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Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

Lynn

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On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html
--
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On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

"It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the
manufacturer can patch remote exploits." - Randall Munroe
--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.
- Mark Twain
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In article <ml852sFtme9U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

"It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the >manufacturer can patch remote exploits." - Randall Munroe

http://columbiaclosings.com/pix/memes/just_say_no.png
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
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On 15/10/25 14:53, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

In article <ml852sFtme9U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html


"It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the
manufacturer can patch remote exploits." - Randall Munroe

http://columbiaclosings.com/pix/memes/just_say_no.png

That was funny but scary.
Earlier this year the Ford motorcar company was successfully prosecuted
for their illegal recording of all in car conversations without the
knowledge of occupants.
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On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Lynn

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 16:14:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

Do they at least move to the side of the road and shut down the
vehicle while doing so?
Or do they just let the vehicle go merrily on by itself while the
update is being done?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On 15 Oct 2025 01:53:58 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
<tednolan>) wrote:

In article <ml852sFtme9U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

"It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the >>manufacturer can patch remote exploits." - Randall Munroe

http://columbiaclosings.com/pix/memes/just_say_no.png

So much for the wired home.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps u while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail u some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.
I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.
This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get. (Currently, I can walk to the stores I
need to get to. And use Amazon for what they don't have. But who can
say what the future holds?)
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

That sucks.

In my Tesla, it does need WiFi connectivity to download an OTA update,
but I could just park near Starbucks or use the hotspot on my phone
if I didn't want to give it the house WiFi.

It will download updates autonomously, but it won't apply them
until I tell it to. I typically do so at 11:30 PM (which is the
default time it offers). Takes about 45 minutes.

pt
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On 10/14/2025 9:53 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:

In article <ml852sFtme9U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html


"It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the
manufacturer can patch remote exploits." - Randall Munroe

http://columbiaclosings.com/pix/memes/just_say_no.png

What worse is when the manufacturer has features which,
for no reason but reducing cost, cant be accessed by any
means except through the device specific app.

pt


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On 10/15/2025 12:11 PM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 16:14:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

Do they at least move to the side of the road and shut down the
vehicle while doing so?

Or do they just let the vehicle go merrily on by itself while the
update is being done?

My car doesn't apply updates until I tell it to. It will download
them, and let me know they're available, but I have control over
when they're done.

pt
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On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know if any are also offering to go off
afterwards to park or recharge themselves.
Though I suppose that the current autonomous
taxis in some cities must be doing something
like that?

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles
run on in the future Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" -
they could be powered from the road - but with
a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until
a series of catasrophes reduces the population
cumulatively?), they just live in their vehicle.
And with not enough parking space either - these
are literal mobile homes.

Unless I imagined this. Somebody did.

They may have been called mo-pads?
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Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get. (Currently, I can walk to the stores I
need to get to. And use Amazon for what they don't have. But who can
say what the future holds?)

We have fairly decent public transit here. And a cab to most places I
want to go is $10, including a decent tip. Or $15 for an Uber.

Transit downtown to the University takes just over an hour, cab back is
twenty minutes and costs $50. Or $40 by Uber.

All in C$.

William Hyde

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On 2025-10-15 19:47:20 +0000, Robert Carnegie said:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know if any are also offering to go off afterwards to park or recharge themselves. Though I suppose that the current autonomous taxis
in some cities must be doing something like that?

There have been news stories about idiotic self-driving cars /
robo-taxis that have caused issues. There was one were lots of them all
seemed to congregate in a particular street, often honking their horns,
etc. which annoyed the people living there.

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles run on in the future
Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" - they could be powered from the road - but
with a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until a series of catasrophes reduces the population cumulatively?), they just live in
their vehicle. And with not enough parking space either - these are
literal mobile homes.

Unless I imagined this. Somebody did.

They may have been called mo-pads?

There are trials in various countries of electric cars that are
continuously charged driving along the road, but such a scheme would be hideously expensive and distruptive while roads are dug up to bury the
cables and charging pads, so is unlikely to every happen except in
small specific areas.

Another option being trialled is wireless charging pads in parking spots.

The reality is that the silly greeny push towards electric cars creates
far more peoroblems than they "solve", and don't even solve the ones
claimed anyway.



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On 10/15/2025 11:11 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 16:14:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too. Very annoying.

Do they at least move to the side of the road and shut down the
vehicle while doing so?

Or do they just let the vehicle go merrily on by itself while the
update is being done?

One of the Ice Road Truckers episodes goes into a truck having a
mandatory regeneration issue and limping across the ice at 5 mph.

Lynn

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On 10/15/2025 3:47 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
-a-a-a-a-a https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too.-a Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-
driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Yeep indeed!

My car is currently downloading an OTA update, but it wont
install it until I give permission, and wouldn't do so while
driving.

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

I drive a Tesla with "Supervised Full Self driving". Yes, that's
a bit of a contradiction in terms.

I don't have the latest hardware or software. While I absolutely
have to ride herd on it, making sure its not messing up, for 99%
of the time on the road, it does just fine, and *greatly*
reduces driving fatigue. Its gotten noticeably better over the 6
months I've been using FSD.

The problems I've seen are failure to recognize emergency vehicles
and school busses, occasional use of the incorrect lanes at
intersections, and being super hesitant at unprotected left
turns. All of which are apparently addressed in v14 (I'm at v12)

I don't know if any are also offering to go off
afterwards to park or recharge themselves.
Though I suppose that the current autonomous
taxis in some cities must be doing something
like that?

The latest version (14.1), which I don't have, apparently
does have a 'banish' function, whereby you can cause it to
go out and find a parking spot
autonomously. I don't know in what circumstances it can
be used, or how well it works.

My car already has a 'summon' function, which allows me
to cause the car to leave parking and come to me, based
on the GPS location in my phone. It works, but its mostly
a party trick.

It can't charge itself. Apparently the cybercabs that
Tesla has been showing off can, by parking over an
inductive pad.

pt
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On 2025-10-16 01:52:22 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:

On 10/15/2025 3:47 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too.-a Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid >>>>> drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while- >>>>> driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Yeep indeed!

My car is currently downloading an OTA update, but it wont
install it until I give permission, and wouldn't do so while
driving.

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

Mainly because everything his companies build *is* bad and
unsurprisingly never match the lunatic Muskrat's claims.

I drive a Tesla with "Supervised Full Self driving". Yes, that's
a bit of a contradiction in terms.

I don't have the latest hardware or software. While I absolutely
have to ride herd on it, making sure its not messing up, for 99%
of the time on the road, it does just fine, and *greatly*
reduces driving fatigue.

Not if you using it properly it won't, since you *meant* to be paying
just as much attention as if you're driving ... you may as well just
drive it yourself anyway. A pointless waste of an extra NZ$11,000 to
have the idiocy included.

Its gotten noticeably better over the 6 months I've been using FSD.

The problems I've seen are failure to recognize emergency vehicles and school busses, occasional use of the incorrect lanes at intersections,
and being super hesitant at unprotected left turns. All of which are apparently addressed in v14 (I'm at v12)

I don't know if any are also offering to go off afterwards to park or
recharge themselves. Though I suppose that the current autonomous taxis
in some cities must be doing something like that?

The latest version (14.1), which I don't have, apparently does have a 'banish' function, whereby you can cause it to go out and find a
parking spot autonomously. I don't know in what circumstances it can be used, or how well it works.

My car already has a 'summon' function, which allows me to cause the
car to leave parking and come to me, based on the GPS location in my
phone. It works, but its mostly a party trick.

It can't charge itself. Apparently the cybercabs that Tesla has been
showing off can, by parking over an inductive pad.

pt

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Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 7:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid
drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-while-driving-10751844.html

That sucks.

From the description the update adds a new failure mode that can
trigger while driving and the examples I found were all of this type,
it doesn't necessarily mean they updated the infotainment system while
driving.

It's unclear if the car even allows updating while driving, I'd
consider it rather bad design if it does since on a modern car it has connections to pretty much everything.

It sounds like the car recovers enough to go into electric only limp
home mode after a while and/or a few power cycles so not quite
"bricked" but close enough that I won't quibble with the article
writers.

I'm wondering if the dealers can load the old version of the software
via their tool for the affected users, it definitely should be
possible in a sane world but, well, car manufacturer and sanity isn't
always compatible.

Also, Jeep has stopped the deployment but likely should be able to
solve it by offer the working version as an update via OTA but I can
understand why they might want to well, test it a bit first! And it
again assuming sane development practices which may not be the case.

In my Tesla, it does need WiFi connectivity to download an OTA update,
but I could just park near Starbucks or use the hotspot on my phone
if I didn't want to give it the house WiFi.

Links from the article specify that the Jeep U-connect software can be
updated when connected to any "password-protected Wi-Fi network"

Which makes kind of sense, Wifi without password disable most
protections though less so in recent Wifi standards. Yes, the
mechanism should be robust enough to handle actively malicious
networks but I can see why they might be conservative and not allow
completely open networks.

It will download updates autonomously, but it won't apply them
until I tell it to. I typically do so at 11:30 PM (which is the
default time it offers). Takes about 45 minutes.

It's clear from the text that the users got an update prompt and
clicked on "Yes, do it now", and that there's an option to defer the
update. From what Jeep says it's clear the car won't apply the update
until someone local approve it.

So fairly similar situation, undoubtely not identical but close
enough.
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On 10/15/2025 6:52 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 10/15/2025 3:47 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
-a-a-a-a-a https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too.-a Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid >>>>> drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-
while- driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Yeep indeed!

My car is currently downloading an OTA update, but it wont
install it until I give permission, and wouldn't do so while
driving.

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving
the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

I drive a Tesla with "Supervised Full Self driving". Yes, that's
a bit of a contradiction in terms.

I don't have the latest hardware or software. While I absolutely
have to ride herd on it, making sure its not messing up, for 99%
of the time on the road, it does just fine, and *greatly*
reduces driving fatigue. Its gotten noticeably better over the 6
months I've been using FSD.

The problems I've seen are failure to recognize emergency vehicles
and school busses, occasional use of the incorrect lanes at
intersections, and being super hesitant at unprotected left
turns. All of which are apparently addressed in v14 (I'm at v12)

I don't know if any are also offering to go off
afterwards to park or recharge themselves.
Though I suppose that the current autonomous
taxis in some cities must be doing something
like that?

The latest version (14.1), which I don't have, apparently
does have a 'banish' function, whereby you can cause it to
go out and find a parking spot
autonomously. I don't know in what circumstances it can
be used, or how well it works.

My car already has a 'summon' function, which allows me
to cause the car to leave parking and come to me, based
on the GPS location in my phone. It works, but its mostly
a party trick.

It can't charge itself. Apparently the cybercabs that
Tesla has been showing off can, by parking over an
inductive pad.

Self-driving cars such as Waymo taxis have a number of other problems
with things like making U-turns in the middle of blocks, stopping in the middle of the street for people to get out and such. Enough so that new
laws are being debated about how to ticket the owners of them for
traffic violations.
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On 10/16/2025 10:34 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 10/15/2025 6:52 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 10/15/2025 3:47 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
-a-a-a-a-a https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14 >>>>>>>
Cars and trucks are updating now too.-a Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps rCo while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid >>>>>> drives in the USA to fail rCo some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-
while- driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Yeep indeed!

My car is currently downloading an OTA update, but it wont
install it until I give permission, and wouldn't do so while
driving.

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving >>>> the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

I drive a Tesla with "Supervised Full Self driving". Yes, that's
a bit of a contradiction in terms.

I don't have the latest hardware or software. While I absolutely
have to ride herd on it, making sure its not messing up, for 99%
of the time on the road, it does just fine, and *greatly*
reduces driving fatigue. Its gotten noticeably better over the 6
months I've been using FSD.

The problems I've seen are failure to recognize emergency vehicles
and school busses, occasional use of the incorrect lanes at
intersections, and being super hesitant at unprotected left
turns. All of which are apparently addressed in v14 (I'm at v12)

I don't know if any are also offering to go off
afterwards to park or recharge themselves.
Though I suppose that the current autonomous
taxis in some cities must be doing something
like that?

The latest version (14.1), which I don't have, apparently
does have a 'banish' function, whereby you can cause it to
go out and find a parking spot
autonomously. I don't know in what circumstances it can
be used, or how well it works.

My car already has a 'summon' function, which allows me
to cause the car to leave parking and come to me, based
on the GPS location in my phone. It works, but its mostly
a party trick.

It can't charge itself. Apparently the cybercabs that
Tesla has been showing off can, by parking over an
inductive pad.

Self-driving cars such as Waymo taxis have a number of other problems
with things like making U-turns in the middle of blocks, stopping in the middle of the street for people to get out and such.-a Enough so that new laws are being debated about how to ticket the owners of them for
traffic violations.

Yes, and the Tesla Cybercab trials in Austin also have problems.

But both are improving as time goes by. My car installed an OTA
update just last night.

Do you think these are insoluble problems?

pt

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On 10/16/2025 1:22 AM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-10-16 01:52:22 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:

On 10/15/2025 3:47 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:20:05 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2025 6:20 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-10-14, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Pearls Before Swine: Cell Phone Updates
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/10/14

Cars and trucks are updating now too.|e-a Very annoying.

"OTA software update bricks Jeeps |ore4rCL while driving

A software update for the telemetry unit has caused Jeeps with hybrid >>>>>> drives in the USA to fail |ore4rCL some on the highway."

https://www.heise.de/en/news/OTA-software-update-bricks-Jeeps-
while- driving-10751844.html

Yeep !

Yeep indeed!

My car is currently downloading an OTA update, but it wont
install it until I give permission, and wouldn't do so while
driving.

I haven't owned a car since 1982, and that was what was then West
Germany.

I haven't driven a vehicle since 1983, when I moved home after leaving >>>> the Army.

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

Mainly because everything his companies build *is* bad and
unsurprisingly never match the lunatic Muskrat's claims.

Really? Starlink isn't hooking up people to the Internet all over the
world?

SpaceX isn't providing the cheapest space launches, and is so popular
it is now the miles-ahead launch provider in the world, with more than
half of total launches worldwide?

Tesla cars don't continue to rack up awards?

I'll grant you X/Twitter, which he turned into a cesspool.

Your hatred of Musk's (absolutely atrocious) politics have clearly
clouded your judgement. I hate his politics too.

When I bought my car in 2019, Greta Thunberg was driving one, and
Musk was the darling of climate change activists. It remains the
best car I've ever owned, and actually improves with time.

Though Musk took a huge face/heel turn, the car didn't.

I drive a Tesla with "Supervised Full Self driving". Yes, that's
a bit of a contradiction in terms.

I don't have the latest hardware or software. While I absolutely
have to ride herd on it, making sure its not messing up, for 99%
of the time on the road, it does just fine, and *greatly*
reduces driving fatigue.

Not if you using it properly it won't, since you *meant* to be paying
just as much attention as if you're driving ... you may as well just
drive it yourself anyway. A pointless waste of an extra NZ$11,000 to
have the idiocy included.

I'm actually paying $99 USD/month for FSD. Full purchase would be
8k.

You are speaking with zero experience, while I know what I'm talking
about from personal experience.

Yes, I have to pay attention, but constantly having to adjust
speed and steering are a cognitive load as well as
paying attention for upcoming trouble.

Even when I had 'Autopilot', which only manages speed and
lane-keeping, but not navigation and intersections, I
arrived at the end of a long drive much less tired then
when driving manually.

It continues to improve. I only hope Musk does, too.

pt




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On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 20:47:20 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

On 15/10/2025 17:16, Paul S Person wrote:

<snippo: bad vehicular update behavior>

This sort of thing does /not/ inspire me to resume driving. No matter
how weird the alternatives get.

A car that does the driving for you?

Not if it spends any time at all updating itself while in traffic and
having no control at all over the vehicle during that time.

I don't know if any are also offering to go off
afterwards to park or recharge themselves.
Though I suppose that the current autonomous
taxis in some cities must be doing something
like that?

Taxis I don't know about. The electic bikes/scooters are, AFAIK,
serviced by trucks that drive about and service them (or maybe haul
them to a central point for servicing, leaving serviced ones behind in
their place).
Taxis, however, /could/ do that. The problem is, what happens when
they do this in the middle of a paying trip? Does the passenger have
to divert to the depot and wait for the charging to finish?

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles
run on in the future Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" -
they could be powered from the road - but with
a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until
a series of catasrophes reduces the population
cumulatively?), they just live in their vehicle.
And with not enough parking space either - these
are literal mobile homes.

Unless I imagined this. Somebody did.

They may have been called mo-pads?

IIRC, we only see the lower-class living accomodations. People wealthy
enough to afford a vehicle probably have better accomodations.
And the Outland (IIRC) is always ready to receive brave new pioneers.
And eat them.
OTOH, we already have (and have had for some time now) people living
in vehicles. No reason that tradition could not continue into the
future.
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:26:16 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
<snippo, self-driving vehicles>

There have been news stories about idiotic self-driving cars /
robo-taxis that have caused issues. There was one were lots of them all >seemed to congregate in a particular street, often honking their horns,
etc. which annoyed the people living there.

This is a phenomenon mention in the film /I, Robot/: the tendency to congregate.
I see it most weeks at the laundromat: the wheeled clothes baskets
tend to end up in the same area. Sometimes there are little ones among
the big ones, looking a lot like a family. But of course they are not. Personally, I've always felt that a 3" mortar was the obvious solution
to such problems, whether from vehicle or house. But that's just me.

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles run on in the future
Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" - they could be powered from the road - but
with a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until a series of
catasrophes reduces the population cumulatively?), they just live in
their vehicle. And with not enough parking space either - these are
literal mobile homes.

<snippo pun>

There are trials in various countries of electric cars that are
continuously charged driving along the road, but such a scheme would be >hideously expensive and distruptive while roads are dug up to bury the >cables and charging pads, so is unlikely to every happen except in
small specific areas.

Another option being trialled is wireless charging pads in parking spots.

Our city is installing charging stations along some streets. But I
don't think there is any "wireless" about it.
As you note rather hysterically below, this is stressing the
electrical grid. The server farms and "AI" chatbots aren't helping any
either.
One interesting factoid is that studies have apparently shown that
grazing animals (sheep, cows) actually do better grazing around
power-producing windmills. Which means the landowners can lease the
land twice: once for the windmills, and once for the grazing. Well,
maybe.

The reality is that the silly greeny push towards electric cars creates
far more peoroblems than they "solve", and don't even solve the ones
claimed anyway.

Careful: your ideology is showing. And that kills worthwhile
discussion.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 11:45:42 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren
<tl@none.invalid> wrote:
<snippo above and below; topic is Jeeps turned into bricks by a
software update>

I'm wondering if the dealers can load the old version of the software
via their tool for the affected users, it definitely should be
possible in a sane world but, well, car manufacturer and sanity isn't
always compatible.

It occurs to me that cars, unlike (say) some BD Players, may have
enough buttons to replicate an old DVD trick:
When it becomes a brick, press three buttons unlikely to ever be
pressed together (say, "back one chapter", "eject", and "x2") and it
resets to the original factory default. And so is no longer a brick,
although all customization and updates are lost.
This dodge was, apparently, at first something Customer Support
revealed only when necessary, whereupon the combinations were, of
course, soon known everywhere. IIRC, my last DVD actually had it's
reset combo printed in the manual.
Maybe Jeeps (and other vehicles) need the same thing. The key, again,
is to pick three buttons that are very unlikely to be pressed at the
same time in normal operation.
This doesn't work with some BD players because some players only have
two buttons: On/Off and Tray Open/Close. And opening the tray turns
the BD player on, while turning the BD player off closes the tray, so
they are linked anyway.
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Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On 10/16/25 09:25, Paul S Person wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:26:16 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

<snippo, self-driving vehicles>

There have been news stories about idiotic self-driving cars /
robo-taxis that have caused issues. There was one were lots of them all
seemed to congregate in a particular street, often honking their horns,
etc. which annoyed the people living there.

This is a phenomenon mention in the film /I, Robot/: the tendency to congregate.

I see it most weeks at the laundromat: the wheeled clothes baskets
tend to end up in the same area. Sometimes there are little ones among
the big ones, looking a lot like a family. But of course they are not.

Personally, I've always felt that a 3" mortar was the obvious solution
to such problems, whether from vehicle or house. But that's just me.

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles run on in the future
Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" - they could be powered from the road - but
with a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until a series of
catasrophes reduces the population cumulatively?), they just live in
their vehicle. And with not enough parking space either - these are
literal mobile homes.

<snippo pun>

There are trials in various countries of electric cars that are
continuously charged driving along the road, but such a scheme would be
hideously expensive and distruptive while roads are dug up to bury the
cables and charging pads, so is unlikely to every happen except in
small specific areas.

Another option being trialled is wireless charging pads in parking spots.

Our city is installing charging stations along some streets. But I
don't think there is any "wireless" about it.

As you note rather hysterically below, this is stressing the
electrical grid. The server farms and "AI" chatbots aren't helping any either.

One interesting factoid is that studies have apparently shown that
grazing animals (sheep, cows) actually do better grazing around power-producing windmills. Which means the landowners can lease the
land twice: once for the windmills, and once for the grazing. Well,
maybe.

The reality is that the silly greeny push towards electric cars creates
far more peoroblems than they "solve", and don't even solve the ones
claimed anyway.

Careful: your ideology is showing. And that kills worthwhile
discussion.

Also he should use his spell checker.

As for the electric vehicles they solve a big problem in California
which is the price of the gasoline used in IC vehicles. If widely enough
adopted they may permit a modicum of the civilization we are used to
to continue for some time before the rise in Global Temperatures make
continuing to waste oxygen on IC engines clearly dangerous.

bliss
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Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

But both are improving as time goes by. My car installed an OTA
update just last night.

Do you think these are insoluble problems?

I think there are insoluble problems with self-driving.

1. Human drivers are lousy.

2. Self-driving cars have to share the road with human drivers

3. Human drivers will always blame self-driving cars in an accident; that
is the standard for driving quality is much higher for the self-driving
car than for a human being.

--scott
--
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On 10/16/2025 11:46 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

On 10/16/25 09:25, Paul S Person wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 10:26:16 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

<snippo, self-driving vehicles>

There have been news stories about idiotic self-driving cars /
robo-taxis that have caused issues. There was one were lots of them all
seemed to congregate in a particular street, often honking their horns,
etc. which annoyed the people living there.

This is a phenomenon mention in the film /I, Robot/: the tendency to
congregate.

I see it most weeks at the laundromat: the wheeled clothes baskets
tend to end up in the same area. Sometimes there are little ones among
the big ones, looking a lot like a family. But of course they are not.

Personally, I've always felt that a 3" mortar was the obvious solution
to such problems, whether from vehicle or house. But that's just me.

Then again, I couldn't find out what vehicles run on in the future
Mega-City of "Judge Dredd" - they could be powered from the road - but >>>> with a shortage of apartments (at least perhaps until a series of
catasrophes reduces the population cumulatively?), they just live in
their vehicle. And with not enough parking space either - these are
literal mobile homes.

<snippo pun>

There are trials in various countries of electric cars that are
continuously charged driving along the road, but such a scheme would be
hideously expensive and distruptive while roads are dug up to bury the
cables and charging pads, so is unlikely to every happen except in
small specific areas.

Another option being trialled is wireless charging pads in parking
spots.

Our city is installing charging stations along some streets. But I
don't think there is any "wireless" about it.

As you note rather hysterically below, this is stressing the
electrical grid. The server farms and "AI" chatbots aren't helping any
either.

One interesting factoid is that studies have apparently shown that
grazing animals (sheep, cows) actually do better grazing around
power-producing windmills. Which means the landowners can lease the
land twice: once for the windmills, and once for the grazing. Well,
maybe.

The reality is that the silly greeny push towards electric cars creates
far more peoroblems than they "solve", and don't even solve the ones
claimed anyway.

Careful: your ideology is showing. And that kills worthwhile
discussion.

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Also he should use his spell checker.

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a As for the electric vehicles they solve a big problem in California
-awhich is the price of the gasoline used in IC vehicles.-a If widely enough
-a adopted they may permit a modicum of the civilization we are used to
-a to continue for some time before the rise in Global Temperatures make
-a continuing to waste oxygen on IC engines clearly dangerous.

-a-a-a-abliss

We are all going to die.

Lynn

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On 10/16/2025 12:22 AM, Your Name wrote:
...

I don't know why people are so skeptical that it will be possible.
I realize Musk isn't popular, but assuming everything his companies
build are bad as a result, is just silly.

Mainly because everything his companies build *is* bad and
unsurprisingly never match the lunatic Muskrat's claims.

...

Wow, you have zero credibility with your delusions about Musk. Makes me wonder about anything else that you say.

Lynn

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On 10/16/2025 2:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

We are all going to die.

You are Senator Joni Ernst, and I claim my -u5.
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