• Good journalism still alive and well...

    From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general,nz.politics on Sun Nov 30 19:42:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism and
    some timely honesty.
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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Mon Dec 1 09:11:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:42:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism and
    some timely honesty.

    The issue with RNZ is real as all taxpayers are paying for the
    ownership and operation of that organisation. With respect to
    'newspapers', the shareholders are best suited to judge what is
    commercially viable. I would also point out that what du Fresne
    refers to as the 'elite' is not what he thinks. The checkout operator
    and bus drivers of today visit the establishments and read about the
    content he alleges as elitist.

    Today's young people live far differently to how we older folks did
    when we were their age. We older folks may also have quite different viewpoints on what constitutes good journalism.
    --
    Crash McBash
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  • From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general on Sun Nov 30 21:37:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:42:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism >>and
    some timely honesty.

    The issue with RNZ is real as all taxpayers are paying for the
    ownership and operation of that organisation. With respect to
    'newspapers', the shareholders are best suited to judge what is
    commercially viable. I would also point out that what du Fresne
    refers to as the 'elite' is not what he thinks. The checkout operator
    and bus drivers of today visit the establishments and read about the
    content he alleges as elitist.

    Today's young people live far differently to how we older folks did
    when we were their age. We older folks may also have quite different >viewpoints on what constitutes good journalism.

    Indeed we do. My concern is the many daily examples of so-called journalists being the news instead of reporting or questioning it. ie they allow their own opinions to lead their articles.

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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Mon Dec 1 13:16:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 21:37:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:42:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism >>>and
    some timely honesty.

    The issue with RNZ is real as all taxpayers are paying for the
    ownership and operation of that organisation. With respect to >>'newspapers', the shareholders are best suited to judge what is >>commercially viable. I would also point out that what du Fresne
    refers to as the 'elite' is not what he thinks. The checkout operator
    and bus drivers of today visit the establishments and read about the >>content he alleges as elitist.

    Today's young people live far differently to how we older folks did
    when we were their age. We older folks may also have quite different >>viewpoints on what constitutes good journalism.

    Indeed we do. My concern is the many daily examples of so-called journalists >being the news instead of reporting or questioning it. ie they allow their own
    opinions to lead their articles.

    We had very limited choices on news outlets - usually 1 newspaper, 2
    TV news broadcasts and the predecessor to RNZ. Today we have a much
    broader choice and we can use Google to discover the political bent of
    any journalist.

    Yes journalists are more opinionated than in the past but this is
    offset by the myriad of choice to read or ignore any of them. Overall
    we are better off now because of wider choices we can make.
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    Crash McBash
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  • From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general on Mon Dec 1 02:41:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 21:37:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:42:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism
    and
    some timely honesty.

    The issue with RNZ is real as all taxpayers are paying for the
    ownership and operation of that organisation. With respect to >>>'newspapers', the shareholders are best suited to judge what is >>>commercially viable. I would also point out that what du Fresne
    refers to as the 'elite' is not what he thinks. The checkout operator >>>and bus drivers of today visit the establishments and read about the >>>content he alleges as elitist.

    Today's young people live far differently to how we older folks did
    when we were their age. We older folks may also have quite different >>>viewpoints on what constitutes good journalism.

    Indeed we do. My concern is the many daily examples of so-called journalists >>being the news instead of reporting or questioning it. ie they allow their >>own
    opinions to lead their articles.

    We had very limited choices on news outlets - usually 1 newspaper, 2
    TV news broadcasts and the predecessor to RNZ. Today we have a much
    broader choice and we can use Google to discover the political bent of
    any journalist.

    Yes journalists are more opinionated than in the past but this is
    offset by the myriad of choice to read or ignore any of them. Overall
    we are better off now because of wider choices we can make.

    That is true. Unfortunately not all people are like you and me. Many, perhaps most, rely on the MSM. And that is where the bad journalism is.

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  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to nz.general on Mon Dec 1 03:49:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: nz.general

    On 2025-11-30, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:42:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    But rare nowadays.
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
    A long article but worth reading if you enjoy good English, real journalism >>>and
    some timely honesty.

    The issue with RNZ is real as all taxpayers are paying for the
    ownership and operation of that organisation. With respect to >>'newspapers', the shareholders are best suited to judge what is >>commercially viable. I would also point out that what du Fresne
    refers to as the 'elite' is not what he thinks. The checkout operator
    and bus drivers of today visit the establishments and read about the >>content he alleges as elitist.

    Today's young people live far differently to how we older folks did
    when we were their age. We older folks may also have quite different >>viewpoints on what constitutes good journalism.

    Indeed we do. My concern is the many daily examples of so-called journalists being the news instead of reporting or questioning it. ie they allow their own
    opinions to lead their articles.

    Journalists should report the transparent news and follow any leads until
    the truth is exposed. What we have now is tribal journalism. They have
    become PR folks for the tribes. Muddy waters result.

    Both sides should be given an opptunity to explain their side fully.
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