam War itself. But to some extent that
    makes the 1958 version more interesting, since it shows what was
    going on when people didn't know how it would turn out. It's easy
    to make a film set in the past with a lot of foreshadowing, even
    unintentional foreshadowing, but the people of the time did not
    know what was coming. The example I have heard was that when the
    Romans left Britain to fight the barbarians, no one had any idea
    that it was a permanent departure. So having a character looking
    at the ships departing and saying, "I wonder if we"ll ever see
    them again" or even "I wonder when they're coming back" would be
    inaccurate.

    Anyway, watching the two provides an interesting contrast.


    Released theatrically 08 February 1958.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052106/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1143978-quiet_american>


    Released theatrically 07 March 2003.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258068/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1118347-quiet_american>


    [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: As Usual, Science Fiction Got There First (comments by
    Evelyn C. Leeper)

    From the BBC:

    An "AI actor" named Tilly Norwood has been causing a stir
    after its Dutch creators said the synthetic performer is in
    talks with talent agencies.

    Norwood could be mistaken for a young, aspiring actress when
    one glances at its social media. The brunette poses for photos
    and showcases a fully AI-generated comedy sketch, where it is
    described as having "girl next door vibes."

    "I may be AI, but I'm feeling very real emotions right now,"
    Tilly's creators wrote on her page. "I am so excited for
    what's coming next!"

    (More at <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99glvn5870o>.)

    See below for Mark's review of S1M0NE (first printed in the
    09/20/2002 issue of the MT VOID) for how science fiction once again
    predicted reality.

    And commenting on S1M0NE, I wrote in the 06/14/24 issue, "But
    Viktor nailed the current situation in a single line: 'Our ability
    to manufacture fraud now exceeds our ability to detect it.'"
    [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: S1M0NE (film review by Mark R. Leeper)

    CAPSULE: A Hollywood director tired of pandering to the demands of
    spoilt brat actresses uses a new computer program to create an
    entirely digital actress who can be commanded to just follow his
    will. Andrew Niccol creates a sort of dual to his THE TRUMAN SHOW
    in which the world is real and the character is not. The result
    is an often clever satire of popular culture. Rating: 7 (0 to
    10), +2 (-4 to +4)

    In a comic reworking of FRANKENSTEIN, a film director tired of
    having to deal with prima donna actresses and actors tries an
    alternative. Victor Taransky, played by Al Pacino, gets an
    opportunity to use a secret computer program that allows him to
    create a digital image of a non-existent actress named Simone.
    Simone is really short for "Simulation One." Simone is purely an
    extension of Taransky, completely in his control, but that does
    not mean that the whole project does not get out of control as
    this new actress becomes a hot popular craze.

    The film was written, produced, and directed by Andrew Niccol.
    Niccol previously wrote and directed GATTACA, my choice for the
    best science fiction film of the 1990s. He also wrote THE TRUMAN
    SHOW. That latter was about a real person in a totally artificial
    world. This film has a totally artificial person in a real world.

    There are several large gaps in the plot logic. The largest is
    that the film glosses over the studio financial arrangements with
    a non-existent actress. Some of what is done with computers in
    this film also seems unrealistic considering what the capabilities
    of computers are ever going to be.

    Rachel Roberts accepted the uncredited title role. In the credits
    it is claimed that Simone is played by Simone. She is supposed to
    be playing an amalgam of several great actresses. She allows her
    acting to be totally the opposite of the genuineness of those
    actors. Similarly the films that Taransky makes with Simone seem
    strangely dull and stylized to be the great popular successes the
    plot requires these films within the film to be. Though it is
    interesting in this Frankenstein story that she was in her own way
    pieced together from dead people. Pacino has a great time and
    shares it with the audience. He plays his role with just a light
    touch of schizophrenia as he speaks the lines to be repackaged for
    Roberts's lips. In some cases he actually argues with Simone in
    much the way that Anthony Perkins argues with his mother in
    PSYCHO.

    This is an amusing satire of the Hollywood star system. While
    this film is no GATTACA it does make for a fun, science fiction
    comedy. I will rate it a 7 on the 0 to 10 scale and a +2 on the
    -4 to +4 scale. [-mrl]

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    TOPIC: And Then There Was Dickens ... (comments by Evelyn C.
    Leeper)

    In HARD TIMES, Charles Dickens wrote, "[Coketown] contained
    several large streets all very like one another, and many small
    streets still more like one another, inhabited by people equally
    like one another, who all went in and out at the same hours, with
    the same sound upon the same pavements, to do the same work, and
    to whom every day was the same as yesterday and tomorrow, and
    every year the counterpart of the last and the next."

    In a reversal of science fiction predicting reality, that sounds
    like the inspiration for GROUNDHOG DAY. Indeed, in GROUNDHOG DAY
    we have the following exchange:

    Phil: What would you do if you were stuck in one place and
    every day was exactly the same, and nothing that you did
    mattered?

    Ralph: That about sums it up for me.

    [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: Yet Another Example of AI Not Having Common Sense (comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I was watching the Great Courses' "The Foundations of Western
    Civilization", and the professor was talking about "Oedipus Rex".
    I got to wondering whether Jocasta was still young enough to have
    children by Oedipus, so I asked DuckDuckGo's "Search Assist" how
    old Jocasta was when she married Oedipus.

    It gave me a very complete answer. It told me Oedipus was thirty
    years old when he answered the Sphinx's riddle and married
    Jocasta, who was in her late twenties or early thirties.

    I will remind you that Jocasta was Oedipus's mother, and that the
    ancient Greeks did not have time travel, and leave it at that.
    [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: Possible Evidence of Life on Enceladus (pointer to article)

    The Guardian reports:

    "The likelihood that one of SaturnrCOs moons may harbour life has
    risen, experts say, after finding an array of carbon-based
    substances being spewed out of Enceladus.

    "The sixth largest of SaturnrCOs moons, Enceladus has become one of
    the leading contenders in the search for bodies that could harbour extraterrestrial life, with the Cassini mission--which ended in
    2017--revealing the moon has a plume of water ice grains and
    vapours erupting from beneath the surface at its south pole.

    "The phenomenon has since been captured by the James Webb space
    telescope, with the plume reaching nearly 6,000 miles into space.
    The source of this material is thought to be a saltwater ocean
    that lies beneath the moonrCOs icy crust.

    "Now researchers studying data from the Cassini mission say they
    have discovered organic substances within the plume, with some
    types of molecule detected there for the first time."

    Full article at <https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/oct/01/ prospect-life-saturn-moons-rises-discovery-organic-substances>.

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    TOPIC: Books and Bras (letter of comment by Andre Kuzniarek)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on books and bras in the 10/03/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Andre Kuzniarek writes:

    Re: "I popped into Walmart to pick up a couple of bras, which I
    needed more than I needed more books." [-ecl]

    Hah, nearly spat out my coffee!

    What you need is to combine books and bras--the physics mentioned
    here might be interesting:

    <https://benbellabooks.com/shop/the-bra-book/>

    [-ak]

    Evelyn responds:

    And of course, along those lines there's the classic, Robert
    A. Baker's STRESS ANALYSIS OF A STRAPLESS GOWN.

    THE BRA BOOK's subtitle is "The Fashion Formula to Finding the
    Perfect Bra". Frankly, my opinion is that the perfect bra is no
    bra, but YMMV. (To give due credit, THE BRA BOOK is by Jene
    Luciani.) [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: Finnish (letters of comment by Gary McGath and Hal Heydt)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on THE WHITE REINDEER and Finnish
    in the 10/03/25 issue of the MT VOID, Gary McGath writes:

    I know two words of Finnish: Kalevala and Linux. [-gmg]

    Evelyn responds:

    And sauna. [-ecl]

    And Hal Heydt points out:

    If I'm not mistaken, Linus Torvalds native language is actually
    Swedish (a minority language in Finland). [-hh]

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    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    SPANGLISH: THE MAKING OF A NEW AMERICAN LANGUAGE by Ilan Stavans
    (Rayo, ISBN 978-0-06-008775-7) is about a subject near and dear to
    my heart. My father was born in Puerto Rico and came to New York
    in the 1930s. (One of the things he claimed was that it wasn't
    until must later he realized there was a depression going on.) So
    he was a "Nuyorican", albeit raised at a time when English was not
    just taught in the Puerto Rican schools but was the language of
    instruction there as well, so he had a fair grasp of English. But
    when he spoke Spanish, there were occasionally snippets of
    English: "Vamanos a camping" or "a la izquierdo a la supermarket".

    (His comment about the Great Depression not looking different than
    life had been all along in Puerto Rico makes me think that
    "camping" wasn't a big concept when he was speaking Spanish down
    there. And he talks about clerking in a grocery store in new York
    when a woman asked him for "thyme". Not surprisingly, "thyme"
    wasn't in the basic English vocabulary taught in Puerto Rico, but
    "time" was so as you might imagine, this led to some confusion.)

    Anyway, this book is a 60-page essay followed by a 170-page
    lexicon. I am not entirely convinced the lexicon is useful, and
    I'm sure it's not complete. The essay is written in what I think
    is supposed to look like Spanglish, but too often that just means
    Stavans will have an English phrase followed by its Spanish
    equivalent, or vice versa: "... in no way do I disagree with those
    who believe that Spanish and English should be spoken
    well--hablemoslos como se debe. ... Me gustan todas por igual; I
    like them all the same."

    And while I thought the comparison to yiddish was useful (if a bit
    obvious), he never even mentioned Ladino, which is to Spanish as
    Yiddish is to German. It may not be as familiar as Yiddish (okay,
    it's definitely not as familiar as Yiddish), but its relationship
    to Spanish would seem to warrant at least a passing mention.

    Stavans described riding in a taxi with an obviously Asian driver
    who was having no difficulty communicating with the dispatcher in
    Spanglish, reminding me of Neal Stephenson's SNOW CRASH with its
    "taxilinga": "He overrides the warning buzzer, jams the stereo
    over to Taxiscan, which cruises all the taxi-driver frequencies
    listening for interesting traffic. Can't understand a f***ing
    word. You could buy tapes, learn-while-you-drive, and learn to
    speak Taxilinga. It was essential, to get a job in that business.
    They said it was based on English but not one word in a hundred
    was recognizable. Still, you could get an idea. If there was
    trouble on this road, they'd be babbling about it in Taxilinga,
    give him some warning, let him take an alternate route so he
    wouldn't get [stuck in traffic]. Taxilinga is mellifluous babble
    with a few harsh foreign sounds, like butter spiced with broken
    glass." (Stephenson loved similes like Slovakian loves consonants,
    the more jarring the better.) [-ecl]

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