• wikipedia

    From Oleg Smirnov@os333@netc.eu to alt.russian.z1,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,soc.culture.russian,nz.politics on Wed Oct 22 17:25:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    <https://archive.is/Sjk8B> unherd.com

    There's one crisis that cannot be messaged away, and that is
    a marked decline in traffic to Wikipedia.org. If sustained,
    this will mark the site's demise .. Human traffic to the site
    had decreased by 8% over the past few months. That is a
    staggering number .. In the span of little more than two
    years, the percentage of survey respondents who use Wikipedia
    to fact-check something dropped from around 55% to less than
    40%. The number of people who use the site to keep themselves
    informed dropped from over 50% to around 35%; those using the
    site to learn about current events went from more than 30% to
    less than 20% ..

    "Encyclosphere" is fracturing. From an idea market dominated
    by a single giant player, new sources of topic-based
    information are emerging online. As Wikipedia continues to
    dig into its "trust" narrative, what it doesn't realise is
    that so much of that trust has already been eroded ..

    ...

    Indeed, the Wikipedia has not passed the test for accuracy and
    neutrality etc, and it's sort of warning sign for those who are
    seeking to promote something 'universal', - it may require much
    higher information/ethical/etc standards as well as much deeper
    detachment from misc passions/beliefs than you can imagine.



    The very idea of Wikipedia implies it shall be internally
    contradictory, by design. In different articles, some event
    or person might be covered with different assessments. There
    also might be notable discrepancies between versions of the
    same article in different languages. Discordance is natural
    when content is created with the participation of various
    and many enthusiasts/activists, whose experiences, cultural
    backgrounds and perspectives differ. Guidelines to cite and
    refer to reputable / neutral sources surely serve to ennoble
    it, but it cannot eliminate discrepancies, because sources
    seeming reputable for some groups of Wikipedia enthusiasts
    may not seem so for other groups. Such an internally
    controversial product nevertheless might have value as sort
    of great exhibition of existing - accepted or suggested -
    facts, beliefs and narratives, and diversity of views and
    stands even contributes to popularity. But, it's definitely
    not fit to be "a judge" in disputes or a fact-checking tool.

    Moreover, the above is written in the idealistic assumption
    that the Wikipedia content is created by honest, sincere and
    selfless enthusiasts. In real life, as soon as something
    enthusiasm-driven becomes popular, there are powers seeking
    to adapt it for serving their particular interest. Wikipedia
    was not an exception. Still, for pretty big number of topics
    it remains to be a useful source of information. However, it
    has become increasingly biased and unreliable, even fiction-
    bearing when it comes to *sensitive topics, somehow related
    to cultist and political indoctrination, to various kinds of
    present and past conflicts.
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  • From dolf@dolfboek@hotmail.com to soc.culture.russian,alt.russian.z1,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,nz.politics on Thu Oct 23 11:53:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.politics

    Wiktionary is my go to linguistic resource and do your statistical decline perceive that COPILOT enquires may access Wikipedia and therefore reduced traffic is not as you speculate.

    <https://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Statement%20of%20Prohibition%2020250926.pdf>

    Oleg Smirnov <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
    <https://archive.is/Sjk8B> unherd.com

    There's one crisis that cannot be messaged away, and that is
    a marked decline in traffic to Wikipedia.org. If sustained,
    this will mark the site's demise .. Human traffic to the site
    had decreased by 8% over the past few months. That is a
    staggering number .. In the span of little more than two
    years, the percentage of survey respondents who use Wikipedia
    to fact-check something dropped from around 55% to less than
    40%. The number of people who use the site to keep themselves
    informed dropped from over 50% to around 35%; those using the
    site to learn about current events went from more than 30% to
    less than 20% ..

    "Encyclosphere" is fracturing. From an idea market dominated
    by a single giant player, new sources of topic-based
    information are emerging online. As Wikipedia continues to
    dig into its "trust" narrative, what it doesn't realise is
    that so much of that trust has already been eroded ..

    ...

    Indeed, the Wikipedia has not passed the test for accuracy and
    neutrality etc, and it's sort of warning sign for those who are
    seeking to promote something 'universal', - it may require much
    higher information/ethical/etc standards as well as much deeper
    detachment from misc passions/beliefs than you can imagine.



    The very idea of Wikipedia implies it shall be internally
    contradictory, by design. In different articles, some event
    or person might be covered with different assessments. There
    also might be notable discrepancies between versions of the
    same article in different languages. Discordance is natural
    when content is created with the participation of various
    and many enthusiasts/activists, whose experiences, cultural
    backgrounds and perspectives differ. Guidelines to cite and
    refer to reputable / neutral sources surely serve to ennoble
    it, but it cannot eliminate discrepancies, because sources
    seeming reputable for some groups of Wikipedia enthusiasts
    may not seem so for other groups. Such an internally
    controversial product nevertheless might have value as sort
    of great exhibition of existing - accepted or suggested -
    facts, beliefs and narratives, and diversity of views and
    stands even contributes to popularity. But, it's definitely
    not fit to be "a judge" in disputes or a fact-checking tool.

    Moreover, the above is written in the idealistic assumption
    that the Wikipedia content is created by honest, sincere and
    selfless enthusiasts. In real life, as soon as something
    enthusiasm-driven becomes popular, there are powers seeking
    to adapt it for serving their particular interest. Wikipedia
    was not an exception. Still, for pretty big number of topics
    it remains to be a useful source of information. However, it
    has become increasingly biased and unreliable, even fiction-
    bearing when it comes to *sensitive topics, somehow related
    to cultist and political indoctrination, to various kinds of
    present and past conflicts.

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