There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.The entire strike is mischievous, I believe it is politics of a pretty bad kind.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Let them stay on strike.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party. >>
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-saysThe entire strike is mischievous, I believe it is politics of a pretty bad kind.
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Let them stay on strike.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party. >>>
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few >loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the >original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:15:57 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:Incorrect. They would simply not be called Trade Unions. There are
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other >>>>>>>party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all. >>
many who would join the replacement for Trade Unions.
Name anything that disappears because it is banned.
The protests would still happen, organised by the replacement for
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few >>loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the >>original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
Trade Unions.
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:15:57 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
Incorrect. They would simply not be called Trade Unions. There are
many who would join the replacement for Trade Unions.
Name anything that disappears because it is banned.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the
original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
The protests would still happen, organised by the replacement for
Trade Unions.
On 2025-10-24 08:43:09 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:15:57 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time >>>>>> when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year. >>>>>
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay >>>>> rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid. >>>>> Unions should be banned.
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have >>>> a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect >>>> - the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along >>>> with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
Incorrect. They would simply not be called Trade Unions. There are
many who would join the replacement for Trade Unions.
There wouldn't be any "replacement", because that too wouldn't be
legal. It's not banning the term, but banning the entire useless
concept.
Name anything that disappears because it is banned.
Numerous things for people with common sense who obey the law. Those
that don't will get prosecuted (and then let off by a weak-kneed judge).
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have >>>> come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the
original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
The protests would still happen, organised by the replacement for
Trade Unions.
As above - there wouldn't be any replacement.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 10:51:32 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-24 08:43:09 +0000, Crash said:So you are saying that everyone who is a member of a Trade Union will
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:15:57 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time >>>>>>> when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year. >>>>>>
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay >>>>>> rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly >>>>>> stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid. >>>>>> Unions should be banned.
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have >>>>> a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect >>>>> - the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along >>>>> with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
Incorrect. They would simply not be called Trade Unions. There are
many who would join the replacement for Trade Unions.
There wouldn't be any "replacement", because that too wouldn't be
legal. It's not banning the term, but banning the entire useless
concept.
Name anything that disappears because it is banned.
Numerous things for people with common sense who obey the law. Those
that don't will get prosecuted (and then let off by a weak-kneed judge).
simply stop because their Union is banned? Yeah right.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have >>>>> come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the >>>> original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
The protests would still happen, organised by the replacement for
Trade Unions.
As above - there wouldn't be any replacement.
There will always be a replacement. Banning Unions is as pointless as banning alcoholic beverages.
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
On 2025-10-24, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect
- the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along
with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at all.
History shows that banning things things just drive it underground.
also if one has a democratic society, banning groups is not allowed as
there needs to be freedom of association.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have
come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the
original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
Then way have they not thell the Union management that there will not be strike.
On 2025-10-25 01:56:03 +0000, Gordon said:
On 2025-10-24, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have >>>> a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect >>>> - the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along >>>> with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other >>>>>>>>party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time >>>>>> when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year. >>>>>
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay >>>>> rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid. >>>>> Unions should be banned.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at >>>all.
History shows that banning things things just drive it underground.
also if one has a democratic society, banning groups is not allowed as
there needs to be freedom of association.
People are banned from associating with things all the time by the
courts and laws.
Fortunate then that not all management are morons.Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have >>>> come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the
original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
Then way have they not thell the Union management that there will not be
strike.
Because like all management / government morons, they never listen to
the workers / people. :-p
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Let them stay on strike.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party. >>>
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Let them stay on strike.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party. >>
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-25 01:56:03 +0000, Gordon said:Fortunate then that not all management are morons.
On 2025-10-24, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have >>>>> a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect >>>>> - the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along >>>>> with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other >>>>>>>>> party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time >>>>>>> when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year. >>>>>>
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay >>>>>> rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid. >>>>>> Unions should be banned.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at >>>> all.
History shows that banning things things just drive it underground.
also if one has a democratic society, banning groups is not allowed as
there needs to be freedom of association.
People are banned from associating with things all the time by the
courts and laws.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have >>>>> come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except
the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may
include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the >>>> original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
Then way have they not thell the Union management that there will not be >>> strike.
Because like all management / government morons, they never listen to
the workers / people. :-p
A good manager will always listen and treat staff fairly and that will in turn
improve profitability and employee satisfaction. That principle is not rocket science.
We have some of the finest people in management roles in NZ, many are world class.
If you are referring to politicians then I would agree that many of them have poor skills and often do not listen.
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator.
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
You can't ban unions.
That would violate the fundamental human right of freedom of
association.
Bill.
On 2025-10-25 08:39:59 +0000, Tony said:That might be correct for you but not for most people.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-25 01:56:03 +0000, Gordon said:Fortunate then that not all management are morons.
On 2025-10-24, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 23:09:38 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:You seem to be under the mistaken belief that banning Unions will have >>>>>> a detrimental effect on what they do. It can have the opposite effect >>>>>> - the ban delivers free publicity and underdog status to unions, along >>>>>> with the sympathy that the 'oppressed' can get.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other >>>>>>>>>> party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time >>>>>>>> when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year. >>>>>>>
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less >>>>>>> and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay >>>>>>> rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly >>>>>>> stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid. >>>>>>> Unions should be banned.
You missed the point - banning Unions would mean they no longer exist at >>>>> all.
History shows that banning things things just drive it underground.
also if one has a democratic society, banning groups is not allowed as >>>> there needs to be freedom of association.
People are banned from associating with things all the time by the
courts and laws.
Unions have not caused any major problem currently. The protests have >>>>>> come and gone and nothing has been achieved because of them, except >>>>>> the victims of the workers walking off the job. Those victims may >>>>>> include significant numbers of those supporting the Unions.
The "protests" have come because of the useless Unions and a few
loud-mouthed greedy idiots keep pushing buttons.
As I said above, most of the people caught up in idiotic strikes
couldn't give a flying crap and would have been happy with whatever the >>>>> original pay rise was going to be - they just want to do their jobs.
Then way have they not thell the Union management that there will not be >>>> strike.
Because like all management / government morons, they never listen to
the workers / people. :-p
A good manager will always listen and treat staff fairly and that will in >>turn
improve profitability and employee satisfaction. That principle is not rocket
science.
We have some of the finest people in management roles in NZ, many are world >> class.
If you are referring to politicians then I would agree that many of them have
poor skills and often do not listen.
You can count the number of "good managers" on the *fingers* of one
*foot*. :-\
On 2025-10-25 18:11:44 +0000, BR said:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:55:27 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2025-10-23 08:31:42 +0000, Crash said:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 17:32:50 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2025 01:48:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576698/strikers-demands-a-mystery-government-s-top-negotiator-says
There we go folks, its a mystery to the Governments top negotiator. >>>>>>
How any progress be made if your demands are not known to the other party.
Let them stay on strike.
It will save the taxpayers some money.
Its not that simple. The strike will keep schools closed at a time
when students are preparing for the major exams for the school year.
Plus doctors, nurses, fire fighters, police, etc.
The real problem is that most of these people couldn't really care less
and just want to do their job (obviously they'd be happy with any pay
rise). It's the morons in the pointless Unions that are selfishly
stubborn and try to force strikes. It is simply to try to make
themselves look useful and "worth" the waste of money they get paid.
Unions should be banned.
You can't ban unions.
That would violate the fundamental human right of freedom of
association.
Bill.
There is no such thing. If you associate with illegal groups such as >crimainl gangs, terrorists, etc., then you'll find yourself in deep
trouble. Such groups are not technically banned in most places, but
they may as well be. A banned union would be no different.
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