• How Will Democrats Respond To The Zohran?

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Wed Nov 5 05:42:34 2025
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    Is MamdanirCOs victory the basis for a strategy the Democrats can adopt
    as a party? Opinion seems divided <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/mamdanis-mayoral-election-lead-has-withstood-republicans-establishment-democrats-and-wall-street/GULKPJ3FBJAENJIVGSC3RVJZXY/>:

    Aspects of MamdanirCOs campaign that some thought would doom his
    candidacy - his vociferous criticism of IsraelrCOs actions in Gaza,
    his past calls to defund the police and his refusal to flee from
    the political label of socialist - havenrCOt turned off a plurality
    of New York voters, despite a torrent of campaign spending from
    some of the cityrCOs wealthiest residents.

    Instead, the 34-year-old assemblymanrCOs campaign - with its focus
    on core economic concerns combined with an online charm offensive
    and occasional searing barb at his critics - is working well
    enough that some political observers see a model for future
    Democratic candidates and races.

    rCLHis campaign is not really about him,rCY but hammers on the theme
    of lowering the cost of living for average New Yorkers, said
    Amanda Litman, co-founder and president of the non-profit Run for
    Something, which recruits new progressive Democratic candidates.

    rCLHe really clearly answers the question why voters should want him
    to win.rCY

    Yet MamdanirCOs ideas for how to lower the economic burden on
    working-class and middle-class families - including through tax
    hikes on the wealthy and rent freezes - have generated a current
    of fear among other Democratic politicians and operatives.

    They argue that what voters might find appealing in New York wonrCOt
    carry Democrats to victories in the congressional Midterms next
    year or the presidential election in 2028.

    To somebody who lives in a multiparty democracy, the idea that there
    should be any doubt about adopting a winning strategy to win again
    just seems bizarre. But then, the USA isnrCOt a multiparty democracy, is
    it? ItrCOs two broad coalitions, each a hodgepodge of factions with
    ill-defined agendas, and the main aim of each is not so much to
    benefit the people, as to take power from the other.

    We take it for granted, in a democracy, that the good of the country
    should come before your allegiance to any particular political party;
    but in the USA that is seen by many as crazy talk.
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  • From CrudeSausage@crude@sausa.ge to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Wed Nov 5 08:40:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On 05/11/2025 00:42, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Is MamdanirCOs victory the basis for a strategy the Democrats can adopt
    as a party? Opinion seems divided <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/mamdanis-mayoral-election-lead-has-withstood-republicans-establishment-democrats-and-wall-street/GULKPJ3FBJAENJIVGSC3RVJZXY/>:

    Aspects of MamdanirCOs campaign that some thought would doom his
    candidacy - his vociferous criticism of IsraelrCOs actions in Gaza,
    his past calls to defund the police and his refusal to flee from
    the political label of socialist - havenrCOt turned off a plurality
    of New York voters, despite a torrent of campaign spending from
    some of the cityrCOs wealthiest residents.

    Instead, the 34-year-old assemblymanrCOs campaign - with its focus
    on core economic concerns combined with an online charm offensive
    and occasional searing barb at his critics - is working well
    enough that some political observers see a model for future
    Democratic candidates and races.

    rCLHis campaign is not really about him,rCY but hammers on the theme
    of lowering the cost of living for average New Yorkers, said
    Amanda Litman, co-founder and president of the non-profit Run for
    Something, which recruits new progressive Democratic candidates.

    rCLHe really clearly answers the question why voters should want him
    to win.rCY

    Yet MamdanirCOs ideas for how to lower the economic burden on
    working-class and middle-class families - including through tax
    hikes on the wealthy and rent freezes - have generated a current
    of fear among other Democratic politicians and operatives.

    They argue that what voters might find appealing in New York wonrCOt
    carry Democrats to victories in the congressional Midterms next
    year or the presidential election in 2028.

    To somebody who lives in a multiparty democracy, the idea that there
    should be any doubt about adopting a winning strategy to win again
    just seems bizarre. But then, the USA isnrCOt a multiparty democracy, is
    it? ItrCOs two broad coalitions, each a hodgepodge of factions with ill-defined agendas, and the main aim of each is not so much to
    benefit the people, as to take power from the other.

    We take it for granted, in a democracy, that the good of the country
    should come before your allegiance to any particular political party;
    but in the USA that is seen by many as crazy talk.

    I'll bet this bet today, November 5th, 2025, twenty years to the day I
    met my wife: within the next twenty years, New York will be like London
    and be in the midst of a civil war with camps divided by skin colour and religion. It was nice while it lasted, but it's over now. New York has
    fallen.
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    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6
    EndeavourOS backer
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 07:11:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he
    is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs actually popular with the voters.
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  • From Mekeor Melire@mekeor@posteo.de to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 08:42:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    2025-11-06 07:11 ldo@nz.invalid:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack
    Obama was falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a
    Muslim, and being a Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly
    and unapologetically admits he is.

    Interesting observation.

    I wonder if this strategy would have success in other parts of the
    world too. In Germany, there is the rCysocial-democrat partyrCO (SPD)
    but they don't claim to be rCysocialistsrCO. rCySocialismrCO is still
    something that only the radical leftists claim for themselves, as
    far as I can tell, while most people fear socialism, like
    communism.

    I suspect in East-Europe it's similar. The UdSSR left a bad image
    on socialism, whereas few people see that there are less
    authoritarian approaches to it than what the UdSSR did.
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  • From CrudeSausage@crude@sausa.ge to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 09:00:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On 11/6/25 2:11 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put voters off;

    Obama was responsible for the racial/sexual/religious division we are
    seeing today. If anything, the right should have pressed harder in
    warning people about the monster Barack Obama turned out to be. Obama
    was also responsible for getting rid of the Smith-Mundt Act which
    prevented press agencies from freely lying to the public. That caused
    many agencies to omit details or purposefully interpret events
    erroneously to push an agenda.

    with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs
    actually popular with the voters.

    Who was the conservative alternative being offered to New York voters?

    I'm making this prediction today once again: within ten years, New York
    will be no different than London is with muhammedans freely intimidating
    or attacking the public without any hope of protection.
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    John 14:6
    EndeavourOS backer
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 14:10:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:11:40rC>AM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10ehhnc$uu6u$2@dont-email.me>:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs actually popular with the voters.

    The issue with Obama was they accused him of being things he was not, but
    would not matter if he was.

    We have MANY people who are religious in government. So Mamdani is. OK. So what? Welcome to America where you have freedom of religion. And being a "socialist", what policies of his are controversial? Wanting what pretty much every other "modern" nation has and ensuring we all have reasonably good
    health care? Wanting the ultra-rich to pay their fair share... as they did in the past and when the middle class was stronger? Wanting better education? Wanting a better economy for all? Wanting affordable housing? Wanting us to listen to evidence on climate change and base policies on the science? All of these are very popular positions.
    --
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  • From Joel W. Crump@joelcrump@gmail.com to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.politics.trump,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 10:44:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On 11/6/25 2:11 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs actually popular with the voters.


    Mamdani inspires people. Even with another pseudo-Democrat in the race,
    he won convincingly (admittedly, Cuomo had baggage beyond most). I
    think people will be happy with this outcome. A younger but very bright person can bring something new, to NYC's local politics. I see in him a genuine rising star, like AOC who I believe will run for president and
    win, next time.
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  • From Joel W. Crump@joelcrump@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 10:50:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On 11/6/25 9:10 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:11:40rC>AM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10ehhnc$uu6u$2@dont-email.me>:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was
    falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he >> is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put >> voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs
    actually popular with the voters.

    The issue with Obama was they accused him of being things he was not, but would not matter if he was.

    We have MANY people who are religious in government. So Mamdani is. OK. So what? Welcome to America where you have freedom of religion. And being a "socialist", what policies of his are controversial? Wanting what pretty much every other "modern" nation has and ensuring we all have reasonably good health care? Wanting the ultra-rich to pay their fair share... as they did in the past and when the middle class was stronger? Wanting better education? Wanting a better economy for all? Wanting affordable housing? Wanting us to listen to evidence on climate change and base policies on the science? All of these are very popular positions.


    You must be a *liberal* <gasp>! ;)
    --
    Joel W. Crump
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 15:51:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On Nov 6, 2025 at 8:44:09rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <dn3PQ.266707$RB68.115588@fx39.iad>:

    On 11/6/25 2:11 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was
    falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he >> is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put >> voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs
    actually popular with the voters.


    Mamdani inspires people. Even with another pseudo-Democrat in the race,
    he won convincingly (admittedly, Cuomo had baggage beyond most). I
    think people will be happy with this outcome. A younger but very bright person can bring something new, to NYC's local politics. I see in him a genuine rising star, like AOC who I believe will run for president and
    win, next time.

    There will be problems in NY, and the right wingers will exaggerate them and blame him. They will like about him, as they already are and did with Obama. They will not be able to be honest... because they know their real agenda is not something people want.

    People want what Mamdani is supporting: universal health care, a better
    economy (tons of evidence shows the economy does better under Democrats), taking climate change seriously, affordable housing, measures to reduce crime in a respectful and legal way, backing equal rights for the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
    --
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 15:32:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On Nov 6, 2025 at 7:00:37rC>AM MST, "CrudeSausage" wrote <8S1PQ.1065540$p8E9.314049@fx18.iad>:

    On 11/6/25 2:11 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was
    falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he >> is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put >> voters off;

    Obama was responsible for the racial/sexual/religious division we are
    seeing today.

    How? By being black? THAT is what the right attacked him over. They went so
    far as to say a black man, born in Hawaii, was not a "real American". White supremacists cannot stand that he was president.

    If anything, the right should have pressed harder in
    warning people about the monster Barack Obama turned out to be.

    Yet you have no real issue with Trump: a fascist oligarch pushing echoes of Nazi Germany.

    Obama
    was also responsible for getting rid of the Smith-Mundt Act which
    prevented press agencies from freely lying to the public.

    He allowed the US public to hear it.

    That caused
    many agencies to omit details or purposefully interpret events
    erroneously to push an agenda.

    Notice you have zero examples. Meanwhile you support literal Nazis in the current administration.

    with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs
    actually popular with the voters.

    Who was the conservative alternative being offered to New York voters?

    No conservative will back the people.

    I'm making this prediction today once again: within ten years, New York
    will be no different than London is with muhammedans freely intimidating
    or attacking the public without any hope of protection.

    Notice your open bigotry.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 15:55:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On Nov 6, 2025 at 8:50:18rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <_s3PQ.266709$RB68.112994@fx39.iad>:

    On 11/6/25 9:10 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:11:40rC>AM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
    <10ehhnc$uu6u$2@dont-email.me>:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was
    falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he >>> is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put >>> voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs >>> actually popular with the voters.

    The issue with Obama was they accused him of being things he was not, but
    would not matter if he was.

    We have MANY people who are religious in government. So Mamdani is. OK. So >> what? Welcome to America where you have freedom of religion. And being a
    "socialist", what policies of his are controversial? Wanting what pretty much
    every other "modern" nation has and ensuring we all have reasonably good
    health care? Wanting the ultra-rich to pay their fair share... as they did in
    the past and when the middle class was stronger? Wanting better education? >> Wanting a better economy for all? Wanting affordable housing? Wanting us to >> listen to evidence on climate change and base policies on the science? All of
    these are very popular positions.


    You must be a *liberal* <gasp>! ;)

    I say go with science, other reputable evidence, logic, and focus on the environment and equal rights for ALL.

    Most people say that makes me liberal. OK.

    Seems to me it makes me SENSIBLE!
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  • From Joel W. Crump@joelcrump@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 11:26:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On 11/6/25 10:55 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 8:50:18rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <_s3PQ.266709$RB68.112994@fx39.iad>:
    On 11/6/25 9:10 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:11:40rC>AM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
    <10ehhnc$uu6u$2@dont-email.me>:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was >>>> falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a
    Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he >>>> is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put >>>> voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs >>>> actually popular with the voters.

    The issue with Obama was they accused him of being things he was not, but >>> would not matter if he was.

    We have MANY people who are religious in government. So Mamdani is. OK. So >>> what? Welcome to America where you have freedom of religion. And being a >>> "socialist", what policies of his are controversial? Wanting what pretty much
    every other "modern" nation has and ensuring we all have reasonably good >>> health care? Wanting the ultra-rich to pay their fair share... as they did in
    the past and when the middle class was stronger? Wanting better education? >>> Wanting a better economy for all? Wanting affordable housing? Wanting us to >>> listen to evidence on climate change and base policies on the science? All of
    these are very popular positions.

    You must be a *liberal* <gasp>! ;)

    I say go with science, other reputable evidence, logic, and focus on the environment and equal rights for ALL.

    Most people say that makes me liberal. OK.

    Seems to me it makes me SENSIBLE!


    We fully agree.
    --
    Joel W. Crump
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.politics.trump,comp.os.linux.advocacy,nz.politics on Thu Nov 6 18:26:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    On Nov 6, 2025 at 9:26:40rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <4%3PQ.449168$RrE7.251970@fx45.iad>:

    On 11/6/25 10:55 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 8:50:18rC>AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote
    <_s3PQ.266709$RB68.112994@fx39.iad>:
    On 11/6/25 9:10 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:11:40rC>AM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
    <10ehhnc$uu6u$2@dont-email.me>:

    Interesting comment in another news report: the things Barack Obama was >>>>> falsely accused of -- being a foreigner, being a Muslim, and being a >>>>> Socialist -- Zohran Mamdani freely, proudly and unapologetically admits he
    is.

    The right-wingers were trying to fabricate a bogeyman out of Obama, to put
    voters off; with Mamdani, that bogeyman has not only come to life, herCOs >>>>> actually popular with the voters.

    The issue with Obama was they accused him of being things he was not, but >>>> would not matter if he was.

    We have MANY people who are religious in government. So Mamdani is. OK. So >>>> what? Welcome to America where you have freedom of religion. And being a >>>> "socialist", what policies of his are controversial? Wanting what pretty much
    every other "modern" nation has and ensuring we all have reasonably good >>>> health care? Wanting the ultra-rich to pay their fair share... as they did in
    the past and when the middle class was stronger? Wanting better education? >>>> Wanting a better economy for all? Wanting affordable housing? Wanting us to
    listen to evidence on climate change and base policies on the science? All of
    these are very popular positions.

    You must be a *liberal* <gasp>! ;)

    I say go with science, other reputable evidence, logic, and focus on the
    environment and equal rights for ALL.

    Most people say that makes me liberal. OK.

    Seems to me it makes me SENSIBLE!


    We fully agree.

    It is a shame that basic facts are politicized.
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