• Yet another round of price increases incoming

    From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Fri Dec 12 15:25:07 2025
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    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will
    expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\



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  • From BR@blah@blah.blah to nz.general on Fri Dec 12 18:07:56 2025
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    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 15:25:07 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:


    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will >expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the >government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    There should be no minimum wage.

    Bill.
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  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to nz.general on Fri Dec 12 06:39:21 2025
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    On 2025-12-12, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\



    Well milk was 4c a bottle back in circa 1967.

    The price of butter seems to have fallen from $10 per 500gm.

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  • From Mutley@mutley2000@hotmail.com to nz.general on Mon Dec 15 08:27:18 2025
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    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will >expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the >government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\


    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Mon Dec 15 10:25:01 2025
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    On 2025-12-14 19:27:18 +0000, Mutley said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will
    expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the
    government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.

    Probably. The much more sensible idea would be to have a *maximum* wage
    cap to stop upper management being paid ecessive amounts and then keep
    prices down ... but of course politicians won't do that because they
    often were and are upper management, plus ever increasing high-end
    wages and price increases gives the government more in income taxes and
    sales taxes. :-\

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  • From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general on Mon Dec 15 06:23:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-14 19:27:18 +0000, Mutley said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will
    expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the
    government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle
    of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.

    Probably. The much more sensible idea would be to have a *maximum* wage
    cap to stop upper management being paid ecessive amounts and then keep >prices down ... but of course politicians won't do that because they
    often were and are upper management, plus ever increasing high-end
    wages and price increases gives the government more in income taxes and >sales taxes. :-\
    Putting a wage cap in place would do two things immediately.
    1. We would lose some talented managers to other countries and there are many of them. That would make us uncompetitive internationally.
    2. It would have virtually no effect at all on prices (ironically it might increase them because of incompetent replacement managers, see 1. above), the percentage of profit that the senior management team costs most companies is tiny, usually much less than 1% of total costs. A small imposition to keep talent.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Tue Dec 16 10:37:01 2025
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    On 2025-12-15 06:23:19 +0000, Tony said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-14 19:27:18 +0000, Mutley said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will
    now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will >>>> expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany
    using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the
    government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle >>>> of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.

    Probably. The much more sensible idea would be to have a *maximum* wage
    cap to stop upper management being paid ecessive amounts and then keep
    prices down ... but of course politicians won't do that because they
    often were and are upper management, plus ever increasing high-end
    wages and price increases gives the government more in income taxes and
    sales taxes. :-\

    Putting a wage cap in place would do two things immediately.
    1. We would lose some talented managers to other countries and there are many of them. That would make us uncompetitive internationally.

    Not if every country did it at the same time. :-)




    2. It would have virtually no effect at all on prices (ironically it might increase them because of incompetent replacement managers, see 1. above), the percentage of profit that the senior management team costs most companies is tiny, usually much less than 1% of total costs. A small imposition to keep talent.

    Most managers have no talent and do little to nothing for the companies
    they supposedly work at. The higher up the management chain you go, the
    more useless they become. Many managers are also simply "business
    heads" who have no understanding about the actual products / services
    the company they run provides - most of the time they're jumping from
    selling cars, to selling food, to selling tech, etc. This complete lack
    of knowledge can and has often caused the company to go bankrupt.

    Two obvious examples at the extreme end are Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
    both of whom get paid millions (if not billions) of dollars by multiple companies and do pretty much no actual *work* for any of them. Plus of
    course all the "fees" they get for being on the management board of
    other companies.

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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Tue Dec 16 11:24:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 10:37:01 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-12-15 06:23:19 +0000, Tony said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-14 19:27:18 +0000, Mutley said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will >>>>> now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will >>>>> expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany >>>>> using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the >>>>> government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle >>>>> of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.

    Probably. The much more sensible idea would be to have a *maximum* wage
    cap to stop upper management being paid ecessive amounts and then keep
    prices down ... but of course politicians won't do that because they
    often were and are upper management, plus ever increasing high-end
    wages and price increases gives the government more in income taxes and
    sales taxes. :-\

    Putting a wage cap in place would do two things immediately.
    1. We would lose some talented managers to other countries and there are many
    of them. That would make us uncompetitive internationally.

    Not if every country did it at the same time. :-)




    2. It would have virtually no effect at all on prices (ironically it might >> increase them because of incompetent replacement managers, see 1. above), the
    percentage of profit that the senior management team costs most companies is >> tiny, usually much less than 1% of total costs. A small imposition to keep >> talent.

    Most managers have no talent and do little to nothing for the companies
    they supposedly work at. The higher up the management chain you go, the
    more useless they become. Many managers are also simply "business
    heads" who have no understanding about the actual products / services
    the company they run provides - most of the time they're jumping from >selling cars, to selling food, to selling tech, etc. This complete lack
    of knowledge can and has often caused the company to go bankrupt.

    Two obvious examples at the extreme end are Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
    both of whom get paid millions (if not billions) of dollars by multiple >companies and do pretty much no actual *work* for any of them. Plus of >course all the "fees" they get for being on the management board of
    other companies.

    Have you done much research about Trump and Musk?

    Trump owns the company he used to work for (Trump Organisation Inc and
    Trump Media & Technology Group). He may be a useless manager but that
    is his right as owner.

    Musk is the single largest shareholder of Tesla (a publicly-owned
    company). He bought into it as an early investor from the original
    founders. He to may be an useless manager but clearly other owners
    think otherwise.
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  • From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general on Tue Dec 16 00:11:58 2025
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    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-15 06:23:19 +0000, Tony said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-14 19:27:18 +0000, Mutley said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    The morons in the government have increased the minimum wage and
    trainee amounts ... which means companies paying those employees will >>>>> now have to raise prices to cover the increase, and everyone else will >>>>> expect a pay rise too, so yet more price increases, and every comany >>>>> using those companies will also have to raise prices. So much for the >>>>> government doing anything about "the cost of living crisis", the
    snowball just continues to grow. We'll soon be paying $60 for a bottle >>>>> of milk and $100 for a block of butter. :-\

    Of course if they didn't do it the left would be crying worker
    poverty. It's a lose lose situation.

    Probably. The much more sensible idea would be to have a *maximum* wage
    cap to stop upper management being paid ecessive amounts and then keep
    prices down ... but of course politicians won't do that because they
    often were and are upper management, plus ever increasing high-end
    wages and price increases gives the government more in income taxes and
    sales taxes. :-\

    Putting a wage cap in place would do two things immediately.
    1. We would lose some talented managers to other countries and there are many
    of them. That would make us uncompetitive internationally.

    Not if every country did it at the same time. :-)
    They won't of course.



    2. It would have virtually no effect at all on prices (ironically it might >> increase them because of incompetent replacement managers, see 1. above), the
    percentage of profit that the senior management team costs most companies is >> tiny, usually much less than 1% of total costs. A small imposition to keep >> talent.

    Most managers have no talent and do little to nothing for the companies
    they supposedly work at.
    If that is your esperience I am sorry that you have had to put up with it. But clearly you are wrong.
    The higher up the management chain you go, the
    more useless they become.
    Even more wrong.
    Many managers are also simply "business
    heads" who have no understanding about the actual products / services
    the company they run provides - most of the time they're jumping from >selling cars, to selling food, to selling tech, etc. This complete lack
    of knowledge can and has often caused the company to go bankrupt.

    Two obvious examples at the extreme end are Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
    both of whom get paid millions (if not billions) of dollars by multiple >companies and do pretty much no actual *work* for any of them. Plus of >course all the "fees" they get for being on the management board of
    other companies.

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  • From wn@wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) to nz.general on Thu Dec 18 03:33:37 2025
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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2025, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    Two obvious examples at the extreme end are Donald Trump and Elon Musk,
    both of whom get paid millions (if not billions) of dollars by multiple >companies and do pretty much no actual *work* for any of them.

    You cannot seriously be making that point. Both founded and invested
    their lives into their companies. Musk, the world's richest man,
    still sleeps under the desks of his multiple offices because his time
    is too valuable to commute. Sheesh...

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