• The pathetic state of NZ politics

    From Tony@lizandtony@orcon.net.nz to nz.general,nz.politics on Mon Sep 29 23:56:35 2025
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    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what?
    Get a life Mr Hipkins.
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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 14:13:04 2025
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    On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what?
    Get a life Mr Hipkins.

    To be fair, if the situation is as reported by Stuff;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360839142/hipkins-read-letter-luxon-after-it-was-made-public

    Then the letter was made public about half an hour after Hipkins
    office got it. How the hell Luxon expected a favourable response to
    allowing offshore oil and gas exploration - the exact opposite of
    Labour's policy going into the 2023 election, baffles me.

    Sending a letter to Hipkins like this seems no more than an amateur
    attempt to snooker Hipkins and Labour. If Luxon was genuine he would
    have waited at least a day for Hipkins to respond before making it
    public. That is what any leader with an gram of political judgment in
    this situation would do. What Luxon did was attempt to snooker
    Hipkins on their past (but not necessarily current) policy.

    No wonder Hipkins thought Luxon was not serious. Luxon is
    demonstrating again his lack of political judgment and my bet is the
    Winston is laughing at him behind his back.

    A Labour/Greens/Maori Party coalition should not be electable. Luxon' stupidity is making them seem more electable.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 16:17:16 2025
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    On 2025-09-30 01:13:04 +0000, Crash said:
    On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what?
    Get a life Mr Hipkins.

    To be fair, if the situation is as reported by Stuff;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360839142/hipkins-read-letter-luxon-after-it-was-made-public


    Then the letter was made public about half an hour after Hipkins
    office got it. How the hell Luxon expected a favourable response to
    allowing offshore oil and gas exploration - the exact opposite of
    Labour's policy going into the 2023 election, baffles me.

    Sending a letter to Hipkins like this seems no more than an amateur
    attempt to snooker Hipkins and Labour. If Luxon was genuine he would
    have waited at least a day for Hipkins to respond before making it
    public. That is what any leader with an gram of political judgment in
    this situation would do. What Luxon did was attempt to snooker
    Hipkins on their past (but not necessarily current) policy.

    No wonder Hipkins thought Luxon was not serious. Luxon is
    demonstrating again his lack of political judgment and my bet is the
    Winston is laughing at him behind his back.

    A Labour/Greens/Maori Party coalition should not be electable. Luxon' stupidity is making them seem more electable.

    Luxon was a useless moron before he was voted in, and he'll be a
    useless moron after he's voted out again. Same with the "Fianance
    Minister" who knows absolutely nothing about finance. :-\



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  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 03:43:08 2025
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    On 2025-09-30, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what?
    Get a life Mr Hipkins.

    To be fair, if the situation is as reported by Stuff;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360839142/hipkins-read-letter-luxon-after-it-was-made-public

    Then the letter was made public about half an hour after Hipkins
    office got it. How the hell Luxon expected a favourable response to
    allowing offshore oil and gas exploration - the exact opposite of
    Labour's policy going into the 2023 election, baffles me.

    Sending a letter to Hipkins like this seems no more than an amateur
    attempt to snooker Hipkins and Labour. If Luxon was genuine he would
    have waited at least a day for Hipkins to respond before making it
    public. That is what any leader with an gram of political judgment in
    this situation would do. What Luxon did was attempt to snooker
    Hipkins on their past (but not necessarily current) policy.

    No wonder Hipkins thought Luxon was not serious. Luxon is
    demonstrating again his lack of political judgment and my bet is the
    Winston is laughing at him behind his back.

    A Labour/Greens/Maori Party coalition should not be electable. Luxon' stupidity is making them seem more electable.


    The idea of the letter was to gain some certainty in a bi-partisan approach
    or not of the the matter of drilling for gas and oil. All the "we will
    change it back again" approach is not going to sit well anywhere.

    The letter would have provided some clarity. The voters could take this into consideration, the mainifestos would be written with this in mind.

    Writing the letter was the right thing to do, but the timing of it is a
    classic blunder. No there will be a great media storm over the letter but
    very little of the contents itself.

    It is a pity because the matter of energy supply and security is something which needs to ne debated.
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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 20:32:51 2025
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    On 30 Sep 2025 03:43:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-09-30, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what? >>>Get a life Mr Hipkins.

    To be fair, if the situation is as reported by Stuff;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360839142/hipkins-read-letter-luxon-after-it-was-made-public

    Then the letter was made public about half an hour after Hipkins
    office got it. How the hell Luxon expected a favourable response to
    allowing offshore oil and gas exploration - the exact opposite of
    Labour's policy going into the 2023 election, baffles me.

    Sending a letter to Hipkins like this seems no more than an amateur
    attempt to snooker Hipkins and Labour. If Luxon was genuine he would
    have waited at least a day for Hipkins to respond before making it
    public. That is what any leader with an gram of political judgment in
    this situation would do. What Luxon did was attempt to snooker
    Hipkins on their past (but not necessarily current) policy.

    No wonder Hipkins thought Luxon was not serious. Luxon is
    demonstrating again his lack of political judgment and my bet is the
    Winston is laughing at him behind his back.

    A Labour/Greens/Maori Party coalition should not be electable. Luxon'
    stupidity is making them seem more electable.


    The idea of the letter was to gain some certainty in a bi-partisan approach >or not of the the matter of drilling for gas and oil. All the "we will
    change it back again" approach is not going to sit well anywhere.

    Given Labour's past policy, the response could be predicted, and there
    has been no indication of change.

    The letter would have provided some clarity. The voters could take this into >consideration, the mainifestos would be written with this in mind.

    Writing the letter was the right thing to do, but the timing of it is a >classic blunder. No there will be a great media storm over the letter but >very little of the contents itself.

    It is a pity because the matter of energy supply and security is something >which needs to ne debated.

    The default position of Labour was made clear by then-PM Ardern. There
    is nothing yet to indicate a reversal of this policy. Labour are
    consistent supporters of banning what they see as threats to the
    environment.
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  • From Crash@nogood@dontbother.invalid to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 20:42:22 2025
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    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:17:16 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-09-30 01:13:04 +0000, Crash said:
    On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    A non-story
    So what - doesn't Hipkins have any staff?
    Does he expect to be waited on by the government.
    And yet he judges the approach from the PM as not being serious, what?
    Get a life Mr Hipkins.

    To be fair, if the situation is as reported by Stuff;

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360839142/hipkins-read-letter-luxon-after-it-was-made-public


    Then the letter was made public about half an hour after Hipkins
    office got it. How the hell Luxon expected a favourable response to
    allowing offshore oil and gas exploration - the exact opposite of
    Labour's policy going into the 2023 election, baffles me.

    Sending a letter to Hipkins like this seems no more than an amateur
    attempt to snooker Hipkins and Labour. If Luxon was genuine he would
    have waited at least a day for Hipkins to respond before making it
    public. That is what any leader with an gram of political judgment in
    this situation would do. What Luxon did was attempt to snooker
    Hipkins on their past (but not necessarily current) policy.

    No wonder Hipkins thought Luxon was not serious. Luxon is
    demonstrating again his lack of political judgment and my bet is the
    Winston is laughing at him behind his back.

    A Labour/Greens/Maori Party coalition should not be electable. Luxon'
    stupidity is making them seem more electable.

    Luxon was a useless moron before he was voted in, and he'll be a
    useless moron after he's voted out again. Same with the "Fianance
    Minister" who knows absolutely nothing about finance. :-\

    I don't share your views. Luxon was good enough to lead National well
    into the election of 2023 despite Hipkins initiating a 'policy
    bonfire' to change Labour's direction in the year prior. In most
    governments we have had, the Finance Minister is there as Deputy PM
    rather than as someone with a Finance background and Willis is no
    different. Name any former Finance Minister professionally qualified
    for this position. Even RD Muldoon, as a Chartered Accountant, does
    not qualify.

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  • From wn@wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) to nz.general on Tue Sep 30 19:41:43 2025
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    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    Luxon was a useless moron before he was voted in, and he'll be a
    useless moron after he's voted out again. Same with the "Fianance
    Minister" who knows absolutely nothing about finance. :-\

    Your evaluations are fair, but ,interestingly, it seems to be a case
    where "useless" is actually useful. The left-wing parties are so
    appalling that anything that keeps them out is useful, even if it is a
    useless thing doing it. Luxon is certainly anodyne. The Stupid Party
    is evolving its stupidity, but the Evil Party remains starkly evil.

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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Wed Oct 1 17:26:54 2025
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    On 2025-09-30 19:41:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    Luxon was a useless moron before he was voted in, and he'll be a
    useless moron after he's voted out again. Same with the "Fianance
    Minister" who knows absolutely nothing about finance. :-\

    Your evaluations are fair, but ,interestingly, it seems to be a case
    where "useless" is actually useful. The left-wing parties are so
    appalling that anything that keeps them out is useful, even if it is a useless thing doing it. Luxon is certainly anodyne. The Stupid Party
    is evolving its stupidity, but the Evil Party remains starkly evil.


    You know the contry is in deep septic tank when the only member of
    parliament who seems to be showing any remote sign of intelligence and
    common sense is Winston Peters. :-\

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to nz.general on Wed Oct 1 05:06:38 2025
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    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 17:26:54 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    You know the contry is in deep septic tank when the only member of parliament who seems to be showing any remote sign of intelligence and common sense is Winston Peters. :-\

    Really?? When was the last time he did that?
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to nz.general on Thu Oct 2 10:16:45 2025
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    On 2025-10-01 05:06:38 +0000, Lawrence D|Oliveiro said:
    On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 17:26:54 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    You know the contry is in deep septic tank when the only member of
    parliament who seems to be showing any remote sign of intelligence and
    common sense is Winston Peters. :-\

    Really?? When was the last time he did that?

    For a start there's the reinstating of English names for the government departments, etc. instead of using Maori names that very few people understand.


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