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I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post
addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward
councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how
unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by
those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue
not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means
suppression of free speech.
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Crash McBash
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From Newsgroup: nz.general

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post
addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward
councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how
unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by
those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue
not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means >suppression of free speech.

--
Crash McBash

We are facing a huge crisis in this country. What you have experienced is now quite common but unacceptable.
Some will find my next remark hard to accept but I believe that freedom of speech is more of an issue than the cost of living. Why? Because, if the tiny minority that have the power to prevent you from expressing yourself have their
way they will next be telling you what to do and think - very soon perhaps. Your other post a few hours ago is related I believe. The Maori party has been hijacked and the extreme anti-New Zealand views they now express do not reflect
the opinions of most Maori folk.
I suspect you live in an area that has a higher than average number of Maori. I
certainly do, and I believe you would agree that most Maori don't want a bar of
this nonsense.
We and they (the real New Zealanders) need to be counted, and this government needs to take the lead because the other lot won't.
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From Newsgroup: nz.general

On 2025-09-16, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post
addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward
councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how
unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by
those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue
not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means suppression of free speech.

This action is trending unfortunately. Some people can not bear to have an alternative view and they must be shut down.

As John Cleese pointed out there are some people who go along to events so
that they can be offended.

NZ is going to have to sort out/work through the Maori related issues in the coming years and who has the most powerful gas light is not the way to go.

People need to be able, to express a view without being attacked.

Thanks for posting Crash, it adds to the evidence of gas lighting.
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Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post
addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward >>councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how
unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by
those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue
not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means >>suppression of free speech.


--
Crash McBash

We are facing a huge crisis in this country. What you have experienced is now >quite common but unacceptable.
Some will find my next remark hard to accept but I believe that freedom of >speech is more of an issue than the cost of living. Why? Because, if the tiny >minority that have the power to prevent you from expressing yourself have their
way they will next be telling you what to do and think - very soon perhaps. >Your other post a few hours ago is related I believe. The Maori party has been
hijacked and the extreme anti-New Zealand views they now express do not reflect
the opinions of most Maori folk.
I suspect you live in an area that has a higher than average number of Maori. I
certainly do, and I believe you would agree that most Maori don't want a bar of
this nonsense.
We and they (the real New Zealanders) need to be counted, and this government >needs to take the lead because the other lot won't.

Well said Tony.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post
addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward >>councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how
unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by
those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue
not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means >>suppression of free speech.


--
Crash McBash

We are facing a huge crisis in this country. What you have experienced is now >quite common but unacceptable.
Some will find my next remark hard to accept but I believe that freedom of >speech is more of an issue than the cost of living. Why? Because, if the tiny >minority that have the power to prevent you from expressing yourself have their
way they will next be telling you what to do and think - very soon perhaps. >Your other post a few hours ago is related I believe. The Maori party has been
hijacked and the extreme anti-New Zealand views they now express do not reflect
the opinions of most Maori folk.
I suspect you live in an area that has a higher than average number of Maori. I
certainly do, and I believe you would agree that most Maori don't want a bar of
this nonsense.

I have to be careful here - I live in a smallish community and some of
what I am about to say is vague as is required to ensure by anonymity
remains intact.

I do live in a district where Maori are reported as being 50% of the population. In my role as a community volunteer I get around the
district and have contact with many rural residents. Maori make up a
large percentage of these visits. The Tino Rangatiratanga flag is
fairly common, so I believe a large percentage of Maori on the ground
here do support the Maori party and actively.

We and they (the real New Zealanders) need to be counted, and this government >needs to take the lead because the other lot won't.

In some parts of the North Island I believe we are close to a
situation where eliminating unacceptable levels of racism (or more
accurately reverse-racism) will result in organised military conflict
beyond the capability of the Police alone.
--
Crash McBash
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Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

I have just posted in a local FB group on the logic behind the
abolition of Maori Wards for my local district council. My post >>>addressed only the general principle of imbalance where Maori Ward >>>councilors can only be voted on by voters on the Maori roll, and how >>>unfair this is when candidates in all other wards can be voted on by >>>those on the general roll, with a number of candidates of Maori
descent elected previously by those on the general roll.

I have been on Facebook since 2008, using this non-de-plume, and have
had my post removed for the first time. As always, I debate the issue >>>not the people involved. We really are getting to the point where
those of us who are attempting to contribute to rational debate are
being barred from doing so.

It seems for some issues, posting an objective viewpoint that avoids
any personal target, is not permitted. So the wrong ideology means >>>suppression of free speech.


--
Crash McBash

We are facing a huge crisis in this country. What you have experienced is now
quite common but unacceptable.
Some will find my next remark hard to accept but I believe that freedom of >>speech is more of an issue than the cost of living. Why? Because, if the tiny
minority that have the power to prevent you from expressing yourself have >>their
way they will next be telling you what to do and think - very soon perhaps. >>Your other post a few hours ago is related I believe. The Maori party has >>been
hijacked and the extreme anti-New Zealand views they now express do not >>reflect
the opinions of most Maori folk.
I suspect you live in an area that has a higher than average number of Maori.
I
certainly do, and I believe you would agree that most Maori don't want a bar >>of
this nonsense.

I have to be careful here - I live in a smallish community and some of
what I am about to say is vague as is required to ensure by anonymity
remains intact.

I do live in a district where Maori are reported as being 50% of the >population. In my role as a community volunteer I get around the
district and have contact with many rural residents. Maori make up a
large percentage of these visits. The Tino Rangatiratanga flag is
fairly common, so I believe a large percentage of Maori on the ground
here do support the Maori party and actively.

We and they (the real New Zealanders) need to be counted, and this government
needs to take the lead because the other lot won't.

In some parts of the North Island I believe we are close to a
situation where eliminating unacceptable levels of racism (or more
accurately reverse-racism) will result in organised military conflict
beyond the capability of the Police alone.

I am also heavily involved in my community volunteering for two charities and one other charitable organisation, we are over 40% Maori mostly wonderful people.
A very similar environment to yours but we are nowehere near each other.

I share your concern about violence, there is enough of a nasty streak that could lead others into conflict. I hope it does not happen but fear it may.
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