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On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 19:55:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/11/24/tribalism-in-new-zealand-threatens-many-decades-of-hard-won-democracy/

"When government agencies treat people differently depending on their
lineage, that is tribalism.
When public authority is delegated to bodies representing only one
ancestry group, that is tribalism.
When billions of dollars flow through frameworks that put group
identity above individual need, that is tribalism."

All of these things, though, have happened since the Treaty of
Waitangi was first signed - first in favour of the colonisers, then in
favour of the victims of colonialism.

Early colonial rule clearly and deliberately disadvantaged Maori with
land confiscation and little effort to ensure Maori got equal rights
to the settlers. The 'little' effort that was made was via the
various missionary groups.

The pendulum has indeed swung the other way. I would argue that those
of us who can assert they are descended from pre-colonial Maori are
now no longer disadvantaged. They are able to keep traditions alive
while being assimilated into a society built on British foundations.

So yes - the Maori seats are no longer needed because those of Maori
descent have equal access to democracy and are already
well-represented at all levels of Government.

"When policy is shaped by who holds leverage rather than what benefits
the entire country, democracy is no longer in full control."

Agreed - but in NZ democracy has never been in full control for all of
us.
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On 2025-11-24, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 19:55:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/11/24/tribalism-in-new-zealand-threatens-many-decades-of-hard-won-democracy/

"When government agencies treat people differently depending on their lineage, that is tribalism.
When public authority is delegated to bodies representing only one
ancestry group, that is tribalism.
When billions of dollars flow through frameworks that put group
identity above individual need, that is tribalism."

All of these things, though, have happened since the Treaty of
Waitangi was first signed - first in favour of the colonisers, then in
favour of the victims of colonialism.

Early colonial rule clearly and deliberately disadvantaged Maori with
land confiscation and little effort to ensure Maori got equal rights
to the settlers. The 'little' effort that was made was via the
various missionary groups.

Which is history. We need to agree that there a history of NZ and some of it
is in pretty poor taste by to-days standards. However we need to move on.

The pendulum has indeed swung the other way. I would argue that those
of us who can assert they are descended from pre-colonial Maori are
now no longer disadvantaged. They are able to keep traditions alive
while being assimilated into a society built on British foundations.

So yes - the Maori seats are no longer needed because those of Maori
descent have equal access to democracy and are already
well-represented at all levels of Government.

"When policy is shaped by who holds leverage rather than what benefits
the entire country, democracy is no longer in full control."

Agreed - but in NZ democracy has never been in full control for all of
us.

It could be argued that democracy is never in full control. It is fragile as democray is based on the rules which allow work and survive. It is up to the majority of the people to make it very clear that they will not stand for
the rules of Demoracy to be broken.


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On 2025-11-24 03:14:19 +0000, Crash said:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 19:55:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/11/24/tribalism-in-new-zealand-threatens-many-decades-of-hard-won-democracy/

"When government agencies treat people differently depending on their lineage, that is tribalism.
When public authority is delegated to bodies representing only one
ancestry group, that is tribalism.
When billions of dollars flow through frameworks that put group
identity above individual need, that is tribalism."

All of these things, though, have happened since the Treaty of
Waitangi was first signed - first in favour of the colonisers, then in
favour of the victims of colonialism.

In either case it's called "racism", but the Politically Correct morons
and whiners simply don't understand that when it's them who are
benefiting.

Early colonial rule clearly and deliberately disadvantaged Maori with
land confiscation and little effort to ensure Maori got equal rights
to the settlers. The 'little' effort that was made was via the
various missionary groups.

The pendulum has indeed swung the other way. I would argue that those
of us who can assert they are descended from pre-colonial Maori are
now no longer disadvantaged. They are able to keep traditions alive
while being assimilated into a society built on British foundations.

So yes - the Maori seats are no longer needed because those of Maori
descent have equal access to democracy and are already
well-represented at all levels of Government.

"When policy is shaped by who holds leverage rather than what benefits
the entire country, democracy is no longer in full control."

Agreed - but in NZ democracy has never been in full control for all of
us.

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Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 19:55:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

https://waikanaewatch.org/2025/11/24/tribalism-in-new-zealand-threatens-many-decades-of-hard-won-democracy/

"When government agencies treat people differently depending on their >lineage, that is tribalism.
When public authority is delegated to bodies representing only one
ancestry group, that is tribalism.
When billions of dollars flow through frameworks that put group
identity above individual need, that is tribalism."

All of these things, though, have happened since the Treaty of
Waitangi was first signed - first in favour of the colonisers, then in
favour of the victims of colonialism.

Early colonial rule clearly and deliberately disadvantaged Maori with
land confiscation and little effort to ensure Maori got equal rights
to the settlers. The 'little' effort that was made was via the
various missionary groups.

The pendulum has indeed swung the other way. I would argue that those
of us who can assert they are descended from pre-colonial Maori are
now no longer disadvantaged. They are able to keep traditions alive
while being assimilated into a society built on British foundations.

So yes - the Maori seats are no longer needed because those of Maori
descent have equal access to democracy and are already
well-represented at all levels of Government.

"When policy is shaped by who holds leverage rather than what benefits
the entire country, democracy is no longer in full control."

Agreed - but in NZ democracy has never been in full control for all of
us.

Yes that is correct, and we are no way alone in the world.
When the spectre raises, I am entitled to take a shot at it. That is what I did
and I suspect the author felt the same way.

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Crash McBash

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