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Six out of nine of the surviving participants in NatActIrstrCOs Boot
Camp pilot program went on to reoffend <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/final-verdict-on-govts-controversial-bootcamp-pilot-released/WFROAE3QHNEJHMJFPIKXFEYGHM/>.
Yet this still counts as a success of sorts, because the level of
their offending was reduced.

It was still a pretty expensive program, though, at $100,000 per
participant -- about as expensive as putting someone in jail for a
year.

Was it worth it? Should we do more of this?

There are still some who feel that a dose of military-style discipline
would do the youngsters good. What they fail to mention (or perhaps
even to notice) is that the level of criminal offending among
ex-military personnel is higher than in the general population.
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On 2025-11-06 23:05:42 +0000, Lawrence D-|Oliveiro said:

Six out of nine of the surviving participants in NatActIrstrCOs Boot
Camp pilot program went on to reoffend

The radio news today said "7 out of 11". Typical news journalism, don't
bother with the actual facts, just rush out to be "first". :-\

<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/final-verdict-on-govts-controversial-bootcamp-pilot-released/WFROAE3QHNEJHMJFPIKXFEYGHM/>.

Yet this still counts as a success of sorts, because the level of
their offending was reduced.

It was still a pretty expensive program, though, at $100,000 per
participant -- about as expensive as putting someone in jail for a
year.

Was it worth it? Should we do more of this?

No and No.

Typical Politically Correct stupidity. Most of them purposely chose to
be a crimainal scumbag, so they should take the consequences of being
put in jail ... and a real jail, not a holiday camp with underfloor
heating, widescreen TVs, etc.

There are still some who feel that a dose of military-style discipline
would do the youngsters good. What they fail to mention (or perhaps
even to notice) is that the level of criminal offending among
ex-military personnel is higher than in the general population.

Ex-military, ex-police, etc. are also much better educated in ways to
avoid being caught, so no doubt the real figures for those groups
should be much higher.

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 23:05:42 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Six out of nine of the surviving participants in NatActIrstAs Boot
Camp pilot program went on to reoffend ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/final-verdict-on-govts-controversial-bootcamp-pilot-released/WFROAE3QHNEJHMJFPIKXFEYGHM/>.
Yet this still counts as a success of sorts, because the level of
their offending was reduced.

It was still a pretty expensive program, though, at $100,000 per
participant -- about as expensive as putting someone in jail for a
year.

100 grand per crim? If that's true, it represents some extortionate
ticket clipping.

Was it worth it? Should we do more of this?

Not at that price.

There are still some who feel that a dose of military-style discipline
would do the youngsters good.

I would suggest that for the most part, there is nothing wrong with
these little crooks that a good sound thrashing won't cure.

That wouldn't cost much.

Bill.
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