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Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it, from
discussion, but I've never watched the whole first serial.
Maybe I should.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
In article <MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it, from >discussion, but I've never watched the whole first serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Verily, in article <10ast4b$1uri$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it, from
discussion, but I've never watched the whole first serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know. It has all the >Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
Verily, in article <10ast4b$1uri$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article
<MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it,
from discussion, but I've never watched the whole first
serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know. It has
all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in its
concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we all
know and love... and it introduced us to a character who would
go on to become one of the most iconic figures in British
television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic, yet it's
effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become about. Which
in turn evolved into the modern era of the show... which could
almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in its
concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we all
know and love... and it introduced us to a character who would
go on to become one of the most iconic figures in British
television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic, yet it's
effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become about. Which
in turn evolved into the modern era of the show... which could
almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10ast4b$1uri$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article
<MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it,
from discussion, but I've never watched the whole first
serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know. It has
all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as well as
the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Verily, in article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in its
concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we all
know and love... and it introduced us to a character who would
go on to become one of the most iconic figures in British
television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic, yet it's
effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become about. Which
in turn evolved into the modern era of the show... which could
almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been scrubbed >pretty well, though I'll look further.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
In article
<MPG.433cb46642b4dd649899a1@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some
stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also
been scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
Huh??!!
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
In article <xn0pb4zig2j0pcx003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
That is what she said.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go f*k themselves then!
The Doctor wrote:
In article
<MPG.433cb46642b4dd649899a1@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some
stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also
been scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
Huh??!!
Speak to Stef Coburn... he's looking for compensation from
the BBC for the work his father did on those episodes back
in 1963.
Stef Coburn had some choice words about modern "Doctor Who"
too... especially the casting of Ncuti Gatwa! So it's likely
he won't be agreeing much with the BBC any time soon.
I don't care, I have the DVD... ;-)
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Verily, in article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
Agreed. Ten years is the usual cutoff.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Yep.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zig2j0pcx003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
That is what she said.
WHOOSH!
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
In article <MPG.433d96e654dee5689899a9@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
Agreed. Ten years is the usual cutoff.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Yep.
Including the patronising of 2 teachers forcing their way into the TARDIS?
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in its
concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we all
know and love... and it introduced us to a character who would
go on to become one of the most iconic figures in British
television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic, yet it's
effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become about. Which
in turn evolved into the modern era of the show... which could
almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in
it, from discussion, but I've never watched the whole
first serial.
Maybe I should.
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10ast4b$1uri$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article
<MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it,
from discussion, but I've never watched the whole first
serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know. It has
all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as well as
the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Verily, in article <10b0tdk$1nd1$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
I don't care about spoilers. I appreciate the consideration, but I
already know the characters and plot, so I doubt you could ruin anything
for me.
Please, just post anything you like about something broadcast so long
ago.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
Verily, in article <10b0teo$1nd1$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.433d96e654dee5689899a9@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
Agreed. Ten years is the usual cutoff.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Yep.
Including the patronising of 2 teachers forcing their way into the TARDIS?
Yes, I know Ian and Barbara are teachers who barged into the TARDIS
because they had nosy concerns about Susan, and I know that One was >frequently condescending. I already know the story and characters.
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go right ahead.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
On 22/09/2025 15:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
Have the BBC put it back on iPlayer?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 23/09/2025 15:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10ast4b$1uri$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article
<MPG.433b43fbe32af8bf989990@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <10arnn6$3co$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
You know, I never have. I know most of what happens in it,
from discussion, but I've never watched the whole first
serial.
Maybe I should.
Tubi has it last I checked.
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know. It has
all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as well as
the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Are you saying the McCoy is not part of the classic era?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 23/09/2025 15:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Are you saying the McCoy is not part of the classic era?
On 24/09/2025 14:13, Blueshirt wrote:
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so
that might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken
off the BBC iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC
does not own the
It was never on iPlayer when they put everything else up in
2023.
Last year Terror of the Zygons and the Seeds of Doom
both joined it.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a
good idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
I've already paid for An Unearthly Child and everything
else the BBC has made many times over.
I own it and so do all Licence fee payers.
On 22/09/2025 15:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hello Melissa, have you seen an Unearthly Child
and what are your impressions?
Have the BBC put it back on iPlayer?
On 23/09/2025 15:28, Blueshirt wrote:
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
Was that whole paragraph written by AI?
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
I can't remember if I recorded it when it was last broadcast
during the 50th anniversary, or even if it was broadcast. I
don't even know which hard drive it might be on or if I burned
it to DVD.
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid for with
my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
Verily, in article <10b0teo$1nd1$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/09/2025 15:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Are you saying the McCoy is not part of the classic era?
<face palm>
What is wrong with everyone here lately? Have they had a humour
bypass or something.
I think I need a holiday...
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10b0teo$1nd1$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
This should be interesting...
The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/09/2025 15:30, Blueshirt wrote:
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Are you saying the McCoy is not part of the classic era?
<face palm>
What is wrong with everyone here lately? Have they had a humour
bypass or something.
I think I need a holiday...
Verily, in article <xn0pb6gm241u7hy000@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/09/2025 15:30, Blueshirt wrote:
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
Are you saying the McCoy is not part of the classic era?
<face palm>
What is wrong with everyone here lately? Have they had a humour
bypass or something.
I think I need a holiday...
I started feeling sorry for you after the second one. :)
Don't worry; I understood you.
----
Trustworthy words are not pretty;
Pretty words are not trustworthy.
-Lao-Tzu spoke those pretty words.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zig2j0pcx003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
That is what she said.
WHOOSH!
On 24/09/2025 11:30 pm, Blueshirt wrote:^^^^^<-PAedophile talker noted
The Doctor wrote:Yes, cause I very much doubt that Binky has ever heard Melissa say
In article <xn0pb4zig2j0pcx003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Yeah, it has the entire classic show as far as I know.
It has all the Doctors from One to Seven, at least.
In other words, it has the classic era of the show... as
well as the Sylvester McCoy era!
;-)
That is what she said.
WHOOSH!
anything .... EVERY!!
And he has not caught on to your not considering that Sylvester AS >ClassicWho!!
----
Daniel70
On 24/09/2025 14:13, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
It was never on iPlayer when they put everything else up in 2023. Last
year Terror of the Zygons and the Seeds of Doom both joined it.
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
This is why torrents are a good thing which should be encouraged.
Remember that it is not illegal to download copyrighted content. If you
were never going to pay for it then you are not depriving the copyright holder of any money, greedy scum that they are. I've already paid for An Unearthly Child and everything else the BBC has made many times over. I
own it and so do all Licence fee payers.
The Doctor wrote:
In article
<MPG.433cb46642b4dd649899a1@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some
stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also
been scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
Huh??!!
Speak to Stef Coburn... he's looking for compensation from
the BBC for the work his father did on those episodes back
in 1963.
Stef Coburn had some choice words about modern "Doctor Who"
too... especially the casting of Ncuti Gatwa! So it's likely
he won't be agreeing much with the BBC any time soon.
I don't care, I have the DVD... ;-)
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10b0teo$1nd1$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
This should be interesting...
Verily, in article <10b0tdk$1nd1$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
I don't care about spoilers. I appreciate the consideration, but I
already know the characters and plot, so I doubt you could ruin anything
for me.
Please, just post anything you like about something broadcast so long
ago.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 23/09/2025 15:28, Blueshirt wrote:
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
Was that whole paragraph written by AI?
Crikey! (The answer is no though.)
Ask Quillbot or ZeroGPT...
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
I can't remember if I recorded it when it was last broadcast
during the 50th anniversary, or even if it was broadcast. I
don't even know which hard drive it might be on or if I burned
it to DVD.
A "Doctor Who" fan who doesn't make a list of the contents of
his hard drives, or put his television show archive onto an
Excel spreadsheet? Wow! How disorganised you are.
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid for with
my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story in its
entirety...
On 25/09/2025 12:16 am, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10b0tdk$1nd1$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, didOh!! Melissa, you spoil-sport, you!!
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
I don't care about spoilers. I appreciate the consideration, but I
already know the characters and plot, so I doubt you could ruin anything
for me.
Please, just post anything you like about something broadcast so long
ago.
Binky was wanting you to post that you knew nothing what so ever about
the 'Doctor Who' episode "An Unearthly Child" because then Binky could
hide behind not wanting to spoil things for you. ;-P
Then he wouldn't have to embarrass himself with how little he does
actually know.
On 25/09/2025 12:42 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/09/2025 14:13, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
.... so, it could be argued, that your downloading it from Tubi/wherever *IS* legal ..... but I, for one, have NEVER paid for it (Beta/VHS/DVD)I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
It was never on iPlayer when they put everything else up in 2023. Last
year Terror of the Zygons and the Seeds of Doom both joined it.
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
This is why torrents are a good thing which should be encouraged.
Remember that it is not illegal to download copyrighted content. If
you were never going to pay for it then you are not depriving the
copyright holder of any money, greedy scum that they are. I've already
paid for An Unearthly Child and everything else the BBC has made many
times over. I own it and so do all Licence fee payers.
so my downloading it SHOULD be illegal!!
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare" element
On 23/09/2025 15:28, Blueshirt wrote:
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
Was that whole paragraph written by AI?
Crikey! (The answer is no though.)
Ask Quillbot or ZeroGPT...
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
I can't remember if I recorded it when it was last broadcast
during the 50th anniversary, or even if it was broadcast. I
don't even know which hard drive it might be on or if I burned
it to DVD.
A "Doctor Who" fan who doesn't make a list of the contents of
his hard drives, or put his television show archive onto an
Excel spreadsheet? Wow! How disorganised you are.
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid for with
my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story in its
entirety...
on tape-wear in there as well.
In article <xn0pb6hcg42wdak004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
This should be interesting...
Check new thread.
And he has not caught on to your not considering
that Sylvester AS ClassicWho!!
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid
for with my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story
in its entirety...
And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare"
element on tape-wear in there as well.
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare"
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid
for with my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story
in its entirety...
element on tape-wear in there as well.
The BBC wouldn't be replacing anybodies VHS tapes anyway...
that's not their job.
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
On 25/09/2025 12:42 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/09/2025 14:13, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
.... so, it could be argued, that your downloading it from Tubi/wherever >*IS* legal ..... but I, for one, have NEVER paid for it (Beta/VHS/DVD)I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
It was never on iPlayer when they put everything else up in 2023. Last
year Terror of the Zygons and the Seeds of Doom both joined it.
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
This is why torrents are a good thing which should be encouraged.
Remember that it is not illegal to download copyrighted content. If you
were never going to pay for it then you are not depriving the copyright
holder of any money, greedy scum that they are. I've already paid for An
Unearthly Child and everything else the BBC has made many times over. I
own it and so do all Licence fee payers.
so my downloading it SHOULD be illegal!!
--
Daniel70
On 24/09/2025 11:20 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:Selfish thinking of you, Blueshirt!! ;-P
In article
<MPG.433cb46642b4dd649899a1@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so it's
definitely something that a fan should watch at some
stage...
I tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also
been scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
Huh??!!
Speak to Stef Coburn... he's looking for compensation from
the BBC for the work his father did on those episodes back
in 1963.
Stef Coburn had some choice words about modern "Doctor Who"
too... especially the casting of Ncuti Gatwa! So it's likely
he won't be agreeing much with the BBC any time soon.
I don't care, I have the DVD... ;-)
----
Daniel70
On 25/09/2025 12:16 am, The True Melissa wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
Verily, in article <10b0tdk$1nd1$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, didOh!! Melissa, you spoil-sport, you!!
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
I don't care about spoilers. I appreciate the consideration, but I
already know the characters and plot, so I doubt you could ruin anything
for me.
Please, just post anything you like about something broadcast so long
ago.
Binky was wanting you to post that you knew nothing what so ever about
the 'Doctor Who' episode "An Unearthly Child" because then Binky could^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
hide behind not wanting to spoil things for you. ;-P--
Then he wouldn't have to embarrass himself with how little he does
actually know.
--
Daniel70
On 25/09/2025 10:37 pm, Daniel70 wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
On 25/09/2025 12:16 am, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <10b0tdk$1nd1$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>, didOh!! Melissa, you spoil-sport, you!!
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <xn0pb6cgp3w9jas003@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb4zet2ivff9002@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
And some of my opinions might be spoilers.
Post them anyway... the story was broadcast in 1963.
It's rare that you have opinions about "Doctor Who" episodes,
bar your usual one-line sound bites, so don't spoil our
enjoyment by not posting them when you do have them!
I'm sure Melissa knows the basics of the story anyway...
Melissa what information do you have?
I don't care about spoilers. I appreciate the consideration, but I
already know the characters and plot, so I doubt you could ruin anything >>> for me.
Please, just post anything you like about something broadcast so long
ago.
Binky was wanting you to post that you knew nothing what so ever about
the 'Doctor Who' episode "An Unearthly Child" because then Binky could
hide behind not wanting to spoil things for you. ;-P
Then he wouldn't have to embarrass himself with how little he does
actually know.
.... and I note that Binky DID post a review of "An Unearthly Child" Part 1.
----
Daniel70
On 25/09/2025 13:26, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/09/2025 12:42 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 24/09/2025 14:13, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
.... so, it could be argued, that your downloading it from Tubi/whereverI tried, but turns out it's not on Tubi. YouTube has also been
scrubbed pretty well, though I'll look further.
There are rights issues surrounding "An Unearthly Child" so that
might be the reason it's not on Tubi... it was taken off the BBC
iPlayer a couple of years ago because the BBC does not own the
It was never on iPlayer when they put everything else up in 2023. Last
year Terror of the Zygons and the Seeds of Doom both joined it.
entire copyright. So it probably affects every service that has
deals with the BBC.
That's why having physical releases of stories is still a good
idea. Rights issues can go fuck themselves then!
This is why torrents are a good thing which should be encouraged.
Remember that it is not illegal to download copyrighted content. If
you were never going to pay for it then you are not depriving the
copyright holder of any money, greedy scum that they are. I've already
paid for An Unearthly Child and everything else the BBC has made many
times over. I own it and so do all Licence fee payers.
*IS* legal ..... but I, for one, have NEVER paid for it (Beta/VHS/DVD)
so my downloading it SHOULD be illegal!!
Not if you were never going to pay for it. The copyright holder would
have to prove that you have deprived them of revenue. If you downloaded
it without paying for it and then sold it then you would be violating >copyright. If you gave it away to someone who was never going to pay for
it you wouldn't. If you bought it legally and sold it to someone else
you would not be violating copyright either. If you bought it legally,
made multiple copies of it and gave it away for free to others who were >never going to pay for it, there's no copyright violation. If you bought
it legally and screened it to your friends in your home and charged them
to watch it there's no copyright violation. If you bought it legally and >broadcast it so anyone could watch it you would be violating copyright
since anyone can watch it including those who would have paid for it if
they didn't already own it, assuming of course people watched it. If
they didn't watch it there's no copyright violation. If you bought it >legally, made a copy of it and broadcast the copy, apparently that's >copyright violation even if broadcasting the original source would be
legal. It's like paying a plumber to install some pipes and then
replacing one of the pipes that sprang a leak yourself and then having
to pay the original plumber again for work he never did for work that
either you or a different plumber carried out. Time for copyright to be >abolished I think.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 25/09/2025 2:34 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:Wait!! Wait!!
Verily, in article <10b0teo$1nd1$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
This should be interesting...
----
Daniel70
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare" element
On 23/09/2025 15:28, Blueshirt wrote:
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
Was that whole paragraph written by AI?
Crikey! (The answer is no though.)
Ask Quillbot or ZeroGPT...
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
I can't remember if I recorded it when it was last broadcast
during the 50th anniversary, or even if it was broadcast. I
don't even know which hard drive it might be on or if I burned
it to DVD.
A "Doctor Who" fan who doesn't make a list of the contents of
his hard drives, or put his television show archive onto an
Excel spreadsheet? Wow! How disorganised you are.
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid for with
my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story in its
entirety...
on tape-wear in there as well.
----
Daniel70
On 25/09/2025 13:43, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare" element
On 23/09/2025 15:28, Blueshirt wrote:
You should, that first story in 1963 was ground breaking in
its concepts, setting up the structure of the series that we
all know and love... and it introduced us to a character who
would go on to become one of the most iconic figures in
British television history. "An Unearthly Child" is basic,
yet it's effective in showing what "Doctor Who" would become
about. Which in turn evolved into the modern era of the
show... which could almost be a different show.
Was that whole paragraph written by AI?
Crikey! (The answer is no though.)
Ask Quillbot or ZeroGPT...
But, "An Unearthly Child" is where it all started, so
it's definitely something that a fan should watch at
some stage...
I can't remember if I recorded it when it was last broadcast
during the 50th anniversary, or even if it was broadcast. I
don't even know which hard drive it might be on or if I burned
it to DVD.
A "Doctor Who" fan who doesn't make a list of the contents of
his hard drives, or put his television show archive onto an
Excel spreadsheet? Wow! How disorganised you are.
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid for with
my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story in its
entirety...
on tape-wear in there as well.
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just the original
pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I have no idea now which tape
it's on, or even if I can play it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS
tapes decades ago when DVD came out. I am still owed DVD copies by the
BBC of the Doctor Who tapes I legally bought.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb6hcg42wdak004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
If you want to post thoughts on An Unearthly Child, go
right ahead.
This should be interesting...
Check new thread.
I did, and all I saw was a poorly written review of episode
one... HOWEVER, at least you tried, so well done. <claps>
Why couldn't you have contributed something similar when
Melissa was doing the "Watch Party"? It died a death because
people didn't join in, or contribute their thoughts.
Daniel70 wrote:
And he has not caught on to your not considering
that Sylvester AS ClassicWho!!
Joking apart, it's not a classic era of the show.
The Sylvester McCoy era of "Doctor Who" was nothing
but a pantomime... and it was so bad it got the show
cancelled.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare"
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid
for with my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story
in its entirety...
element on tape-wear in there as well.
The BBC wouldn't be replacing anybodies VHS tapes anyway...
that's not their job.
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I have >already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is obliged
to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost price.
They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to them.
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
Parlophone or whoever owns Apple Records now which I think is Universal >Music through Capitol Records or some other label. Parlophone was sold
to Warner without the Beatles catalogue being included.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 25/09/2025 20:32, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/09/2025 2:30 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:And I would have thought there would be a "Fair Wear and Tare"
Can the BBC replace my legitimate copy which I paid
for with my TV licence by putting it back on iPlayer?
No, because the BBC don't own the copyright to that story
in its entirety...
element on tape-wear in there as well.
The BBC wouldn't be replacing anybodies VHS tapes anyway...
that's not their job.
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
Like the very first ever episode? What is the use of watching the stuff
on iPlayer without that or Terror of the Zygons and The Seeds of Doom?
Without Terror of the Zygons the cliffhanger at the end of Revenge of
the Cybermen remains unexplained.
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An Unearthly Child
how can their claim the don't have the rights to it, or is that missing
from The Daleks as well?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor
Who tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a
free DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes
shipping. I have already paid for the right to watch the
recording so the BBC is obliged to send me the DVD at cost
price instead of making me pay twice.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at
cost price. They should not make you pay again for the right
to listen to them.
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
Parlophone or whoever owns Apple Records now which I think is
Universal Music through Capitol Records or some other label.
Parlophone was sold to Warner without the Beatles catalogue
being included.
On 25/09/2025 20:32, Blueshirt wrote:
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
Like the very first ever episode? What is the use of watching
the stuff on iPlayer without that or Terror of the Zygons and
The Seeds of Doom?
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the rights
to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
In article <xn0pb80oy3ea6nc003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Why couldn't you have contributed something similar when
Melissa was doing the "Watch Party"? It died a death because
people didn't join in, or contribute their thoughts.
Or just was not interested, or the timing was wrong.
In article <xn0pb800m3db25m000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
And he has not caught on to your not considering
that Sylvester AS ClassicWho!!
Joking apart, it's not a classic era of the show.
The Sylvester McCoy era of "Doctor Who" was nothing
but a pantomime... and it was so bad it got the show
cancelled.
Flame warfare now active.
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is obliged
to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost price.
They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to them.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:32, Blueshirt wrote:
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
Like the very first ever episode? What is the use of watching
the stuff on iPlayer without that or Terror of the Zygons and
The Seeds of Doom?
For "An Unearthly Child", speak to Stef Coburn...
Although funnily enough, judging by his comments on the casting
of Ncuti Gatwa and Jinkx Monsoon, as well as his thoughts on the
modern day BBC, I'd say you two would get along well.
For the other two stories, I believe it's the estate of Robert
Banks Stewart that has the issue...
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the rights
to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly Child" in
regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put "streaming
distribution" into the small print of the contracts back in 1963!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb80oy3ea6nc003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Why couldn't you have contributed something similar when
Melissa was doing the "Watch Party"? It died a death because
people didn't join in, or contribute their thoughts.
Or just was not interested, or the timing was wrong.
Fair enough, I would have had an issue with finding the time
as well. Especially for the six episode stories, which don't
work well being watched back to back anyway.
Plus I'll be away for the next two weekends so I wouldn't have
been able to contribute even if Melissa's "Watch Party" had
continued. But I liked the idea of trying to get people here
engaged. RADW is our community, we should at least try and keep
it alive.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb800m3db25m000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
And he has not caught on to your not considering
that Sylvester AS ClassicWho!!
Joking apart, it's not a classic era of the show.
The Sylvester McCoy era of "Doctor Who" was nothing
but a pantomime... and it was so bad it got the show
cancelled.
Flame warfare now active.
I haven't changed my opinion on that era of the show in 35
years, so nothing anybody can say now will make a difference.
I lived through it, it was awful. If others liked that
period of the show, good for them. Each to their own...
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I have
already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
On 2025-09-26 6:38 a.m., Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I am always curious what world Aggy lives in, expecting a lifetime
upgrade for a VHS tape purchase?-a Does he expect BBC to replace his VCR with a DVD player as well?
By this "logic" HP owes me a new laptop every three years.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor
Who tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a
free DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes
shipping. I have already paid for the right to watch the
recording so the BBC is obliged to send me the DVD at cost
price instead of making me pay twice.
I will send you any "Doctor Who" DVD that I still own for -u1
and whatever the shipping is.
In fact I think I offered you one FREE a few months ago and
you never responded. (I can't remember what story we were
talking about at the time.) But yeah, -u1 each is a fair price
for something that's currently just sitting in a plastic box on
top of a wardrobe in the spare room.
So if you want a DVD upgrade, you only have to ask.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at
cost price. They should not make you pay again for the right
to listen to them.
I think we both know how that would go if I sent them an e-mail
saying that!
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
Parlophone or whoever owns Apple Records now which I think is
Universal Music through Capitol Records or some other label.
Parlophone was sold to Warner without the Beatles catalogue
being included.
Parlopone is the label of some of my original Beatles LP's...
these are not 2025 re-issues!!! (LiB is Apple alright.) They
are in very bad shape though, so deffo in need of an upgrade.
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I have
already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:32, Blueshirt wrote:
Plus, they have provided every episode of "Doctor Who", that
they are able to, on their streaming service for licence fee
payers in the UK. It's not their fault if a rights holder
refuses them permission to make certain episodes available.
Like the very first ever episode? What is the use of watching
the stuff on iPlayer without that or Terror of the Zygons and
The Seeds of Doom?
For "An Unearthly Child", speak to Stef Coburn...
Although funnily enough, judging by his comments on the casting
of Ncuti Gatwa and Jinkx Monsoon, as well as his thoughts on the
modern day BBC, I'd say you two would get along well.
For the other two stories, I believe it's the estate of Robert
Banks Stewart that has the issue...
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the rights
to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly Child" in
regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put "streaming
distribution" into the small print of the contracts back in 1963!
On 26/09/2025 12:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Parlophone or whoever owns Apple Records now which I think
is Universal Music through Capitol Records or some other
label. Parlophone was sold to Warner without the Beatles
catalogue being included.
Parlopone is the label of some of my original Beatles LP's...
these are not 2025 re-issues!!! (LiB is Apple alright.) They
are in very bad shape though, so deffo in need of an upgrade.
If they are the originals they might be worth more than the
upgrade. Not so for Doctor Who VHS tapes.
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the
rights to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
In article <xn0pb92c56mpm7o005@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb800m3db25m000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Sylvester McCoy era of "Doctor Who" was nothing
but a pantomime... and it was so bad it got the show
cancelled.
Flame warfare now active.
I haven't changed my opinion on that era of the show in 35
years, so nothing anybody can say now will make a
difference. I lived through it, it was awful. If others
liked that period of the show, good for them. Each to their
own...
McCoy did not deserve the fate of Cancellation.
Whittaker and Chibnall deserve retconning.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the
rights to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or they
wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to put "An
Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he didn't get
the compensation he wanted for his agreement and said no, not
put it up for streaming on their service.
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as simple
as you seem to think it is!
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the contract
to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer streaming sixty
years later in the small print... so its their lack of foresight
on this issue that has caused the problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame
on them!!!
On 26/09/2025 17:31, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or
they wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to
put "An Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he
didn't get the compensation he wanted for his agreement and
said no, not put it up for streaming on their service.
It it out on Blu-Ray? It seems the Tom Baker Season 13
Blu-Rays have been delayed by from June to October. Maybe the
BBC don't have permission to include Terror of the Zygons and
The Seeds of Doom on them either.
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as
simple as you seem to think it is!
It's as I explained
which is why the BBC own the rights to all of Star Trek
TOS in Europe no matter if it's broadcast on terrestrial,
satellite, or cable, or released on VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray
or as a digital download or streamed despite most of these
systems not existing at the time the BBC were sold the
rights. I don't think they were sold the novelisation rights,
but then again... And I'm not sure about the video game
rights. I don't think my Star Trek TOS DOS game ever mentions
the BBC.
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the
contract to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer
streaming sixty years later in the small print... so its
their lack of foresight on this issue that has caused the
problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame on them!!!
The BBC never mentioned VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray but they still
own the rights to those despite them probably not mentioning
Film distribution in the contract either. The Coburn estate
probably doesn't want the BBC distributing the story on any of
these formats either, or it being shown on TV.
At a guess, and it is only a guess, I imagine Paramount want all
of its Star Trek shows on its own streaming service, so as
licences expire the will leave other services one by one and end
up on Paramount+... if they have not already done so.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 17:31, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or
they wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to
put "An Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he
didn't get the compensation he wanted for his agreement and
said no, not put it up for streaming on their service.
It it out on Blu-Ray? It seems the Tom Baker Season 13
Blu-Rays have been delayed by from June to October. Maybe the
BBC don't have permission to include Terror of the Zygons and
The Seeds of Doom on them either.
I have already told you it is about the STREAMING rights... this
was covered in the news reports at the time those two "Doctor
Who" stories were removed from the BBC iPlayer. It has nothing
to do with the DVD/Blu-Ray releases. So clearly in this modern
world we live in now streaming rights are a different thing
entirely and have to be re-negotiated with rights holders.
If the BBC didn't need the rights holder's permission to put
something on the iPlayer, they wouldn't ask for it! That is
logical, is it not?
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as
simple as you seem to think it is!
It's as I explained
You are wrong though. What you said might have been the case,
but things have changed in recent years. (Possibly since
Paramount launched its own streaming service.)
which is why the BBC own the rights to all of Star Trek
TOS in Europe no matter if it's broadcast on terrestrial,
satellite, or cable, or released on VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray
or as a digital download or streamed despite most of these
systems not existing at the time the BBC were sold the
rights. I don't think they were sold the novelisation rights,
but then again... And I'm not sure about the video game
rights. I don't think my Star Trek TOS DOS game ever mentions
the BBC.
The BBC can't - and don't - show Star Trek: TOS on the iPlayer.
They do not have the streaming rights for it in the UK.
It's either on Netflix or Paramount+ over there now... you can
check yourself... I've a suitcase to pack for the morning.
At a guess, and it is only a guess, I imagine Paramount want all
of its Star Trek shows on its own streaming service, so as
licences expire the will leave other services one by one and end
up on Paramount+... if they have not already done so.
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the
contract to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer
streaming sixty years later in the small print... so its
their lack of foresight on this issue that has caused the
problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame on them!!!
The BBC never mentioned VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray but they still
own the rights to those despite them probably not mentioning
Film distribution in the contract either. The Coburn estate
probably doesn't want the BBC distributing the story on any of
these formats either, or it being shown on TV.
If you'd paid attention you'd know it was it's about the
streaming rights for "An Unearthly Child" and nothing else.
(Well, nothing else except money!!!) Stef Coburn has been--
quite vocal about his objections. Google is your friend.
On 26/09/2025 10:44 pm, Idlehands wrote:
On 2025-09-26 6:38 a.m., Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:You paid your money, you got your copy.
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice. >>>
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I am always curious what world Aggy lives in, expecting a lifetime
upgrade for a VHS tape purchase?-a Does he expect BBC to replace his VCR
with a DVD player as well?
Now there's a point!
By this "logic" HP owes me a new laptop every three years.Me, too!! Even if I did spill coca-cola over the keyboard!!
----
Daniel70
On 26/09/2025 12:04, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor
Who tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a
free DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes
shipping. I have already paid for the right to watch the
recording so the BBC is obliged to send me the DVD at cost
price instead of making me pay twice.
I will send you any "Doctor Who" DVD that I still own for -u1
and whatever the shipping is.
In fact I think I offered you one FREE a few months ago and
you never responded. (I can't remember what story we were
talking about at the time.) But yeah, -u1 each is a fair price
for something that's currently just sitting in a plastic box on
top of a wardrobe in the spare room.
So if you want a DVD upgrade, you only have to ask.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at
cost price. They should not make you pay again for the right
to listen to them.
I think we both know how that would go if I sent them an e-mail
saying that!
If you sent them the email then you can show it in court to prove you
have not violated any copyright laws when you download backup copies,
just like I am allowed to download backup copies of the episodes of
Doctor Who that I own on VHS so I will not be needing the DVDs to fill
up yet another box on the floor.
Maybe I should send an entitled e-mail to Parlophone?
Parlophone or whoever owns Apple Records now which I think is
Universal Music through Capitol Records or some other label.
Parlophone was sold to Warner without the Beatles catalogue
being included.
Parlopone is the label of some of my original Beatles LP's...
these are not 2025 re-issues!!! (LiB is Apple alright.) They
are in very bad shape though, so deffo in need of an upgrade.
If they are the originals they might be worth more than the upgrade. Not
so for Doctor Who VHS tapes.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 26/09/2025 13:38, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I have >>> already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I have
no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you own.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb92c56mpm7o005@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0pb800m3db25m000@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Sylvester McCoy era of "Doctor Who" was nothing
but a pantomime... and it was so bad it got the show
cancelled.
Flame warfare now active.
I haven't changed my opinion on that era of the show in 35
years, so nothing anybody can say now will make a
difference. I lived through it, it was awful. If others
liked that period of the show, good for them. Each to their
own...
McCoy did not deserve the fate of Cancellation.
Personally I'd have liked to see the show continue with a
new Doctor... but the BBC had had enough and wanted to spend
the show's budget elsewhere. That's life.
Whittaker and Chibnall deserve retconning.
They both left and the show moved on... maybe try doing the same?
"Doctor Who" is a book made up of many chapters, some are
enjoyable, some are not... but it's a never ending story so
we'll see what the next chapter brings.
On 26/09/2025 17:31, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the
rights to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or they
wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to put "An
Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he didn't get
the compensation he wanted for his agreement and said no, not
put it up for streaming on their service.
It it out on Blu-Ray? It seems the Tom Baker Season 13 Blu-Rays have
been delayed by from June to October. Maybe the BBC don't have
permission to include Terror of the Zygons and The Seeds of Doom on them >either.
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as simple
as you seem to think it is!
It's as I explained which is why the BBC own the rights to all of Star
Trek TOS in Europe no matter if it's broadcast on terrestrial,
satellite, or cable, or released on VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray or as a digital >download or streamed despite most of these systems not existing at the
time the BBC were sold the rights. I don't think they were sold the >novelisation rights, but then again... And I'm not sure about the video
game rights. I don't think my Star Trek TOS DOS game ever mentions the BBC.
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the contract
to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer streaming sixty
years later in the small print... so its their lack of foresight
on this issue that has caused the problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame
on them!!!
The BBC never mentioned VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray but they still own the
rights to those despite them probably not mentioning Film distribution
in the contract either. The Coburn estate probably doesn't want the BBC >distributing the story on any of these formats either, or it being shown
on TV.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote:
Whittaker and Chibnall deserve retconning.
They both left and the show moved on... maybe try doing the same?
"Doctor Who" is a book made up of many chapters, some are
enjoyable, some are not... but it's a never ending story so
we'll see what the next chapter brings.
On 26/09/2025 13:38, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I have
no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you own.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the
rights to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or they
wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to put "An
Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he didn't get
the compensation he wanted for his agreement and said no, not
put it up for streaming on their service.
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as simple
as you seem to think it is!
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the contract
to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer streaming sixty
years later in the small print... so its their lack of foresight
on this issue that has caused the problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame
on them!!!
On 27/09/2025 2:40 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
<Snip>
Oh!! Come on, Blueshirt. That could be The Bible that you are discussing >there!! ;-P That's Binky's territory.Whittaker and Chibnall deserve retconning.
They both left and the show moved on... maybe try doing the same?
"Doctor Who" is a book made up of many chapters, some are
enjoyable, some are not... but it's a never ending story so
we'll see what the next chapter brings.
----
Daniel70
On 27/09/2025 12:47 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 13:38, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:You paid your money, you got your copy.
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay twice. >>>
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I have
no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
So why would you want the BBC to supply you new copies of those tapes??
I mean, that's what you brought so that would be all the BBC should have
to supply surely!!
--So why didn't you make your (legal) back-ups??If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you own. >>
--
Daniel70
On 27/09/2025 2:31 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:Perhaps ..... If they had had a TARDIS back then .....!
On 26/09/2025 12:03, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
If the BBC can reprise the cliffhanger at the end of An
Unearthly Child how can their claim the don't have the
rights to it, or is that missing from The Daleks as well?
The BBC don't have the entire rights for "An Unearthly
Child" in regards to streaming, as nobody thought to put
"streaming distribution" into the small print of the
contracts back in 1963!
Streaming, like distribution on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray, is legally
inferred by default in the original contract unless it is
explicitly ruled out in the contract.
Methinks the BBC and its lawyers don't agree with you! Or they
wouldn't have needed the permission of Stef Coburn to put "An
Unearthly Child" up on the iPlayer... and when he didn't get
the compensation he wanted for his agreement and said no, not
put it up for streaming on their service.
If you wish to supply legal advice to the BBC on this issue,
send them an e-mail. But at a guess I don't think it's as simple
as you seem to think it is!
Clearly the people at the BBC who gave his father the contract
to sign in 1963 neglected to mention iPlayer streaming sixty
years later in the small print... so its their lack of foresight
on this issue that has caused the problem. Typical BBC eh? Shame
on them!!!
----
Daniel70
On 27/09/2025 12:47 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 13:38, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC is
obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me pay
twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and over
and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself
one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I have
no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
So why would you want the BBC to supply you new copies of those tapes??
I mean, that's what you brought so that would be all the BBC should have
to supply surely!!
So why didn't you make your (legal) back-ups??If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you
own.
On 27/09/2025 12:47 am, The True Doctor wrote:<CHOP>
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I have
no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
So why would you want the BBC to supply you new copies of those tapes??
I mean, that's what you brought so that would be all the BBC should have
to supply surely!!
So why didn't you make your (legal) back-ups??If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen to
them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you
own.
On 27/09/2025 13:36, Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/09/2025 12:47 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 26/09/2025 13:38, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/09/2025 7:22 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 25/09/2025 20:30, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I think I made a copy of it on VHS too, or was that just
the original pilot when it was broadcast... Either way I
have no idea now which tape it's on, or even if I can play
it back. I stopped cataloguing my VHS tapes decades ago when
DVD came out.
I am still owed DVD copies by the BBC of the Doctor Who
tapes I legally bought.
That's not how buying something works. You don't get a free
DVD upgrade just because you bought the VHS tape.
I will pay -u1 for each replacement DVD which includes shipping. I
have already paid for the right to watch the recording so the BBC
is obliged to send me the DVD at cost price instead of making me
pay twice.
You paid your money, you got your copy.
Is it the BBC's fault if you actually watched the Video over and
over and over again ...... or did you pay the extra bucks and get
yourself one of those Gold Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or
something??
I didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I
have no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
So why would you want the BBC to supply you new copies of those
tapes?? I mean, that's what you brought so that would be all the BBC
should have to supply surely!!
More expedience yet again of your total lack of comprehension. I never suggested the BBC send me new copies of those tapes. I said the BBC is obliged to provide me with new copies of the stories on DVD or Blu-Ray
at cost price of printing the discs (about 30 pence each) plus shipping since I have already paid for the right to watch them.
So why didn't you make your (legal) back-ups??If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen
to them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you
own.
With what? I have the right to a backup. That backup is waiting for me
on bittorrent if the BBC will not provide me with it.
On 2025-09-27 6:36 a.m., Daniel70 wrote:
On 27/09/2025 12:47 am, The True Doctor wrote:<CHOP>
So now BBC is supposed to supply brand new DVDs and a television forI didn't wear out the tapes. The issue is I don't have a TV and I
have no idea if my video recorder can still play them.
So why would you want the BBC to supply you new copies of those
tapes?? I mean, that's what you brought so that would be all the BBC
should have to supply surely!!
Aggy?-a I seem to be detecting a butt load of entitlement here.
--So why didn't you make your (legal) back-ups??If it did work that way I'd love shiny new CD copies of my
Beatles LP's as they are a bit scratchy and hissy now!!!
Apple Records are obliged to send you replacement copies at cost
price. They should not make you pay again for the right to listen
to them.
Why?? Did you pay the extra bucks and get yourself one of those Gold
Plated "Good for Life" Guarantees or something??
The law says you are entitled to make backup copies to everything you
own.
That's BBC's job, after all he did spend his hard earned money on this
and should be catered to.....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.